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Problem with customs?

  • 10-09-2009 11:25am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58 ✭✭


    can anyone help me out.... my AEG has been stopped by customs in dublin with the following message

    'THE SHIPMENT IS BEING HELD BY BROKERAGE FOR REASONS BEYOND UPS' CONTROL / DELIVERY RESCHEDULED'

    has anyone experienced this before?? its at 385FPS would that be the problem or are costs just been calculated? :eek:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,808 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    dirdeen wrote: »
    can anyone help me out.... my AEG has been stopped by customs in dublin with the following message

    'THE SHIPMENT IS BEING HELD BY BROKERAGE FOR REASONS BEYOND UPS' CONTROL / DELIVERY RESCHEDULED'

    has anyone experienced this before?? its at 385FPS would that be the problem or are costs just been calculated? :eek:

    Well if that's the velocity it's firing at you better hope it's not sent for ballistic testing because at that fps it's classed as a firearm and will be destroyed.

    It could also have been seized by Customs for VAT, I've never used a courier so I'm not familiar with how they add on VAT etc.

    But if by some miracle it arrives at your door, you better get it downgraded asap because it's an unlicensed firearm at that fps.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭TNTQ


    Just call Customs and ask how can you assist them with clearing your package with customs.

    As Blay said, it might be for Customs and VAT. Just ask yourself a question if package wasn't incorrectly declared or value on the package was too low and that draw the attention of Customs.

    First off all call Custums.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭Chuck the Buck


    dirdeen wrote: »
    can anyone help me out.... my AEG has been stopped by customs in dublin with the following message

    'THE SHIPMENT IS BEING HELD BY BROKERAGE FOR REASONS BEYOND UPS' CONTROL / DELIVERY RESCHEDULED'

    has anyone experienced this before?? its at 385FPS would that be the problem or are costs just been calculated? :eek:

    If it isn't sent for testing (and then destroyed for being an illegal firearm) and you do get it delivered get it down graded straight away. First off at 385fps its illegal and secondly (and less important than the first) you won't be able to use it anywhere as its over the limit (328fps with a 0,2g bb is the max power allowed by law).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭hightower1


    dirdeen wrote: »
    can anyone help me out.... my AEG has been stopped by customs in dublin with the following message

    'THE SHIPMENT IS BEING HELD BY BROKERAGE FOR REASONS BEYOND UPS' CONTROL / DELIVERY RESCHEDULED'

    has anyone experienced this before?? its at 385FPS would that be the problem or are costs just been calculated? :eek:


    Exactly the same problem here. Ups you sent it through too ya? Its a bad joke, basically meaning you HAVE to buy Irish for airsoft. Not that Irish retailers aren't great but for price and a different range china has some great places.


    See this similar thread .... http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055677686


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    I'd reckon the problem here is more to do with the description and or condition of the package the retailer provided rather than UPS. I had a good few packages delivered by UPS over the past few months and all cleared customs no problem.

    The packages would be mainly from Uncompany, ehobby and WGC, none were ever opened or held by customs, just an orange C.O.D sticker was stuck on it and ''airsoft'' in red marker. I don't even think they looked at the paper listing the power rating of each device provided in the external invoice slips.

    Had two packages come into Dublin airport at 7am yesterday and they were through customs, VAT and duty calculated and at my door by noon. The van driver knows me at this stage, keeps asking me about airsoft and whats the range, power and accuracy like etc, think I have him interested in it.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭TNTQ


    You know that new bill regarding Airsoft was passed and it's acctually a law now. And correct me if I'm wrong, but you can't import AEGs and GBBs?

    From my experience, UPS is the worst courier to get from HK/China. When you add all the costs time, problems etc. Buying from HK/China is not so good deal after all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭Puding


    You know that new bill regarding Airsoft was passed and it's acctually a law now. And correct me if I'm wrong, but you can't import AEGs and GBBs?

    this section of the law is indeed know on the books but as far as im aware they are not infourcing it until the licensing infrastructure is in place


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58 ✭✭dirdeen


    cheers for the info guys, got sorted anyway and my AEG arrived today....customs was cheap too :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,463 ✭✭✭Leftyflip


    dirdeen wrote: »
    cheers for the info guys, got sorted anyway and my AEG arrived today....customs was cheap too :D

    Now go get it downgraded. IMMEDIATELY!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭hightower1


    dirdeen wrote: »
    cheers for the info guys, got sorted anyway and my AEG arrived today....customs was cheap too :D

    Hey Dirdeen, any tips on what ya did to get it moving?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭hightower1


    So UPS called today, said customs are saking for a firearms license!
    They advised me to call customs so I have done. Spoke with a guy there and I advised I have documents from RSOV and declerations of conformity, that I dont hold a firearms license as they arent classed as such.

