remmington VS SF II

sniper83

anyone else here shoot with the VS SF II in 223??



i know where a new one is going for €1200 with mounts,they were €1600 a month ago! very tempting what ye tink??

dwighet

sniper83 wrote: »

anyone else here shoot with the VS SF II in 223??



i know where a new one is going for €1200 with mounts,they were €1600 a month ago! very tempting what ye tink??

A mate has one in 204 and it shoots raggy holes at 100....

foxshooter243

sniper83 wrote: »

anyone else here shoot with the VS SF II in 223??



i know where a new one is going for €1200 with mounts,they were €1600 a month ago! very tempting what ye tink??

I dont own one, but spent an afternoon on the range with one whilst fitting a S&B PM2 on it for a guy, , quite a nice rifle I reckon, but its like everything else if you have the eye for it -youll buy:D

johngalway

Buy it.

bunny shooter

I've one in 220 swift EXCELLENT rifle, friend has one in 204 tack driver

Re 223 wonder if new guidelines are affecting prices?

johngalway

Forgive my ignorance/innocence, but how would new guidelines affect .223 calibre rifles?

bunny shooter

johngalway wrote: »

Forgive my ignorance/innocence, but how would new guidelines affect .223 calibre rifles?

In guidelines suggests 223 and 220 (swift) should only be used for shooting foxes in upland areas as there are better backstops :rolleyes:

johngalway

Oh yes, I remember reading that now you mention it. No shortage of backstops where I am, it's all bloody upland.

bunny shooter

johngalway wrote: »

.............No shortage of backstops where I am, it's all bloody upland.

Not upland where I live

johngalway

I shall get a mountain off in the post to you presently Bunny!

Am not sure what to make of the perceived backstop issue to be honest, another dodgy refusal reason possibly.

PJ Hunter

bunny shooter wrote: »

Not upland where I live

bunny this country gone to ****e with health & Safety. cant invade the pitch final day at croker any more, too dangerous:rolleyes: plan to errect some kind of folding fence:eek:

bunny shooter

PJ Hunter wrote: »

bunny this country gone to ****e with health & Safety. cant invade the pitch final day at croker any more, too dangerous:rolleyes: plan to errect some kind of folding fence:eek:

As I'm a Tipp man I must say WE SHOULD HAVE WON !!!!!!!!!!!!

Reckon johngalway hit nail on the head

PJ Hunter

bunny shooter wrote: »

As I'm a Tipp man I must say WE SHOULD HAVE WON !!!!!!!!!!!!

Reckon johngalway hit nail on the head

1570 feet enough mountain bunny, devil's bit north west templemore.:P

ormondprop

d auld devils bit, we go hunting up near around there

tomcat220t

Often up there lamping rabbits.Its was sniving with them a few years ago

sniper83

well lads going to put a deposit on it at the week end, god knows when il have the licence back:(

johngalway

No more than three months time AFAIK, if you don't hear anything by then I think it's taken for granted the application has been refused. Chin up, it's not all doom & gloom, loose nothing by applying.

PJ Hunter

3015 feet, south tipp galteemore:)

bunny shooter

I'm in Cashel lads Bit away from mountains

PJ Hunter

bunny shooter wrote: »

I'm in Cashel lads Bit away from mountains

chimamimani mountains:)




eastern highlands 300 kilometres from nyanga in the north and the chimamimani mountains near the farming area of cashel, between zimbabwe and mozambique.

ormondprop

Often up there lamping rabbits.Its was sniving with them a few years ago

we used to have a farm up near d devils bit in gurtagarry, sure we used to be nearly drivin over the rabbits there were so many of them, not many left now

tomcat220t

ormondprop wrote: »

we used to have a farm up near d devils bit in gurtagarry, sure we used to be nearly drivin over the rabbits there were so many of them, not many left now

I did pest control for Green belt some years ago and worked up there clearing out rabbits for them. We got some number of rabbits off them hills .They say there were farms baught form the bounty of the rabbits off them hills in the 20s .Not sure thats true ,but i remember that was one of the first things said to me when i asked the manager of green belt as to how bad the rabbit problem was up there .

ormondprop

tomcat220t wrote: »

