Invasive technology to ruin your life.

Run_to_da_hills

Interesting topical video about how the latest technology and how it can will be used agaist you. :eek:

"Adolf Hitler would have loved todays emerging technology" :eek:

It takes into consideration ANPR traffic license plate cameras, false flag terrorism, powder chips implants CCTV and retina scans.

Of course all this is nothing new to us seasoned CT'er

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNKCSuX_E1A&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fdotconnectoruk%2Eblogspot%2Ecom%2F&feature=player_embedded

barnacle

Invasive

Kernel

Can't invasive technology make our lives better too though?

robtri

RTDH, if you are so against all these emerging technologies and against everything they stand for.... and would do anything to advoid them...

Why ohh Why are you using a computer, full of microchips on the Internet, where they can track and monitor you????? this is a serious question

Nick_oliveri

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

"Adolf Hitler would have loved todays emerging technology" :eek:

It takes into consideration ANPR traffic license plate cameras, false flag terrorism, powder chips implants CCTV and retina scans.

Terrorism or false flag terrorism aren't technologies. Im not usually a grammar or stucture nazi, but this really annoyed me!! :Z

Some Tech is fairly invasive, and companies are really pushing the boundry of what might be accepted, but you choose whether to buy or not, no one is forcing it on you. Traffic tools are there to database vehicles and check speed limits (i hate ****ing speed limits). Retina scans and chip implants aren't forced on anyone.

Run_to_da_hills

robtri wrote: »

RTDH, if you are so against all these emerging technologies and against everything they stand for.... and would do anything to advoid them...

Why ohh Why are you using a computer, full of microchips on the Internet, where they can track and monitor you????? this is a serious question

I am not against using this technology and can see much of its benefits however I do fear that it is quite possible that it could end up in the wrong hands and the consequences could be disastrous. Could you imagine if the former Soviet Union or Nazi Germany had such technology?

The KGB could easily track down dissidents through buzz words in emails, the could use ANPR and smart cards to track down all their movements to with in feet, when it comes to purchases they would know exactly what was purchased through the EFT system. :eek:

Those that speak out about the system could then be suppressed. :eek:

6th

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I am not against personally using much this technology and can see its uses however I do fear that its consequences could be disastrous if it gets into the wrong hands. Could you imagine if the former Soviet Union or Nazi Germany had such technology?

So you've no problem with the tech but if it have had existed years ago it could have been a problem? Good thing it didnt then.

Torakx

which is why its worrying ANY time this technology is seriously considered for mass production.
in our history there has never been a time when someone in power isnt trying to gain more.

Nick_oliveri

Torakx wrote: »

in our history there has never been a time when someone in power isn't trying to gain more.

What? Greed has been rife forever. Men with power are greedy, from the criminals to the corporations to the warlords to the colonizations to the slavery.

Even shared greed has an enormous and devastating impact(slavery).
It will always be that way. But I am of the opinion that you are quite mislead with that statement.

Torakx

sorry i didnt think this needed saying at all.
obviously i am pro technology.
what i am saying is worrying is that when this technology comes out it is used against us because lets face it we arent going to stop them infact most will agree to it in ignorance of future effects.
i think a small example is rfid being put into passports.
this will be the norm in a few years i think americans already have it in there passports and money. after a while when this is widely used it will probably be seen as ok in some countries to go ahead with chip implants in citizens.

baby steps for the win.

so imo technology is great! free energy etc etc all good stuff i love it.
but give that to the same idiots trying to control everything and its dangerous.

robtri

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I am not against using this technology and can see much of its benefits however I do fear that it is quite possible that it could end up in the wrong hands and the consequences could be disastrous. Could you imagine if the former Soviet Union or Nazi Germany had such technology?

The KGB could easily track down dissidents through buzz words in emails, the could use ANPR and smart cards to track down all their movements to with in feet, when it comes to purchases they would know exactly what was purchased through the EFT system. :eek:

Those that speak out about the system could then be suppressed. :eek:

I am sorry but thats BS... you speak out against emerging technology all the time saying it is wrong and shouldn't be used... ANPR, RFID's your two favourites... these are emerging technologies....

