Gross hypocrisy over killing of woman and child in Farrell ' rescue ' ?

DublinDes

The so called daring rescue of journalist Stephen Farrell is been haled as another great daring do mission for the british army with unfortunately a british soldier and an interpreter Sultan Munadi also killed - implicitly by the Taliban. However, as usual, when you do a bit of searching, things are far from been the usual 'heros' saving the world from terrorism stuff.

It turns out according to TIME magazine's website " It is unclear whether Sultan Munadi was shot by his British rescuers or by the Taliban. Locals tell TIME that a woman and child in the house were killed along with a Taliban commander named Baz. " So there you have it folks, a woman and child were killed, maybe it was the rescuers or the Taliban member Baz ( which seems unlikely to me as the woman and child were in the house with him ) - and hardly a word in the news etc about it.

Just suppose that had been a Muslim fanatic killing say, a policeman and a woman and child in a shooting in London or New York ? The headlines and denouncments would have ran for a week or more, but because it's an Arab woman and child, next to nothing :mad:

What's your thoughts ?


http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1921263,00.html?xid=rss-world

Fratton Fred

DublinDes wrote: »

What's your thoughts ?

That Farrel and Munadi are fools for going there in the first place. That the taliban are cowards for hiding behind women and children and that two innocent people and a very brave British Soldier lost their lives in the operation.

If you are looking to blame someone, blame Stephen Farrell for ignoring the advice of the Germans and entering that area in the first place.

BTW, I don't see anyone glorifying this mission.

DublinDes

Fratton Fred wrote: »

That Farrel and Munadi are fools for going there in the first place. That the taliban are cowards for hiding behind women and children and that two innocent people and a very brave British Soldier lost their lives in the operation.

If you are looking to blame someone, blame Stephen Farrell for ignoring the advice of the Germans and entering that area in the first place.

BTW, I don't see anyone glorifying this mission.

So, if the Taliban are hiding out in say, the cellar of a house and the brits coming in guns balzing shooting everyone in sight, that's the Taliban's fault ? Whatever about Farrell been there, he cann't be blamed for shooting the child and woman dead.

As for the very brave British soldier, I'm sure he had the same kind of bravery as the Taliban member.

Rev Hellfire

DublinDes wrote: »

So, if the Taliban are hiding out in say, the cellar of a house and the brits coming in guns balzing shooting everyone in sight, that's the Taliban's fault ?

Of course its the Taliban fault, they're the ones using human shields.

DublinDes wrote: »

Whatever about Farrell been there, he cann't be blamed for shooting the child and woman dead.

True, the blame lies where it should with the taliban who ensured they where placed in harms way.

DublinDes wrote: »

As for the very brave British soldier, I'm sure he had the same kind of bravery as the Taliban member.

The British in Afghanistan are not known for using women and children as shields.

DublinDes

Rev Hellfire wrote: »

Of course its the Taliban fault, they're the ones using human shields.


True, the blame lies where it should with the taliban who ensured they where placed in harms way.


The British in Afghanistan are not known for using women and children as shields.

Well that's great. A woman and child are say, maybe are in teh kitchen, Taliban is in the cellar, britis/yanks come running in guns blazing, blatantly shoot the woman an dthe child - it's the Taliban's fault. Is it any wonder their are so many Muslims ready to help them in the West ?

Fratton Fred

And the way the Taliban bomb schools and behead Afghan tanker drivers, is it any wonder there are thousands of Afghans joining the ANA to fight them?

Dades

Fratton Fred wrote: »

If you are looking to blame someone, blame Stephen Farrell for ignoring the advice of the Germans and entering that area in the first place.

+1

Exactly. Wouldn't have happened had he followed the advice. "Brave journalism" caused the death of a soldier doing his job and (allegedly) some innocent civilians.

Rev Hellfire

Dades wrote: »

+1

Exactly. Wouldn't have happened had he followed the advice. "Brave journalism" caused the death of a soldier doing his job and (allegedly) some innocent civilians.

Would people really prefer it if journalists didn't go into warzones and provide unbiased reports ? Somehow its now become his fault he was kidnapped rather than the kidnappers been to blame ?

Euro_Kraut

Rev Hellfire wrote: »

Would people really prefer it if journalists didn't go into warzones and provide unbiased reports ? Somehow its now become his fault he was kidnapped rather than the kidnappers been to blame ?

I agree. And if the British Army felt the rescue was going to be too risky they should have not proceeded.

Joey the lips

That journo is a muppet and cost them lives imo. With all due respects I faimly believe that we have no business going to these places. I also believe that we have no business going to chad and somalia and places where war continues. These countries will never be sorted unless they sort themselves first, Bosnia proved this!

Fratton Fred

There is nothing wrong with journalists going into warzones, in fact they should and they should be able to report on what they see openly and freely. That is afterall one of the basic principles of democracy, freedom of speach.

However, in this case there had already been a number of very large firefight between the Taliban and the German army and the Germans had warned him specifically not to go because of significant Taliban activity.