I did pest control for Green belt some years ago and worked up there clearing out rabbits for them. We got some number of rabbits off them hills .They say there were farms baught form the bounty of the rabbits off them hills in the 20s .Not sure thats true ,but i remember that was one of the first things said to me when i asked the manager of green belt as to how bad the rabbit problem was up there .

the farm we had was ridiculous for them, of course when the rabbits were plentiful i was too young to shoot:rolleyes: that was about 15 years ago so i was only about 5 or 6 when we sold it for land closer to our house, we still do a lot of fox hunting up around that area and the odd bit of summer bunny shooting on fine sunny sundays

Sikamick

bunny shooter wrote: »

In guidelines suggests 223 and 220 (swift) should only be used for shooting foxes in upland areas as there are better backstops :rolleyes:

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Question re the above, if this is enforced how does it effect deer stalkers that are using heavy calibres for hunting deer on low lands. And if it does, who will cull the deer on ground that's deemed to be low lands.

The above suggestion does not make sense, again it comes back to licensing the man not the gun. Also if I cant use a .223/220 Swift on low land to cull foxes can I use a .243 ?. Why specifically pick the .223 or .220 Swift ?.


Sikamick

PJ Hunter

Sikamick wrote: »

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Question re the above, if this is enforced how does it effect deer stalkers that are using heavy calibres for hunting deer on low lands. And if it does who will cull the deer on ground that's deemed to be low lands.

The above suggestion does not make sense, again it comes back to licensing the man not the gun. Also if I cant use a .223/220 Swift on low land to cull foxes can I use a .243?.


Sikamick

some of the guidelines dont make any sense.
.223 700 police more dangerous than the 700 vssfII .223 whats a tactical rifle. shooting clays in the air with rifle, allowed:eek:

Also if I cant use a .223/220 Swift on low land to cull foxes can I use a .243?

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Remington 700 Police, 26" barrel

Remington 700 26" barrel vs sf IIi

guidelines

Rifles designed for military/police tactical use or with large magazine capacity are more dangerous and the difference between them and ordinary rifles does not make them any more suited to target and clay shooting.

It wasn't me!

PJ Hunter wrote: »

some of the guidelines dont make any sense.
.223 700 police more dangerous than the 700 vssfII .223 whats a tactical rifle. shooting clays in the air with rifle, allowed:eek:



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Remington 700 Police, 26" barrel

Remington 700 26" barrel vs sf IIi

guidelines

Rifles designed for military/police tactical use or with large magazine capacity are more dangerous and the difference between them and ordinary rifles does not make them any more suited to target and clay shooting.

Where exactly on the application form are they going to find out that it's a police model of rifle? The guideline makes no sense, because there's nothing to suggest that the information will be readily available to them. For instance, you'd simply put it down as a Remington 700 in .223.

Jonty

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Where exactly on the application form are they going to find out that it's a police model of rifle? The guideline makes no sense, because there's nothing to suggest that the information will be readily available to them. For instance, you'd simply put it down as a Remington 700 in .223.

the form asks you for a model. Its a remington 700. Same way as my sako 75 varmint is just a 75. Its not even mandatory to fill out the model.

It wasn't me!

Jonty wrote: »

the form asks you for a model. Its a remington 700. Same way as my sako 75 varmint is just a 75. Its not even mandatory to fill out the model.

Exactly. My application is the exact same.

Sikamick

Fill in the form honestly and remember if you get a visit from the firearms officer he can read what is stamped on the action/barrel.

My advice would be don't bring problems on yourself that you don't need.

Sikamick

Sparks

Agreed sikamick, but at the same time, it's the guidelines that say there's a difference. If there's no difference (apart from a paint job) between the 700 police and the 700 vssf2 models, then the guidelines are completely out of whack.

And putting down "Remington 700" when that's what you're licencing isn't breaking the law in any way I can think of. I mean, I didn't specify on my application form that I had the black and yellow laminate panels on the aluminium stock for my anschutz 2013/690; I just said it was a .22lr anschutz 2013. And they didn't even get that right on the licence, it's down in the system as a .220 (I'm hoping they'll fix that this year)...

It wasn't me!