Torakx

i might agree rfid COULD be ok for my pet dog.
can keep track of your pets and any abuse to said pet/system would be from its owners hands.

but who owns us? and do we want them to have the ability to know where we are supposedly just for our safety.i mean they know where millions of africans are dying of starvation.we have the resources and technology to fix that.so as you can see technology is good and bad in certain hands.

now if god came down and tagged me with rfid its debateable wether i have a right to accept it.

considering the same people allowing those millions to starve and continue to use inefficient resources for energy are obviously still in control of the world. i think overall any technology that can be used to supress humans freedom or safety with massive effect is a bad thing right now.

maybe we should remain in the dark ages regarding technology till mankind actually learns to sort themselves out.
blow everything up and hit the reset button. maybe thats part of our evolution and technology may just speed it up.
for now im against these technologies like rfid.
its handy for animals ..maybe.but i would require a higher form of animal to tag me for my own good.

j1smithy

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Interesting topical video about how the latest technology and how it can will be used agaist you. :eek:

"Adolf Hitler would have loved todays emerging technology" :eek:

It takes into consideration ANPR traffic license plate cameras, false flag terrorism, powder chips implants CCTV and retina scans.

Of course all this is nothing new to us seasoned CT'er

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNKCSuX_E1A&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fdotconnectoruk%2Eblogspot%2Ecom%2F&feature=player_embedded

What is the problem with APNR? Numberplate recognition has been around since the invention of the car. APNR is no different from a garda standing at the end of the road with a pencil recording number plates as they go past. If it was privacy reasons surely you should have more of an issue with the plates themselves rather than the way they are recorded.

I really can't understand the fascination and fear you have of RFID? So what if its in passports? So what if border authorities know where you entered and exited a country? Is that really that big of a deal? The vast majority of people lead fairly normal and not all that interesting lives.

I fail to see how these technologies are in any way dangerous. All technology can be used and abused. I'll take an absurd but appropriate example for this forum. Fire. When this was discovered people used it for cooking and heating. It was also used as a weapon in warfare. Its not the technology that's dangerous, its the way people use it.

There has been no significant legislation in Ireland which has affected civil liberties since the 1970's. Ireland is considered one of the most free in the world.

I'll be honest RTDH you annoy me with your scaremongering. In fact I think conspiracy theories are a conspiracy theory. I mean after all what are you doing but conducting a campaign of misinformation?

Torakx

j1smithy wrote: »

What is the problem with APNR? Numberplate recognition has been around since the invention of the car. APNR is no different from a garda standing at the end of the road with a pencil recording number plates as they go past. If it was privacy reasons surely you should have more of an issue with the plates themselves rather than the way they are recorded.

I really can't understand the fascination and fear you have of RFID? So what if its in passports? So what if border authorities know where you entered and exited a country? Is that really that big of a deal? The vast majority of people lead fairly normal and not all that interesting lives.

I fail to see how these technologies are in any way dangerous. All technology can be used and abused. I'll take an absurd but appropriate example for this forum. Fire. When this was discovered people used it for cooking and heating. It was also used as a weapon in warfare. Its not the technology that's dangerous, its the way people use it.

There has been no significant legislation in Ireland which has affected civil liberties since the 1970's. Ireland is considered one of the most free in the world.

I'll be honest RTDH you annoy me with your scaremongering. In fact I think conspiracy theories are a conspiracy theory. I mean after all what are you doing but conducting a campaign of misinformation?

where does it stop then?when your private phonecalls to your lovers,family,friends,doctor are recorded and set on a database for other companies to solicit you adverts?
should we wait till that to happen before its enough?
how about when they start claiming you as there property?
next they will tax the air and we will all think ye that sounds sensible too many people breathing the air alot of people..so lets tax the ones using more.
these are all very real possibilities.
they sound ridiculous right? 100 years ago this all would sound totally ridiculous and anyone saying it would be seen as an outsider and strange.
but there has been calls for a carbon tax already.
we know there is the resources and technology to get free energy.so why are we poluting the air?
and afaik according to admiral/maritime law we are citizens owned by the corporation of ireland.signed by your mother to give you to the bussiness of ireland.