    Sent off an email with the documents and a brief explintaion of the sport and basics of the pistols (construction, energey levels, mechanics etc).

    Gave the legal standpoint in irish law regarding power levels and by the very nature of the devices and way the sport is played they cant cause bodily harm. Also gave the IAA's url if he is in doubt.

    Basically trying to be as open and helpfull as poss, seems like they are chancing their arms a bit. I can imagine they recived the pistols in ballistics and hadnt a clue how to gas them up etc so are just requesting a license. If it comes down to it I'd gladly post them gas and instuctions for a proper test like but it just seems so irregular that they wouldnt have a point of contact for this sort of stuff? Even a quick google would help them out? Whats the problem they have with actually asking the person they took them from what they are and how their used?

    It seems like anyone here would gladly explain it and help even for their own sakes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 144 ✭✭coys


    The reason they may be asking for a firearms license is that the Aeg/pistol may have been chrono'ed and over the limit...therefore its legally a firearm! and If you don't posess one the Aeg/pistol will be destroyed and they are quite right to do so


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭Puding


    The reason they may be asking for a firearms license is that the Aeg/pistol may have been chrono'ed and over the limit...therefore its legally a firearm! and If you don't posess one the Aeg/pistol will be destroyed and they are quite right to do so

    unfortunately that is not the case, you can not have a firearms licence for an airsoft device, even if you shot real steel does not mean you can then use and own a >1j airsoft device im afraid


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭hightower1


    Oh absolutely, if its over 1j then fair enough and then my gripe is with rsov who said it was legal and firing @ 0.87j. Will find out more tomorrow but I just cant see a garda knowing how to gas up and use a gas blowback pistol?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,808 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    hightower1 wrote: »
    Oh absolutely, if its over 1j then fair enough and then my gripe is with rsov who said it was legal and firing @ 0.87j. Will find out more tomorrow but I just cant see a garda knowing how to gas up and use a gas blowback pistol?

    The Gardai in ballistics have been testing airsoft guns on import for the past 3 years, so I'm sure they're aware of how to operate the guns properly:) I think some people here in the past had some trouble with Customs requesting a firearms licence and as far as I can remember, explaining that it was an airsoft gun sufficed to have it released.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭hightower1


    I guess I just dont have much confidence in a force that didnt even know what they had done with the pistols let alone if they had been tested.
    I suppose if they did test as over 1j I could get a statement to that effect and take it up with RSOV.

    As far as I know though the pistol as standard isn't even capable of firing over 1j? http://www.rsov.com/index.php?target=products&product_id=3787
    Thats what lead me to believe they hadn't tested.

    Most gas blow back pistols fire under 1j I assume? Anyone know?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 997 ✭✭✭.22 Lover


    Most GBB aren't capable of firing over one joule i suppose that's probably because there meant to be used as a backup.But there are upgraded versions well over our limit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭hightower1


    lol well the one's they are testing for me are clones so hardly top notch like. I would be very very surprised if it shot over 1j tbh.

    Last call I made I was told they were sent up x2 weeks ago but I could see the detective just saying that and asking for the license as if I had one it'd be a non issue and not actually need testing. No need to keep an eye on it and no me calling weekly for an eta.

    Somethings not adding up thats for sure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭hightower1


    This is funny at this stage.... so now customs call and say they will talk to the Gardai and see what they say that its out of their hands? Yesterday they were asking for a firearms license .... I pointed out the testing sheet and spec sheet of the gbb saying power = 1 Joule... followed by the definition under the firearms act 2006 stating an airgun with a muzzle energy greater than 1joule. So I need a firearms license even if I dont own a firearm?????

    If I buy a bicycle off ebay ..... should i buy a motorcycle license!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 172 ✭✭babyjames


    Hi might be off topic I have got a few Aegs ( last year) From RSOV and the like) It is now cheaper to buy from a local or Irish retailer, Also the only ones I had no problem with were the ones I got in Ireland. As for the ratings Rsov give on their site you would be better of trusting a politicion The last one I got stated 330fps but when I chronoed it it fired at 420 plus. As for Ups they add an extra charge for putting it trough customs on top of the vat. When I am next in the position to buy again I will be buying From Tony or Rhinocharge .

