Farce in Dail Eireann

ynotdu · 16-09-2009 2:07pm #1

I'm trying to watch the coverage of the debate on NAMA on RTE.
the house has now been suspended twice due to a sinn fein TD refusing to do what the chair has asked him. i.e SHUT UP!

surely after he was named he should have been removed from the Dail?

is there no procedure to physicly remove a TD when suspended?????

optocynic · 16-09-2009 2:12pm

ynotdu wrote: »

I'm trying to watch the coverage of the debate on NAMA on RTE.
the house has now been suspended twice due to a sinn fein TD refusing to do what the chair has asked him. i.e SHUT UP!

surely after he was named he should have been removed from the Dail?

is there no procedure to physicly remove a TD when suspended?????

Physically remove a Shinner??.. Are you mad..
He might know where you live!!

ynotdu · 16-09-2009 2:18pm

optocynic wrote: »

Physically remove a Shinner??.. Are you mad..
He might know where you live!!

Lol i'm quivering with fear:),He,s gone now,dont know how.

It really does,nt matter what party though,Jayzus dont they realise how embarresed we feel about them already!:mad:

ynotdu · 16-09-2009 2:29pm

they interrupted coverage to report that a Dublin Bus has crashed into a Luas.

naturally i hope nobody is injured.

is this a sign from god that NAMA is a wreck?!

optocynic · 16-09-2009 2:33pm

ynotdu wrote: »

they interrupted coverage to report that a Dublin Bus has crashed into a Luas.

naturally i hope nobody is injured.

is this a sign from god that NAMA is a wreck?!

Nope... It's a sign from God that Dublin Bus Drivers are not the most reliable blokes around!

thebman · 16-09-2009 2:36pm

I thought the farce was NAMA vote

16-09-2009 2:36pm

optocynic wrote: »

Physically remove a Shinner??.. Are you mad..
He might know where you live!!

Damn you, was just about to make the same point...:D

If they booted him out, would Martin Ferris be there to greet him?

optocynic · 16-09-2009 2:40pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Damn you, was just about to make the same point...:D

If they booted him out, would Martin Ferris be there to greet him?

LOL... in a hiace van.

Yamo2004 · 16-09-2009 2:44pm

A lot of FF back-benchers looking decidedly nervy. I'd say they don't know which way the ball is going to bounce next when all this starts to spin out.

16-09-2009 3:04pm

Yamo2004 wrote: »

A lot of FF back-benchers looking decidedly nervy. I'd say they don't know which way the ball is going to bounce next when all this starts to spin out.

As a member of that party, I suspect the problem is they don't understand it and the look is one of confusion!

thebman · 16-09-2009 3:11pm

lol @ Conor74.

I can't believe how easy it is for the government to bankrupt the country to falsely prop up a collapsing property market

optocynic · 16-09-2009 3:13pm

thebman wrote: »

lol @ Conor74.

I can't believe how easy it is for the government to bankrupt the country to falsely prop up a collapsing property market

Do you really think it will pass?
I honestly have my doubts!

ynotdu · 16-09-2009 3:19pm

optocynic wrote: »

Do you really think it will pass?
I honestly have my doubts!

All opposistion parties opposed the order of buisness,when a vote was taken the Govt majority held steady,early days but the rats have not jumped off the sinking ship for now at least!

Biggins · 16-09-2009 3:20pm

Sadly I suspect the old party line will be followed - and it will pass.

thebman · 16-09-2009 3:23pm

optocynic wrote: »

Do you really think it will pass?
I honestly have my doubts!

I fear the worst but I never was an optimist

Yeah and am watching the RTE debate and as others said

is_that_so · 16-09-2009 3:25pm

optocynic wrote: »

Do you really think it will pass?
I honestly have my doubts!

The Greens announcement last weekend is a fairly clear indicator that they will back it. FF will tow the line and NAMA will become a reality. That said we are a good way from enactment so there should now be far more focus on mitigating the risk and adding any powers to NAMA that will mean that it is given the best possible opportunity to be successful.

thebman · 16-09-2009 3:29pm

I think we need a mass protest of epic proportions to scare the rats into jumping ship.

r0nanf · 16-09-2009 3:29pm

It's like he's reading a history of Atlantis or something...."then it suddenly disappeared"

Similar enough stories I guess:D

ynotdu · 16-09-2009 3:38pm

shocking how empty the seats are on all sides,even as Lenihan speaks:mad:

oh well since they were there earlior they will get their full expense's:mad:

marco murphy · 16-09-2009 3:39pm

They haven't gone away you know

Ostrom · 16-09-2009 3:42pm

Lenihan speaks as if narrating the lord of the rings.