Run_to_da_hills

j1smithy wrote: »

What is the problem with APNR? Numberplate recognition has been around since the invention of the car. APNR is no different from a garda standing at the end of the road with a pencil recording number plates as they go past. If it was privacy reasons surely you should have more of an issue with the plates themselves rather than the way they are recorded.

I would love to see a Garda standing at the end of a road recording 3000 number plates a minute, I would guess he would barely get beyond half a dozen before he would get confused and loose count. :rolleyes:

j1smithy wrote: »

I really can't understand the fascination and fear you have of RFID? So what if its in passports? So what if border authorities know where you entered and exited a country? Is that really that big of a deal? The vast majority of people lead fairly normal and not all that interesting lives. .

RFID is highly accurate and will pinpoint your location "exactly" when tagged on or off. In other words if the authorities requested all your registered transit smartcard details, every movement you made for the last two years is readily available on a data base. :eek:

They can also tell who you are traveling with through live CCTV footage and their smart card records. So if he was a subversive you could be guilty by association.

j1smithy wrote: »

I fail to see how these technologies are in any way dangerous. .

I never admitted that they were dangerous, I only suggested that in the wrong hands they could be highly invasive, In other words if Brussels decided to step up an anti terror campaign and live track all transit movements of every one in Europe which is quite possible with the technology just around the corner from roll out.

j1smithy wrote: »

All technology can be used and abused. I'll take an absurd but appropriate example for this forum. Fire. When this was discovered people used it for cooking and heating. It was also used as a weapon in warfare. Its not the technology that's dangerous, its the way people use it..

Exactly, eventually when cash is displaced privacy will also be displaced, there will be no more hiding, you could no longer drive, take a bus or train without the where abouts of your movements being tracked.

j1smithy wrote: »

There has been no significant legislation in Ireland which has affected civil liberties since the 1970's. Ireland is considered one of the most free in the world.

Correct, that is because we have great constitution that great men of Ireland died for. On October 2nd we are in grave danger of loosing the whole lot of it to bureaucratic elitists.

j1smithy wrote: »

I'll be honest RTDH you annoy me with your scaremongering. In fact I think conspiracy theories are a conspiracy theory. I mean after all what are you doing but conducting a campaign of misinformation?

People don't want to know about the future and prefer to stick their heads in the sand and put all their trust in these gombeens in power. It will be the same idiots that will sell out our country to this up and coming superpower based on the revived Roman empire.

People must wake up and see the light that one of the greatest dictatorships known to mankind is on the horizon that will make Nazism out to be like a garden party.

The ultimate goal of this dictatorship will be track down every man woman and child and brand them with the mark synonymous with the number 666 thus fulfilling Revelation 13 vs 16 to 18.

This is the infamous mark of the Devil and must be resisted at all costs.

This technology will definitally ruin your life and your soul. :eek:

deereidy

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I would love to see a Garda standing at the end of a road recording 3000 number plates a minute, I would guess he would barely get beyond half a dozen before he would get confused and loose count. :rolleyes:
RFID is highly accurate and will pinpoint your location "exactly" when tagged on or off. In other words if the authorities requested all your registered smart card details, every movement you made for the last two years is readily availible on a data base. :eek:

They can also tell who you are traveling with through live CCTV footage and their smart card records. So if he was a subversive you could be guilty by association.
I never admitted that they were dangerous, I only suggested that in the wrong hands they could be highly invasive, In other words if Brussels decided to step up an anti terror campaign and live track all transit movements of every one in Europe which is quite possible with the technology just around the corner from roll out.
Exactly, eventually when cash is displaced privacy will also be displaced, there will be no more hiding, you could no longer drive, take a bus or train without the where abouts of your movements being tracked.
Correct, that is because we have great constitution that great men of Ireland died for. On October 2nd we are in grave danger of loosing the whole lot of it to Wealthy European bureaucrats.
People don't want to know about the future and prefer to stick their heads in the sand and put all their trust in these gombeens in power. It will be the same idiots that will sell out our country to this up and coming superpower based on the revived Roman empire.

People must wake up and see the light that one of the greatest dictatorships known to mankind is on the horizon that will make Nazism out to be like a garden party.

The ultimate goal of this dictatorship will be track down every man woman and child and brand them with the mark synonymous with the number 666 thus fulfilling Revelation 13 vs 16 to 18.