    Rgds
    Babyjames


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭hightower1


    Well I would only buy gbb's from off shore places and even at that I want to be sure its not poss to five over 1 joule but its pretty much a non issue as most gbb's are under 1 joule and dont need to be modded.

    With regards to the cost? I cant agree, x2 meu's (acm) I got for approx 150 inc p and p which is less that the price of ONE from an Irish retailer not even including p and p. Yes they may not be top quality but the price comparative to the quality of the nearest (prob TM) makes them much better value for money.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58 ✭✭dirdeen


    yea cheers for that!! my mate had no problem ordering in from ehobbyasia but they didnt check my e mails so not only did they not downgrade my AEG but they didn't state that it was valued lower than it was so i kinda got raped on the customs, next time defo buyin irish(well imported of course but from an irish retailer)...there's so many dealers in the marketplace now that its not hard to find decent deals!! would of been sound if my friend had or recommended buying irish!! :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 997 ✭✭✭.22 Lover


    How about buying airsoft parts from ehobby and EBay airsoft what kinda customs charges should i expect?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,463 ✭✭✭Leftyflip


    Divide the value of the goods including shipping by 25% and you'll get your answer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 997 ✭✭✭.22 Lover


    I'm going to be very poor by the end of next week.Or hopefully customs wont check them there only parts after all.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,502 ✭✭✭defenderdude


    .22 Lover wrote: »
    How about buying airsoft parts from ehobby and EBay airsoft what kinda customs charges should i expect?

    Also can depend on who the shipper is - some like UPS have high handling charges etc.

    If through An Post the
    "charges are on goods valued over €22 and are calculated on the cost of bringing a consignment into the country including postage, packing, handling insurance and freight. The charges consist of:

    Customs Duty (where applicable)
    21.5% VAT
    An Post handling fee of €6
    ."

    Like Leftyflip said - roughly add at least 25%.
    Practically every package I have gotten recently has been customs checked and charged where appropriate so dont be surprised if you are asked for a load of extra money.

    Not pointed at you .22:), just a general comment - Talk of duty/vat avoidance (NB idiots who brag about receiving packages without "getting hit" etc) is not only against this forum rules but it's also illegal. Forums like this are perused by more than just airsofters...

    edit - .22 it's the value I'm afraid... parts are subject to the same charges


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 997 ✭✭✭.22 Lover


    So then my 169 euro worth of goods is going to be allot more then expected.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,502 ✭✭✭defenderdude


    .22 Lover wrote: »
    So then my 160 worth of goods is going to be allot more then expected.

    :(
    Expect the worst and hope for the best.
    Bottom line is buying Irish is better value in the long run - especially when you consider that when things go wrong with HK / China sellers - you are largely on yer own...

    There is nothing more infuriating and frustrating than sending numerous emails about faulty or damaged items - only to be told
    "yea, so what - it's china made so what do you expect..." (paraphrased of course - but essentially the same response)

    It's a rock and a hard place tho as sometimes the items you need are often only available/ in stock abroad. :(

    As me ould mother goose used to say... suck it up:P
    Best of luck man;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 997 ✭✭✭.22 Lover


    :(
    Expect the worst and hope for the best.
    Bottom line is buying Irish is better value in the long run - especially when you consider that when things go wrong with HK / China sellers - you are largely on yer own...

    There is nothing more infuriating and frustrating than sending numerous emails about faulty or damaged items - only to be told
    "yea, so what - it's china made so what do you expect..." (paraphrased of course - but essentially the same response)

    It's a rock and a hard place tho as sometimes the items you need are often only available/ in stock abroad. :(

    As me ould mother goose used to say... suck it up:P
    Best of luck man;)
    Well now Ive heard the best and the worst of ordering abroad so i will expect to be somewhere in the middle between worst possible on customs charge and no hassle job.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,152 ✭✭✭Inari


    I'd recommend buying Irish because:
    A) You get to hold the gun
    B) Try before you buy
    C) Ask a shed load of questions
    D) Warranty
    E) No extra charges
    F) You get to go into a store and browse, hold what you like and ask questions about it then and there...rather than trawl through the net looking for images, and loking at reviews.
    G) No waiting

    I've ordered abroad, and had it work out cheaper. Not to mention the selection. However, I just prefer the in-store chat cause it has helped me tremendously.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 997 ✭✭✭.22 Lover


    Well unfortunately Ive already bought the parts so I'm still gonna get charged.But now i know go Irish.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭hightower1


    I have to say I disagree now, not that I dont find Irish retailers good or anything just I find far better value for money from over sea's.