Always sounds like he is spinning some sort of eipc tale of adventure

Biggins · 16-09-2009 3:45pm

ynotdu wrote: »

Shocking how empty the seats are on all sides, even as Lenihan speaks :mad:

Oh well, since they were there earlier they will get their full expense's :mad:

...which is why they DON'T want a clocking in/out system.

ynotdu · 16-09-2009 4:07pm

So the figure is 77BILLION of taxpayers money-less a 30% discount!

well excuse this fool but by my maths 30% of what might be nothing=NOTHING

and hiding behind obamas rhetoric does not change that!

thebman · 16-09-2009 4:09pm

So wrong

Please let it fail to kick off

Liam Byrne · 16-09-2009 4:34pm

ynotdu wrote: »

So the figure is 77BILLION of taxpayers money-less a 30% discount!

well excuse this fool but by my maths 30% of what might be nothing=NOTHING

and hiding behind obamas rhetoric does not change that!

I'm getting sick of this "haircut" bull****; we've paid 7 - 8 billion OVER the value of the loans....that's NOT a "discount".

The banks should have been glad that NAMA was prepared to take their ****-ups off their books, period; no "based on future long-term guesswork is NOT ACCEPTABLE, ye comtemptible shower of Fianna Failure ****! :mad:

The banks ****ed up, and they should be the ones who get themselves out of their own mess; if they'd made a profit, would we have seen part of it ? NO!

Banter Joe · 16-09-2009 4:44pm

Richard Bruton's idea of a National Recovery Bank sounds a lot more convincing than NAMA.

gazzer · 16-09-2009 5:02pm

Joan Burton is giving it socks now. It is an absolute f*cking disgrace that there are hardly any members of the Dail there to listen to the opposition to NAMA. Bunch of theiving scumbags.

Banter Joe · 16-09-2009 5:02pm

I was thinking the exact same thing. She's making some very valid points.

Biggins · 16-09-2009 5:09pm

If they stick to party lines like the Greens did in the vote (and susequent rejection) to support Crumlin Hospital, then NAMA sadly will go through.

FF with the Greens and the Independents will get it passed and thats what it boils down to.

FlutterinBantam · 16-09-2009 5:14pm

thebman wrote: »

I think we need a mass protest of epic proportions to scare the rats into jumping ship.

What in the name of fcuk does that mean???

FlutterinBantam · 16-09-2009 5:15pm

gazzer wrote: »

Joan Burton is giving it socks now. It is an absolute f*cking disgrace that there are hardly any members of the Dail there to listen to the opposition to NAMA. Bunch of theiving scumbags.

Big Hair Burton should shut her cake hole and make her contribution afterwards.

Banter Joe · 16-09-2009 5:20pm

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Big Hair Burton should shut her cake hole and make her contribution afterwards.

This was after the speech when it was her turn to speak.

FlutterinBantam · 16-09-2009 5:28pm

I could hear her whiny Dub accent all though Lenihan's speech especially toward the end, she should have let the guy talk at least and let the people hear.

ynotdu · 16-09-2009 5:28pm

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

What in the name of fcuk does that mean???

Why the agression?Flutter.

He/She meant that people should put pressure on the greens,FF TD's who have lost the whip or given it up(4 of them) and the Independents who are propping up the Govt,that perhaps their supporters should take to the streets to stop their apparent blind loyalty.

The FF whip sure has one hell of a job on his hands.

A Dub in Glasgo · 16-09-2009 5:33pm

Ther farce is FF and the Greens robbing the people blind, not a SF heckler

Biggins · 16-09-2009 5:33pm

ynotdu wrote: »

...He/She meant that people should put pressure on the greens,FF TD's who have lost the whip or given it up(4 of them) and the Independents who are propping up the Govt,that perhaps their supporters should take to the streets to stop their apparent blind loyalty.

The FF whip sure has one hell of a job on his hands.

Not really. Both men (Dr Jimmy Devins and Eamon Scanlon) who recently voiced opposition to FF, that they are in, have admitted that they are Fianna Fail men thru and thru. They will STILL be voting with the government on any issues of importance (or not).

population · 16-09-2009 5:43pm

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

I could hear her whiny Dub accent all though Lenihan's speech especially toward the end, she should have let the guy talk at least and let the people hear.

What the hell has her accent got to do with anything!!!

She was highlighting fcukin theft from me and from you!!!