Sparks wrote: »

Agreed sikamick, but at the same time, it's the guidelines that say there's a difference. If there's no difference (apart from a paint job) between the 700 police and the 700 vssf2 models, then the guidelines are completely out of whack.

And putting down "Remington 700" when that's what you're licencing isn't breaking the law in any way I can think of. I mean, I didn't specify on my application form that I had the black and yellow laminate panels on the aluminium stock for my anschutz 2013/690; I just said it was a .22lr anschutz 2013. And they didn't even get that right on the licence, it's down in the system as a .220 (I'm hoping they'll fix that this year)...

Same. There's an enormous misunderstanding of the terms calibre and chambering, and the difference between them. Hopefully we start seeing chambering on licences.

Sparks

Aye. Don't get me wrong - lying on the application form is illegal, and frankly both stupid and unethical - but there is a line between lying on the form and not entering extraneous and superfluous information on the form. And if the only difference between the police and vssf2 models was the paint job, then myself I'd probably just put it down as a 700.

But please don't take that as legal advice! :pac:

PJ Hunter

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Same. There's an enormous misunderstanding of the terms calibre and chambering, and the difference between them. Hopefully we start seeing chambering on licences.

and misunderstanding of the terms like tactical and police. the cheapest
vermin rifle is what many police use. same as the family car getting police stripes and a paint job.

ruger m77 tactical:eek:


savage 110fp tactical

Sikamick

I would not agree that the ruger m77 tactical is any different to say the Ruger M77 Mark II which is a heavy barrelled bolt action semi target rifle. If the powers that be think that there is a difference their wrong, in the wrong hands the down range results would be the same.

I cant see how the powers that be can say that Tactical Bolt Action Rifles are any more dangerous than Sporting/Target rifles, if they are used correctly both would be safe, my opinion only.

Spec Below.

Ruger 77 MKII Target/Sporting
Caliber: .243 Win.
Capacity: 4 Rounds
Finish: Target Grey®
Stock: Brown Laminate
Barrel Length: 26"
Groove: 6
Twist: 1:9" RH
Overall Length: 46"
Weight: 9 3/4 lbs
California Approved: N/A
Massachusetts Approved: N/A
Front Sight(s): None
Rear Sight(s): None
Other Features: Three-Position Manual Safety





RifleHM77VLEH Tactical
Caliber: .243 Win.
Barrel Length: 20"
Stock: Black Hogue® OverMolded®
Rear Sight: None
Suggested Retail Price: $ 1138.00

M77® Hawkeye® Tactical bolt-action rifles feature:

** 20" heavy barrel in non-glare Hawkeye Matte Blued finish.

** Durable, non-slip Hogue® OverMolded® stock.

** Precision-adjustable, swivel-style Harris Bipod for rock steady sighting.

** Unique, two-stage, adjustable target trigger (not LC6 Trigger) features a short "take-up" stage, followed by a crisp, light target pull with no creep or overtravel.

** One-piece bolt that has proven to be one of the strongest on the market, standing up over the years to such magnum cartridges as the .375 H&H, .416 Rigby, and .458 Lott.

** Non-rotating, Mauser-type controlled-feed extractor, the most positive case extraction system ever invented, and a fixed blade-type ejector that positively ejects the empty cases as the bolt is moved fully rearward.

** Patented floorplate latch, mounted flush with the front of the trigger guard, that secures the hinged floorplate against accidental dumping of cartridges, yet allows quick unloading of the magazine by simply pressing from the outside of the guard.

** Patented integral scope rings that attach directly to the receiver's precision-machined mounting surfaces, eliminating a potential source of looseness and inaccuracy in the field (included at no extra cost).
** Easily accessible three-position safety that allows the shooter to lock the bolt, or to load and unload with the safety engaged.



Sikamick

ronan nee

Have the VSSF II myself for about 3 years now, and I have to say its the most accurate rifle I have had to date.

downside for me is the weight, with mod and scope its alot to be lugging around the countryside on top of, lamp and battery.

still, wouldn't change it for the world......not yet anyways

regards
ronan

PJ Hunter

downside for me is the weight, with mod and scope its alot to be lugging around the countryside

upside
the two stage trigger on some of the tacticals makes them less dangerous.

ruger tactical

** Unique, two-stage, adjustable target trigger

CZ 550 VARMINT RIFLE







TIKKA T3 VARMINT with european detachable magazine

Weight

3.6 kg (8 lb)





TIKKA T3 TACTICAL




Barrel surfaces are Manganese-phosphatized for lasting protection against the elements and wear.
Factory fitted Picatinny rail on top.
Color coded 5/6 cartridge magazines for all T3 models make the use of different loads easy to separate.