    I buy a lot from ebaybanned and that has no postal charges, usually gets here in under 3 weeks, never had to pay any additional charges ever and after 15+ purchases from them not a single thing went wrong... ever.

    My only purchase that broke was from gunner and was a collapsible stock, it wasnt even their fault it was just the design was gammy. Even so it wasnt a huge disaster ... it broke... so what? I lost 30 bucks and after spending over 1000 on overseas deliveries in a year one thing going wrong wasnt going to spoil it for me.

    I mean look at the below comparisons...

    (I have done some accessories just to cut down the variables)

    Bipod -
    ebay banned.... 23eur inc p and p
    eirsoft....47eur inc p and p

    http://www.ebairsoft.com/tactical-metal-swing-bipods-p-38.html
    http://www.eirsoft.ie/store/shopping_cart.php?sort=3a


    Aimpoint red dot -
    Ebay... 35eur inc p and p
    Eirsoft .... 76eur inc p and p

    http://cgi.ebay.ie/30mm-Red-Dot-Sight-Scope-Aimpoint-replica-GP121_W0QQitemZ370154508203QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_SportingGoods_Hunting_ShootingSports_ET?hash=item562eed8fab&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

    http://www.eirsoft.ie/store/product_info.php?cPath=36&products_id=338


    Thompson wood set-

    Ebaybanned ..... 70 eur inc p and p
    Eirsoft ..... 90 eur inc p and p

    http://www.ebairsoft.com/authentic-thompson-m1a1-wood-p-933.html

    http://www.eirsoft.ie/store/product_info.php?cPath=25&products_id=69


    Guarder g3 goggles -

    Ebaybanned ..... 20eur inc p and p
    Airsofteire ..... 45 eur inc p and p

    http://www.ebairsoft.com/guarder-goggles-p-1230.html

    http://www.airsofteire.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=112&category_id=8&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=26


    usmc tac helmet...

    ebaybanned 30eur inc p and p
    Airsofteire ..... 55 eur inc p and p.

    http://www.ebairsoft.com/tactical-helmet-usmc-swat-style-black-p-111.html

    http://www.airsofteire.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=225&category_id=35&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=26



    I dont live near any eirsoft shop so I cant hold or try anything in advance and have to pay p and p so really all I would be paying for .... and in most instances double price for is a warranty? having the peace of mind of a warranty is great but its just not twice the price great especially when if its an accessory for like 40 quid?

    If I am buying an AEG I will buy Irish to make sure its legal but anything else I just cant justify it. I know its all about numbers and overseas retailers can stock more as there is more demand, the manufacturers are closer etc and I would LOVE to give an Irish retailer my money way before anyone else. All the Irish retailers are great guys and true decent people BUT when it comes down to it money talks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,808 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    Comparing prices from China and ones from Ireland is fruitless, Irish retailers have to make a profit on items, pay staff, bills, rent.etc etc what should they do import them at x price and sell at x? Please..:rolleyes:
    .22 Lover wrote: »
    I get your point.Ive bought the Dboys FN metal body last Saturday so how long should it take to get here and how much will customs and delivery cost?
    We can't answer that unless we know the total cost of the item inc. shipping. Customs charge 22% VAT on anything over €22 I think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 997 ✭✭✭.22 Lover


    Blay wrote: »
    Comparing prices from China and ones from Ireland is fruitless, Irish retailers have to make a profit on items, pay staff, bills, rent.etc etc what should they do import them at x price and sell at x? Please..:rolleyes:

    We can't answer that unless we know the total cost of the item inc. shipping. Customs charge 22% VAT on anything over €22 I think.
    It cost 36.17 euro


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,808 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    .22 Lover wrote: »
    It cost 36.17 euro

    Well based on my calculation, if Customs stop it you'll pay €7.95 in VAT plus the €6 An Post handling fee so about €13.95 total.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 997 ✭✭✭.22 Lover


    I have a package that's arrived in Ireland today how much will customs add on it cost 127.08 including post and packing this is the one that has the majority of parts for my project.:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,152 ✭✭✭Inari


    If you get hit with the charges, it'll be about €32


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 997 ✭✭✭.22 Lover


    Thanks:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭hightower1


    Blay wrote: »
    Comparing prices from China and ones from Ireland is fruitless, Irish retailers have to make a profit on items, pay staff, bills, rent.etc etc what should they do import them at x price and sell at x? Please..:rolleyes:

    And china retailers dont have to pay wages, rent, staff, bills and make a profit??:rolleyes:

    In fact the only extra Irish retailers have to pay is import.... does that double the prices in most cases?:eek:Nope


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 997 ✭✭✭.22 Lover


    hightower1 wrote: »
    And china retailers dont have to pay wages, rent, staff, bills and make a profit??:rolleyes:

    In fact the only extra Irish retailers have to pay is import.... does that double the prices in most cases?:eek:Nope
    Don't forget the euro to yen conversion rate.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭hightower1


    All the comparisons above are listed in euro already.