This is the infamous mark of the Devil and must be resisted at all costs.

hahahaha!


HAHAHAHA! You're nuts

Galway-R345

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I would love to see a Garda standing at the end of a road recording 3000 number plates a minute, I would guess he would barely get beyond half a dozen before he would get confused and loose count. :rolleyes:
RFID is highly accurate and will pinpoint your location "exactly" when tagged on or off. In other words if the authorities requested all your registered smart card details, every movement you made for the last two years is readily available on a data base. :eek:

They can also tell who you are traveling with through live CCTV footage and their smart card records. So if he was a subversive you could be guilty by association.
I never admitted that they were dangerous, I only suggested that in the wrong hands they could be highly invasive, In other words if Brussels decided to step up an anti terror campaign and live track all transit movements of every one in Europe which is quite possible with the technology just around the corner from roll out.
Exactly, eventually when cash is displaced privacy will also be displaced, there will be no more hiding, you could no longer drive, take a bus or train without the where abouts of your movements being tracked.
Correct, that is because we have great constitution that great men of Ireland died for. On October 2nd we are in grave danger of loosing the whole lot of it to bureaucratic elitists.
People don't want to know about the future and prefer to stick their heads in the sand and put all their trust in these gombeens in power. It will be the same idiots that will sell out our country to this up and coming superpower based on the revived Roman empire.

People must wake up and see the light that one of the greatest dictatorships known to mankind is on the horizon that will make Nazism out to be like a garden party.

The ultimate goal of this dictatorship will be track down every man woman and child and brand them with the mark synonymous with the number 666 thus fulfilling Revelation 13 vs 16 to 18.

This is the infamous mark of the Devil and must be resisted at all costs.

you watch too many sci-fi movies and read too many books about it. Why not try running to da hills, and put this topic in rants...

squod

Galway-R345 wrote: »

you watch too many sci-fi movies and read too many books about it. Why not try running to da hills, and put this topic in rants...

I don't agree with what RTDH says, but, yeah it's definately time to establish 'personal boundaries' with regard to privacy.

Run_to_da_hills

Galway-R345 wrote: »

you watch too many sci-fi movies and read too many books about it. Why not try running to da hills, and put this topic in rants...

I have quite a lot of books on the subject of invasive technology dating back to the 1970ies all based on Revelation 13. Some were well ahead of their time one in particular predicted that the bar code would be used for branding items and people, it also predicted the use of EMail and hand scanners.

Branding people with implants is very much a possibility and is constantly brought up in the media.EG infectious disease carriers, sex offenders, Parole release prisoners, geriatrics, etc.

j1smithy

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I have quite a lot of books on the subject of invasive technology dating back to the 1970ies all based on Revelation 13. Some were well ahead of their time one in particular predicted that the bar code would be used for branding items and people, it also predicted the use of EMail and hand scanners.

Branding people with implants is very much a possibility and is constantly brought up in the media.EG infectious disease carriers, sex offenders, Parole release prisoners, geriatrics, etc.

Well you're reading the wrong books and I mean that in the most sincere way possible. You've caught yourself in a "positive feedback loop" you only read what confirms your theories and the more you read the further confirmation you seek. You should stop reading fantasy, and try rejoining reality.

So revelations predicted email and hand scanners? Nowhere have I seen in the bible that predicts a system of communication will be invented where text is sent electronically. I have seen vague texts that could be interpreted a thousand ways though.

I have yet to see a person branded with a barcode, let alone one with branding against their will. You linked to articles that were proposals. The most daft things get proposed as solutions they are not always implemented. The geriatrics in the article also volunteered which is important to note.

j1smithy

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I would love to see a Garda standing at the end of a road recording 3000 number plates a minute, I would guess he would barely get beyond half a dozen before he would get confused and loose count. :rolleyes:

Maybe, but the principle is still the same. APNR is only a method of recording number plates. The same records could be made by hand.

RFID is highly accurate and will pinpoint your location "exactly" when tagged on or off. In other words if the authorities requested all your registered transit smartcard details, every movement you made for the last two years is readily available on a data base. :eek:

The authorities need a good reason to get that information, usually after a crime has been committed. Are you proposing that we don't give the gardai all the tools they need to do their job? You would prefer letting a criminal off rather than letting the gardai access this information?