There is a difference between bravery and stupidity and this time Mr Farrall's stunt fell into the latter.

Fratton Fred

Euro_Kraut wrote: »

I agree. And if the British Army felt the rescue was going to be too risky they should have not proceeded.

Risky, but I suspect the Taliban commander was too big a prize to ignore.

DublinDes

Rev Hellfire wrote: »

Of course its the Taliban fault, they're the ones using human shields.


True, the blame lies where it should with the taliban who ensured they where placed in harms way.


The British in Afghanistan are not known for using women and children as shields.

So the Taliban can use the excuse when they blantly kill people in tower blocks etc that it's the fault of the US and the Brits that they used people as " human shields. " Sur I'm sure that the failed Austrian painter could give the same excuse about the deaths of Gypsies, trade unionists, homosexuals and a few jews.

DublinDes

This discussion ha sbeen DELIBERATELY hijacked to talk of the culability of Farrell and other jounalists to ignore the murder of a child and a woman. Now if the Real IRA bomb left in South Armagh earlier in the week had killed a child and thier mother - would we ever hear the end of it ?

Well gotta go, must watch Sky News and have a good laugh at the parents/wifes/girlfriends/kiddes weeping at the loss of their 'special ' boy :pac: It's always heart warming to see the mother of a British soldier weeping about why she " shouln't have lost her boy " , a destroyed wife/girlfriend saying " I cann't go on " and the little kiddes crying " when is my Daddy coming home "

Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander.

It wasn't me!

DublinDes wrote: »

This discussion ha sbeen DELIBERATELY hijacked to talk of the culability of Farrell and other jounalists to ignore the murder of a child and a woman. Now if the Real IRA bomb left in South Armagh earlier in the week had killed a child and thier mother - would we ever hear the end of it ?

Well gotta go, must watch Sky News and have a good laugh at the parents/wifes/girlfriends/kiddes weeping at the loss of their 'special ' boy :pac: It's always heart warming to see the mother of a British soldier weeping about why she " shouln't have lost her boy " , a destroyed wife/girlfriend saying " I cann't go on " and the little kiddes crying " when is my Daddy coming home "

Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander.

Um, with all due respect (and I mean "due" very seriously here), don't you think that's a bit sick? I mean, sure, call attention to the civilian deaths, and do it respectfully. Laughing at the bereaved parents, children and lovers of soldiers? I mean, nobody here's said anything comparably harsh about the Taliban or the civilians killed. If you want to say things like that, you lower yourself to the level of pond scum.

My personal feelings are that it's extremely unclear what happened, and nobody knows, or likely it will never be publicised, who is responsible for the deaths, so you're wrong to assume it's the fault of the British. I personally do not have a position on the incident, as I do not have the full details. I think this is the only mature standpoint on the matter. I believe however in respecting all people, and will not jeer the Taliban, or the civilians killed, or the soldier, or belittle them in any way, regardless of my feelings on ISAF or the Taliban. I respect everyone, and only judge their actions. Maybe you should try showing a little respect yourself, rather than pontificating and making assumptions.

Rev Hellfire

DublinDes wrote: »

So the Taliban can use the excuse when they blantly kill people in tower blocks etc that it's the fault of the US and the Brits that they used people as " human shields. "

Yes clearly that's the case, what with the British and Americans randomly kidnapping people and imprisoning them in peoples homes. Your reasoned argument has won us over. :rolleyes:

DublinDes wrote:

This discussion ha sbeen DELIBERATELY hijacked to talk of the culability of Farrell and other jounalists to ignore the murder of a child and a woman. Now if the Real IRA bomb left in South Armagh earlier in the week had killed a child and thier mother - would we ever hear the end of it ?

That's because the real IRA would have intentionally intended for those women and children to be in the firing line, just like the Taliban use the presence of women and children as a deterrent. So it seems the sauce is just as delicious on the goose as it is on the gander.

Fratton Fred

DublinDes wrote: »

This discussion ha sbeen DELIBERATELY hijacked to talk of the culability of Farrell and other jounalists to ignore the murder of a child and a woman. Now if the Real IRA bomb left in South Armagh earlier in the week had killed a child and thier mother - would we ever hear the end of it ?

they are all part of the same event, you can't discuss one without discussing the other. No one is glorifying this raid, in fact the British Government has taken a lot of flack over it.

DublinDes wrote: »

Well gotta go, must watch Sky News and have a good laugh at the parents/wifes/girlfriends/kiddes weeping at the loss of their 'special ' boy :pac: It's always heart warming to see the mother of a British soldier weeping about why she " shouln't have lost her boy " , a destroyed wife/girlfriend saying " I cann't go on " and the little kiddes crying " when is my Daddy coming home "

Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander.

I reported this post, but it appears to be acceptable for some reason. it appears that the hypocrisy is not around the reaction to the death of two innocent people, it is with yourself for taking great delight in seeing children orphaned and wives widowed.

I will not resort to personal abuse as there is no need. Most reasonable people will read this post and make their own minds up regarding you as an individual.