I need clarification on one thing...

UglyJoe

There is 1j muzzle energy limit and selling anything above that is concider as firearm. So how it's possible to sell paintball marker which muzzle energy is around 12-14j???? Shouldn't be they concidered as firearm??

extremetaz

UglyJoe wrote: »

There is 1j muzzle energy limit and selling anything above that is concider as firearm. So how it's possible to sell paintball marker which muzzle energy is around 12-14j???? Shouldn't be they concidered as firearm??

yup.

And they are.

Only available with special permission from your local super.

Selling them in the open market is illegal.

UglyJoe

extremetaz wrote: »

yup.

And they are.

Only available with special permission from your local super.

Selling them in the open market is illegal.

So how is that possible? http://d6443546.u131.hosting365.ie/index.php/cPath,1/osCsid,80vbmc41etechrkt512d2k3223

So if you need a special permit to own them what would you need to sell them, Firearm Dealer License?

Tommyboy71

Not tying to fob you off, but this topic would be easier answered in the paintball forum. I would assume though, if you wanted to buy one you would have to supply the dealer with the relevant information.

hitman_

Maybe sale or purchase is not an issue, just possession ???
Interesting site nevertheless.

Stercus Accidit

State of them paintball guns lol.

Seriously though, paintball forum, why would we know the laws regarding paintball?

TheDoc

cause some of us came from paintball?

You require a permit from your local super to own one. You need to forward there details to the paintball retailer your buying from.

Stercus Accidit

TheDoc wrote: »

cause some of us came from paintball?

Pure coincidence, this remains the wrong place to ask.

zero19

Yep this aint the paintball and airsoft forum anymore...Fun days those were

Rew

Moved to paintball forum

BornToKill

UglyJoe wrote: »

what would you need to sell them, Firearm Dealer License?

Yep.

UglyJoe

I was reading information on that web page and there is no mention of Firearm License or any special permitions. So it means that anyone can buy a paintball marker? By selling them do they don't break the Irish Law?

Doc_Savage

hey i know the guy who owns and runs that shop.

you don't need a licence/permit to buy a marker.
You need a licence permit to own and store a marker.

if you are found with a marker and you don't have a licence then it may be confiscated.

in order to get a licence or permit you need a letter from the paintball field you play at to show that you do have a place to play with it.

the guards still don't have a clue about the permits and the entire area is grey with paperwork and probably won't get sorted out till next spring.

hope that confused you enough!


Paintballers are a community and we keep our heads down and try not to allow people into the community before they play for quite a bit. this avoids the monkey with a gun problem that plagues airsoft!

BornToKill

Doc_Savage wrote: »

hey i know the guy who owns and runs that shop.

you don't need a licence/permit to buy a marker.
You need a licence permit to own and store a marker.

if you are found with a marker and you don't have a licence then it may be confiscated.

in order to get a licence or permit you need a letter from the paintball field you play at to show that you do have a place to play with it.

the guards still don't have a clue about the permits and the entire area is grey with paperwork and probably won't get sorted out till next spring.

hope that confused you enough!


Paintballers are a community and we keep our heads down and try not to allow people into the community before they play for quite a bit. this avoids the monkey with a gun problem that plagues airsoft!

If I may make a correction or clarification - there is no grey area here. Under Irish law a paintball marker is defined as a firearm. Full stop - no ifs, ands or buts.

The Firearms Act 1925 sets out that it is illegal to possess a firearm without having a firearms certificate. The penalties are a fine and up to seven years in jail.

You can possess certain firearms (defective, deactivated, etc) without a certificate IF you obtain an authorisation from your garda supintendent. This is how some paintball markers have been held in the past though in reality they should have a firearms certificate same as any other firearm. A firearms certificate lasts three years and costs €80.

You can use a paintball marker without having a firearms cert (often called a gun licence) at a site which a superintendent has authorised.

Airsoft is different in that an airgun with a muzzle energy not exceeding one joule is not classed as a firearm. Between 2006 and 2009 there were no laws pertaining to airsoft 'guns' and some messing happened as a result. The Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009 has brought in laws governing airsoft including making it an offence to possess a realistic imitation firearm in a public place.

BornToKill

This is a relevant extract from guidelines issued by the Garda Commissioner just two weeks ago in relation to firearms licensing. There isn't a great deal about paintball specifically. You can read the document in full for yourself - it's on the website.

Clay pigeon shooting venues and paintball sites are not classified as firing ranges under this section as the section only applies to rifle and pistol target shooting ranges. It should be noted, however, that paintball markers are defined as firearms under the Firearms Acts, and individuals wishing to possess, use and carry these firearms must undergo the same application process as any other applicant for a firearm certificate. These markers will be captured as ‘Other’ on the application form FCA1 under ‘calibre’.

Paintball range owners may, on written authorisation by the local superintendent under S.2(4)d of the 1925 Firearms Act, hold club markers/guns at the paintball range. However, these ranges will not require certification by the Firearms Range Inspector as they are not deemed to be shooting ranges under the new legislation