    Take for instance the Kalash M4 KAC PDW....

    Eirsoft list this for ....

    220eur+ 10eur p and p... total = 230eur

    http://www.eirsoft.ie/store/product_info.php?products_id=397

    Ebaybannd list this for 120eur all in.

    http://www.ebairsoft.com/metal-engraved-mark-peq15-battery-p-2470.html


    So for the sake of a 15 min dgrade an Irish retailer charges a 90% mark up?. I dont know of any business where there is a margin that high? I have sold four grand TV's a few years ago and that was my last sales job, the margins on even a luxury high expense item like that was 15%. In the industry that was great . The norm. So a 90% profit margin is unreal, and all that isnt even takng into account if its bought from resale and not a manufacture ..... AND then thats not even taking into account some sort of bulk retailers discount.


    To clarify thats a 90% mark up in even the most favorable light of Irish retailers. If there is indeed a bulk discount and bought from the manufacturer its not hard to imagine a margin over 100%!

    The legality of AEG's from abroad is not what I am pointing out but more so the huge mark up's that are put on identical items. I can totally see the stallward defense of Irsh retailers here but looking at the comparative prices what you could pay to what you do pay is a bit much.


    If Irish retailers would sell at these kind of prices I would always buy Irish and possibly need a larger place to keep the amount I'd buy but as it is I just cant justify the price difference including all costs from overseas to in country purchases.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,401 ✭✭✭Shiva


    hightower1 wrote: »
    a lot of inaccurate assumptions

    Just to summarise....

    a) The wage difference between what Irish retailers pay and what Asian retailers pay is ASTRONOMICAL. As are every other aspect of running a business - rates, insurance, tax. If they even pay any of those.

    b) We don't get "bulk discounts". In order to avail of bulk discounts we'd need to be buying approximately 200 cartons of ONE TYPE OF GUN. The biggest order I ever got was about 100 cartons across a range of about 15 brands, and that was when I was one of two retailers in the country. The Irish market is an insignificant blip on the radar of airsoft.

    c) The so-called "wholesale" price we pay is about 5% less than you pay. If that. I've actually seen some Asian sites charge LESS at retail, than I get at wholesale.

    d) The Asian retailers don't have to pay huge freight charges to get the stock into their storeroom, and they most certainly don't have the exploitative VAT rates and duty charges we have.

    e) My biggest gripe is that you look at the price of a gun in China, and then look at it in my shop, and then just pluck a profit margin of 90% out of your arse. WTF ? I *wish* I was making that kind of profit.

    f) Comparing something like luxury electronic goods with airsoft equipment is like comparing apples and oranges. Fast moving consumer electronics traditionally have a very low margin, is very brand driven, and best of all...has a HUGE market. 15% margin on 200 units of airsoft guns is a HELL of a lot less than 15% margin on 1,000,000 TVs. And theres also the added profit large electrical retailers make by selling ridiculously unnecessary "insurance" on your purchase. In most cases, that insurance is never used, and is 100% profit. You're being unfair comparing the goods you used to sell to the ones I sell.

    I'd like to think you weren't specifically accusing me of scalping every poor airsofter that comes through the door, but thats how it came across.

    But this whole Asian vs Irish retailers thing has come up many times in the past, and every time, someone makes a metric assload of incorrect and inaccurate assumptions. There are more than ten retailers in this country, so its in our own individual best interests to keep prices as low as possible. If I could sell KAC PDWs at that price, believe me, I would.

    You're right in one regard though - Sometimes it is much more cost effective to buy things direct from Asia, and I've often said as much to a customer when they ask me to source something for them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,502 ✭✭✭defenderdude


    hightower1 wrote: »
    All the comparisons above are listed in euro already.

    Take for instance the Kalash M4 KAC PDW....
    <SNIP

    Man while we all emphatise with the sentiment of your argument - please listen to a few points -

    You are talking about importing an illegal firearm from outside the EU
    Ebaybanned do not downgrade afaik. They will ship AEG and gearboxes seperately - you still have to have your AEG downgraded - it's not free unless you do it yourself, in which case - fair enough but not everyone can do it.