She can go on a bit, but thank Christ someone is saying something:mad:

FlutterinBantam · 16-09-2009 5:51pm

Of course, but at least let the other person speak and let us make a judgment, instead of trying to act as the knight in shining armor.

ynotdu · 16-09-2009 5:55pm

Hi Biggins wrote a longer reply but boards went crazy on me.(software)

the writing was on the wall when the Govt won the vote by a comfortable majority as to the order of buisness.

resigining the whip is a great way to keep a TD's base happy whilst on the QT also keeping your party happy:)

it is also the most cowardly and cynical way a TD can act!

optocynic · 17-09-2009 8:57am

Liam Byrne wrote: »

I'm getting sick of this "haircut" bull****; we've paid 7 - 8 billion OVER the value of the loans....that's NOT a "discount".

The banks should have been glad that NAMA was prepared to take their ****-ups off their books, period; no "based on future long-term guesswork is NOT ACCEPTABLE, ye comtemptible shower of Fianna Failure ****! :mad:

The banks ****ed up, and they should be the ones who get themselves out of their own mess; if they'd made a profit, would we have seen part of it ? NO!

I fully agree with you... but unfortunatley, letting the banks crash and burn is a far worse option...

ROCK - us - HARD PLACE

optocynic · 17-09-2009 8:58am

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

I could hear her whiny Dub accent all though Lenihan's speech especially toward the end, she should have let the guy talk at least and let the people hear.

Manners are not the forte of the labour party!

Just mouthing!...

Lenihan may be waxing lyrical about his bold scheme, but he is still Minister of Finance.. have some class and let him finish!

optocynic · 17-09-2009 9:00am

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Ther farce is FF and the Greens robbing the people blind, not a SF heckler

A SF heckler is just an ignorant mouth piece looking for attention... like the bold brat down the back of the class..

Lets move on and ignore the fenian quarter wit!!!

ynotdu · 17-09-2009 12:11pm

The leaders statements today about three quaters of the seats were empty.

even though the truth is them being there in person would make very little diffrience what is wrong with the party leaders that they did not order their TD's to do so?We are constantly being told this is proably the most important debate in the history of the state,You would think they would have the cop on even for appearences sake to be in their seats!!!

Still no answer to the original question,Can a TD be removed by physical force?Anybody?

Biggins · 17-09-2009 12:41pm

ynotdu wrote: »

...Still no answer to the original question,Can a TD be removed by physical force?Anybody?

Don't quote me on this but I think by some old law, troops and state forces such as the Gardi are not allowed to enter the actual Dail.
This has to do with an ancient law that forbids such state officials from supposedly hindering a TD from attending the Dail - as such might happen at a time of an attempted coup - and TD subsequently trying to stop/oppose such actions.

One slight off issue example:
This law has been tested - I know personally of one TD who when stopped for being suspected of drink driving, told the Garda that he was on his way to the Dail.
As such they could not arrest him, hinder him or even question him further.
He attended the Dail, stayed there (I'm guessing, in the bar drinking sobering water/coffee) till his system was clear and returned home the next day.

ynotdu · 17-09-2009 12:48pm

Well thank You Biggins!Cheers for that and although you say don.t quote You on that,by instinct i bet You are right about the ancient law and the drunken(allegedly:D)TD.

Biggins · 17-09-2009 12:51pm

Its roughtly the same principle as Caesar when he reached the "Rubicon" (for those that know their Roman history and geography).
Once he/his troops crossed the (river) line, they were technically going against the Roman law of the Senate.

ynotdu · 17-09-2009 1:09pm

Biggins wrote: »

Its roughtly the same principle as Caesar when he reached the "Rubicon" (for those that know their Roman history and geography).
Once he/his troops crossed the (river) line, they were technically going against the Roman law of the Senate.

Well to be honest my Knowledge of Roman history is poor:o

but learning what the phrase 'crossing the Rubicon'is actually based on makes me glad i asked the question in the first place!

Cheers:)

Biggins · 17-09-2009 1:40pm

ynotdu wrote: »

Well to be honest my Knowledge of Roman history is poor:o

but learning what the phrase 'crossing the Rubicon'is actually based on makes me glad i asked the question in the first place!

Cheers:)

All part of the service.

(Its also used as a reference to "crossing a point of no return".)

ynotdu · 17-09-2009 1:48pm

Biggins wrote: »

All part of the service.

(Its also used as a reference to "crossing a point of no return".)

Lol to all part of the service!:)

how appropiate to a thread about NAMA the reference: crossing the point of no return(possibly):D

Biggins · 17-09-2009 1:50pm

"NAMA - The Irish Rubicon"

Farce in Dail Eireann

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