They can also tell who you are traveling with through live CCTV footage and their smart card records. So if he was a subversive you could be guilty by association.
I never admitted that they were dangerous, I only suggested that in the wrong hands they could be highly invasive, In other words if Brussels decided to step up an anti terror campaign and live track all transit movements of every one in Europe which is quite possible with the technology just around the corner from roll out.

And if it prevents a terrorist attack then what harm? I'm not worried what government knows I get the bus to work in the morning and back in the evening.


Exactly, eventually when cash is displaced privacy will also be displaced, there will be no more hiding, you could no longer drive, take a bus or train without the where abouts of your movements being tracked.

Why are you so paranoid?


Correct, that is because we have great constitution that great men of Ireland died for. On October 2nd we are in grave danger of loosing the whole lot of it to bureaucratic elitists.

This is what I have the most issue with. You clearly haven't a notion what the Lisbon treaty is about. You insist on spreading lies and misinformation about it. Any changes that that need to be made in the self amending part need to be agreed among governments. If it conflicts with our constitution a referendum will have to be had before it can be passed. The Attorney General V Crotty still stands. In any case there is nothing to fear in the treaty.

People don't want to know about the future and prefer to stick their heads in the sand and put all their trust in these gombeens in power. It will be the same idiots that will sell out our country to this up and coming superpower based on the revived Roman empire.

Is there any evidence for this? (and I mean real evidence, not stuff you make up as usual)

People must wake up and see the light that one of the greatest dictatorships known to mankind is on the horizon that will make Nazism out to be like a garden party.

The ultimate goal of this dictatorship will be track down every man woman and child and brand them with the mark synonymous with the number 666 thus fulfilling Revelation 13 vs 16 to 18.

This is the infamous mark of the Devil and must be resisted at all costs.

This technology will definitally ruin your life and your soul. :eek:

You need to wake up. What would all the tracking of the general populace achieve? Absolutely nothing, apart from filling warehouses full of useless data. You seem to have no faith in the people of Ireland.

Run_to_da_hills

j1smithy wrote: »

Well you're reading the wrong books and I mean that in the most sincere way possible. You've caught yourself in a "positive feedback loop" you only read what confirms your theories and the more you read the further confirmation you seek. You should stop reading fantasy, and try rejoining reality..

If these books were fantasy they would not be a concern to civil liberty groups, we would not be reading about them regularly in the media. Perhaps certain people should pull their head out of the sand and face reality.

If Hitler had used his brain he would have taken over nations by subtle commerce, economic bullying and creating financial "spectulars" to fool nations to submitting their constitutions.

People are so gullible when they see a super power arising out of the ashes of WW2 and dismiss it as something beneficial. Every time a new invasive law is passed such as rooting through your personal correspondence, storing your information on a database. People don't bat an eyelid because its electronic and "unseen" unlike the old methods of tapping information. Would our previous generation have excepted if the authorities opened all their letter each morning before they got in the letter box or stood outside your house tapping into our phone lines with crocodile clips? There would have been uproar. Unfortunately I can see possibly see the younger generation falling for surgical implants and they won't bat an eyelid. In fact they think its great because it is combating terrorism or assisting in fighting infectious diseases. :rolleyes:

j1smithy wrote: »

So revelations predicted email and hand scanners? Nowhere have I seen in the bible that predicts a system of communication will be invented where text is sent electronically. I have seen vague texts that could be interpreted a thousand ways though...

Revelation predicted commercial activity through codes in the right hand or forehead. "No man could buy or sell unless he had the mark"

j1smithy wrote: »

I have yet to see a person branded with a barcode, let alone one with branding against their will. You linked to articles that were proposals. The most daft things get proposed as solutions they are not always implemented. The geriatrics in the article also volunteered which is important to note.

I know a few people with barcode tattoos, It was a fad not too long ago. In reality barcodes would be unsuccessful as a medium of human identification. One only has to use the self service checkouts at Tesco. Barcodes stretch with age, they give false reading and they can only be read within line of sight. Scripture mentions of marks IN the hand and not on the hand. RFID implants can also be read through portal scanners at a distance of several feet. They can be covered, the are highly accurate, they don't need batteries, almost impossible to remove without leaving a scar due to the chemical bonding agent Durabond which stops migration of the implant within the human body.