SPECIAL FEATURES An extra large bolt handle knob. Available for all T3 rifles. The cheek peace adjusting wheel can be fitted on either side of the stock. Heavy duty sling swivel studs as well as Scope, scope mounts, bipod, muzzle brake and extra large bolt handles are optional, as well as are adjustable open sights and fore- and rear-stock fastened military type heavy duty sling studs for hook-type swivels.

The stock is made of fiberglass reinforced copolymer polypropylene and features an ambidextrous palm swell.

Weight
T3 24” barrel 3.7 kg (8 5/32 lbs)

PJ Hunter

Synthetic All Weather Hunting Rifles



Tikka T3 Lite Hunting Rifle


Weatherby Vanguard Synthetic Hunting Rifle 243 Win

It wasn't me!

There is nothing "safer" about a two-stage trigger. Safety comes from not tripping it in the first place.

PJ Hunter

It wasn't me! wrote: »

There is nothing "safer" about a two-stage trigger. Safety comes from not tripping it in the first place.

depends, different strokes..

I find that a two stage trigger gives the shooter ultimate control. A two stage trigger is also much safer in operation than a single stage by reason that the total weight in a two stage is a product of the sums of both stages. In a two stage trigger the sear engagement is only minimal when the second stage is engaged; therefore, it is possible to have a trigger with a relatively light break weight, which is the effect of the second stage and is what the shooter feels as trigger release weight, while maintaining a relatively much heavier overall trigger pull weight. It is possible (and advisable) to consume the majority of total pull weight in the first stage (at least half), which leaves a lighter second stage while allowing the shooter to get on and off the trigger with much less chance of unintentionally firing the rifle.

DAVID TUBB --

firearms safety, is an area that rests somewhere between both ears.

It wasn't me!

PJ Hunter wrote: »

depends, different strokes..

I find that a two stage trigger gives the shooter ultimate control. A two stage trigger is also much safer in operation than a single stage by reason that the total weight in a two stage is a product of the sums of both stages. In a two stage trigger the sear engagement is only minimal when the second stage is engaged; therefore, it is possible to have a trigger with a relatively light break weight, which is the effect of the second stage and is what the shooter feels as trigger release weight, while maintaining a relatively much heavier overall trigger pull weight. It is possible (and advisable) to consume the majority of total pull weight in the first stage (at least half), which leaves a lighter second stage while allowing the shooter to get on and off the trigger with much less chance of unintentionally firing the rifle.

DAVID TUBB --

firearms safety, is an area that rests somewhere between both ears.

Frankly, my own target-shooting experiences disagree with that. Finding the second stage on a 50 gram trigger when your hands are numb from the cold in Rathdrum has caused a few mentionable shots for me. Nothing unsafe, but a few brain-farts. My free rifle trigger is set at about 70 grams, single stage, and I intend doing the same thing to my air rifle trigger when I get back to college. Tubbs' logic about it being safer doesn't make any sense there however, as any snag that'll trip a single-stage trigger will trip a two-stage one as well, since the overall pull weight will be the same, with different types of travel. And if he means on a range, where there aren't such snags as a rule, then it's all to do with safe handling. Control for accurate shooting is utterly different to safe handling.

PJ Hunter

depends, different strokes.. never too old to learn:)

Sparks

I've gotten used to two-stage triggers on the air pistol, the air rifle and the smallbore rifle, and I'm happier with them than the single-stage setups; but safer? I don't see a single safety aspect to it at all, it's all about mental setup as far as I can see.

jwshooter

triggers are like any thing else ,i like set triggers snap n at 6 ozs on my sako and tikka .

but i would not let any one set one on a live shot.

some lads are going around with triggers snap n at 4 pounds .thats what there using and are used to .

so its what your into i reckon