    You are choosing to ignore the LAW with regard to Customs Duty and VAT due and you also say here on a public forum that you have improted over 1000 euro worth of items, and in over 15 transactions you never had to pay "any additional charges ever"

    Nobody likes taxes - but it's the law...

    You are comparing all business to your experience which appears to be low margin, high value electrical items. I think it's a well known fact that items such as TV's often sell for very little profit if any - but you try get out of the shop without buying a stand, wall mount bracket, insurance etc... fair play if you do... :)

    All I am saying - not every industry operates to the margins you think are the norm or acceptable.

    Eirsoft V's Ebaybanned 220 V's120

    This is with my tongue firmly planted in my cheek but hear me out -

    Ok - you say he's making 100 out of a gun!
    Take the VAT and Duty costs out of it - the ones the retailer MUST pay by law.
    Maybe now he's making 70 euro... (I dont know but it's a fair guess)

    Now have the gun downgraded - change a spring or whatever. Ok, we'll allow say 15 euro here to cover the cost in materials and time (I doubt it's this cheap).

    Now we're at about 55 euro
    Pay 5 for advertising (website, magazines whatever - it all costs)
    Pay your rent, insurance etc - 20 euro
    Now pay yourself what's left - 30 euro - all to listen to people complain and whinge about how much you are ripping them off - well I know why I'm not in the business...
    Dont forget prsi, pension, healthcare...
    30 whole euro -
    That's before you have to deal with complaints, returns, faulty items, damaged or missing goods, spare parts inventory, time, capital to buy the guns in the first place etc etc...

    If it's so easy and there are such good margins - why are you not in it?

    Hang on - I forgot some more issues - the new MPB! The new MPB means that while airsoft remains legal -individuals such as you and me can no longer import AEG's unles you are a registered retailer and meet with all the appropriate requirments which will cost money...

    It's going to mean potentially some huge additional costs to the airsoft retailers here in Ireland. Some might just decide - it's just not feckin worth it - because people like you (and me) who dont support them enough by choosing to buy abroad - have in effect killed the goose that lays the golden egg...
    We are going to be the loosers in the long run - and your argument for importing from China will be as irrelevant as buying a house in China cause they're cheaper there too.

    (tongue removed from cheek)




    Anyway, ebaybanned were refusing to ship AEG's to Ireland last I knew... perhaps it changed. (I could be wrong there)

    UPS will probably be the only ones to handle or ship with ebaybanned - expect heafty charges on top of customs and VAT duty

    You can bring back the AEG to eirsoft (or any retailer here) if you have a problem - I'd like to see you ship an AEG back to HK...

    We have the luxury of looking at, holding, inspecting, possibly even using before you buy thanks to the likes of Eirsoft and other hard working retailers here - so you can then go online and buy from ebaybanned - at least give them the credit and realise that it costs money to allow you and me this privelage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 997 ✭✭✭.22 Lover


    Speaking of EBay banned there website seems to be going very slow at the moment Ive ordered a metal body last week and its still showing up as processing does anyone know whats going on?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,502 ✭✭✭defenderdude


    .22 Lover wrote: »
    Speaking of EBay banned there website seems to be going very slow at the moment Ive ordered a metal body last week and its still showing up as processing does anyone know whats going on?

    Well, I doubt any of the retailers here will offer any words of help!! :p Shower of robbin unhelpful feckers!!:D:p

    email them and wait!:p:p

    In fairness - they are generally good - but you're on your own when buying abroad...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭hightower1


    Defender dude, shiva, sorry if it comes across if it sounds like I am accusing of scalping or anything... I aint.
    I dont claim to know the ins and outs of retail in Irl Vs retail of mainland China. What I can see though is the same AEG for 100 bucks cheaper? I understand there are a lot of things at play, VAT , wage prices etc.

    Just dont wanna seem like I am saying all Irish retailers are screwing people over. I just cant see how the price difference is so much? But as said before I wouldnt import an AEG to Irl anyway as I couldn't be assured its legal.

    Again there are a lot of things in play... sales I would imagine in large items are far fewer than one would like as shop locations would not have a lot of foot traffic, shipping delays, a significant slice of customer base being under 30 without a real amount of disposable income to splash out regularly etc.

    I hope eirsofts new website will help with this, with more stock on display hopefully more sales... more sales means more stock. As i said earlier the bigger the sports gets the happier EVERYONE will be.


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