Run_to_da_hills

j1smithy wrote: »

Maybe, but the principle is still the same. APNR is only a method of recording number plates. The same records could be made by hand.

You can also shovel sand with a spoon, just that it would take that bit longer. :rolleyes:

j1smithy wrote: »

The authorities need a good reason to get that information, usually after a crime has been committed. Are you proposing that we don't give the gardai all the tools they need to do their job? You would prefer letting a criminal off rather than letting the gardai access this information

Thereis a ballance between fighting crime and invasion of privacy. Would you like your letters opened before you read them and the contents photocopied? Or all your movents on public transport stored several two years? Of course the idiot of today says, "why should it bother me if I don't do anything wrong" :rolleyes:

On entering the US you are now obliged to hand over your hard drive, pen drive, IPOD, digi cam or any other digital storage device for duplication if requested. I guess you also believe think that this all for the good of safeguarding society. :rolleyes:

j1smithy wrote: »

Why are you so paranoid?

Not so much paranoid but concerned. I have read up history books on previous totalitarian empires and dictatorships.

j1smithy wrote: »

This is what I have the most issue with. You clearly haven't a notion what the Lisbon treaty is about. You insist on spreading lies and misinformation about it.

The Lisbon Treaty is all about the archicture of an elitist undemocratic totalitarian super state and surrendering our Irish constitutional rights to foreign law and order. In otherwords a reversal back to foreign occupation something that Eamonn De Velera warned us of.

6th

deereidy wrote: »

hahahaha!


HAHAHAHA! You're nuts

Perma-banned from the forum. No point bothering with an infraction or a short ban if your only reason to come here to to slag off people with an actual interest in the forum.

6th

Galway-R345 wrote: »

you watch too many sci-fi movies and read too many books about it. Why not try running to da hills, and put this topic in rants...

Banned for 1 week.

Diogenes

j1smithy wrote: »

What is the problem with APNR? Numberplate recognition has been around since the invention of the car. APNR is no different from a garda standing at the end of the road with a pencil recording number plates as they go past. If it was privacy reasons surely you should have more of an issue with the plates themselves rather than the way they are recorded.

RtdH has gone on record that his problem with APNR is that he commits a speeding offence in spain he could be tracked back to ireland and fined. AN OUTRAGE!

I really can't understand the fascination and fear you have of RFID?

I'll be honest RTDH you annoy me with your scaremongering. In fact I think conspiracy theories are a conspiracy theory. I mean after all what are you doing but conducting a campaign of misinformation?

Welcome to the club. We have jackets.

Slugs

j1smithy wrote: »

You need to wake up. What would all the tracking of the general populace achieve? Absolutely nothing, apart from filling warehouses full of useless data. You seem to have no faith in the people of Ireland.

What would it achieve, total control. If you know what someone does everytime of the day, everytime of the week, you remove any power that person has. This information is harmless on it's own, but if you F*CK with the government, all the government has to do is look at your file and go well you did this and this and this, and if you don't stay in line, we're going to ass r*pe you without the vaseline.

No, what the real fight here is for the ability to do WHATEVER YOU WANT, WHATEVER IT IS SO LONG AS YOU DO NOT HARM ANY OTHER BEING WITH INTENTIONAL HARM!

This is something all laws were founded upon, now all the law is for is to remove an responsibility from the feathering morons you just can't be bothered looking out for their own interests, and want someone else to do it for them.

crossmolinalad

Yesterday in the netherlands they want a new passport they have to give 4 fingerprints
Two of then are going to a data base and two are going in your passport
Also in your passport they put a microchip with all your details in it ,your healthcare number your pps number ect ect
Everytime you need an id in holland the only one is your passport
Every official can see if u have outstanding debts like any tax or fines or unpaid bills
even they can see if the police is looking for u
Holland is the first eu country who introduce the system
If the libon treaty is accepted all eu countries have to introduce this system
i can put in links here but nobody can read dutch

01-01 2009 they had introduced electronic personal public transport cards
they know from now on everything they want where u from and where u goes
its a part of the lisbon treaty