CPU upgrade

Overheal · 07-09-2009 4:54pm #1

never actually done a cpu upgrade before, so ill ask here to make sure i dont do something irrevocable.

here is the cpu summary, i hope its all the relevant information.

I want to get a cheap dualcore for it, if thats even possible. the CPU is a gross rage-inducing chokepoint in everything I do here at work and i wanna ask the bosses to let me upgrade it. I just wanna be able to do my work. And everything is slow. I tried opening up a big spreadsheet (>5MB) and the thing nearly died on me. web browsing is dog slow as well - it takes ages to load boards pages and anything with flash is a disaster.

CPU Properties:
CPU Type Intel Celeron, 2700 MHz (27 x 100)
CPU Alias Northwood-128
CPU Stepping D1
Instruction Set x86, MMX, SSE, SSE2
Original Clock 2700 MHz
Min / Max CPU Multiplier 27x / 27x
Engineering Sample No
L1 Trace Cache 12K Instructions
L1 Data Cache 8 KB
L2 Cache 128 KB (On-Die, ECC, ATC, Full-Speed)

CPU Physical Info:
Package Type 478 Pin uPGA
Package Size 3.50 cm x 3.50 cm
Transistors 55 million
Process Technology 6M, 0.13 um, CMOS, Cu, Low-K
Die Size 131 mm2
Core Voltage 1.525 V
I/O Voltage 1.525 V
Typical Power 52.8 - 68.4 W (depending on clock speed)
Maximum Power 67 - 87 W (depending on clock speed)

CPU Manufacturer:
Company Name Intel Corporation
Product Information http://www.intel.com/products/browse/processor.htm

CPU Utilization:
CPU #1 0 %

[ CPUID ]

CPUID Properties:
CPUID Manufacturer GenuineIntel
CPUID CPU Name Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.70GHz
CPUID Revision 00000F29h
IA Brand ID 0Ah (Intel Celeron)
Platform ID 0Fh (Socket 478)
IA CPU Serial Number Unknown
Microcode Update Revision 2E
HTT / CMP Units 0 / 0

Instruction Set:
64-bit x86 Extension (AMD64, EM64T) Not Supported
Alternate Instruction Set Not Supported
AMD 3DNow! Not Supported
AMD 3DNow! Professional Not Supported
AMD Enhanced 3DNow! Not Supported
AMD Extended MMX Not Supported
Cyrix Extended MMX Not Supported
IA-64 Not Supported
IA MMX Supported
IA SSE Supported
IA SSE 2 Supported
IA SSE 3 Not Supported
CLFLUSH Instruction Supported
CMPXCHG8B Instruction Supported
CMPXCHG16B Instruction Not Supported
Conditional Move Instruction Supported
MONITOR / MWAIT Instruction Not Supported
RDTSCP Instruction Not Supported
SYSCALL / SYSRET Instruction Not Supported
SYSENTER / SYSEXIT Instruction Supported
VIA FEMMS Instruction Not Supported

Security Features:
Advanced Cryptography Engine (ACE) Not Supported
Data Execution Prevention (DEP, NX, EDB) Not Supported
Hardware Random Number Generator (RNG) Not Supported
Montgomery Multiplier & Hash Engine Not Supported
Processor Serial Number (PSN) Not Supported

Power Management Features:
Automatic Clock Control Supported
Enhanced Halt State (C1E) Not Supported
Enhanced SpeedStep Technology (EIST, ESS) Not Supported
Frequency ID Control Not Supported
LongRun Not Supported
LongRun Table Interface Not Supported
PowerSaver 1.0 Not Supported
PowerSaver 2.0 Not Supported
PowerSaver 3.0 Not Supported
Processor Duty Cycle Control Supported
Software Thermal Control Not Supported
Temperature Sensing Diode Not Supported
Thermal Monitor 1 Supported
Thermal Monitor 2 Not Supported
Thermal Monitoring Not Supported
Thermal Trip Not Supported
Voltage ID Control Not Supported

CPUID Features:
36-bit Page Size Extension Supported
Address Region Registers (ARR) Not Supported
CPL Qualified Debug Store Not Supported
Debug Trace Store Supported
Debugging Extension Supported
Fast Save & Restore Supported
Hyper-Threading Technology (HTT) Not Supported
L1 Context ID Supported
Local APIC On Chip Supported
Machine Check Architecture (MCA) Supported
Machine Check Exception (MCE) Supported
Memory Configuration Registers (MCR) Not Supported
Memory Type Range Registers (MTRR) Supported
Model Specific Registers (MSR) Supported
Page Attribute Table (PAT) Supported
Page Global Extension Supported
Page Size Extension (PSE) Supported
Pending Break Event Supported
Physical Address Extension (PAE) Supported
Secure Virtual Machine Extensions (Pacifica) Not Supported
Self-Snoop Supported
Time Stamp Counter (TSC) Supported
Virtual Machine Extensions (Vanderpool) Not Supported
Virtual Mode Extension Supported

CPUID Registers (CPU #1):
CPUID 00000000 00000002-756E6547-6C65746E-49656E69
CPUID 00000001 00000F29-0001080A-00004400-BFEBFBFF
CPUID 00000002 665B5101-00000000-00000000-003B7040
CPUID 80000000 80000004-00000000-00000000-00000000
CPUID 80000001 00000000-00000000-00000000-00000000
CPUID 80000002 20202020-20202020-20202020-20202020
CPUID 80000003 65746E49-2952286C-6C654320-6E6F7265
CPUID 80000004 20295228-20555043-30372E32-007A4847

MSR Registers:
MSR 00000017 000A-0000-0000-0000
MSR 0000002A 0000-0000-0000-0000
MSR 0000002C 0000-0000-1B10-001B
MSR 0000008B 0000-002E-0000-0000
MSR 0000019A 0000-0000-0000-0000
MSR 0000019B 0000-0000-0000-0000
MSR 0000019C 0000-0000-0000-0000
MSR 000001A0 0000-0000-0000-0089

Jonathan · 07-09-2009 4:59pm

I'm not aware of any socket 478 dual core processors.

Your options are limited.

Solitaire · 07-09-2009 5:04pm

You didn't need to get that technical

Usually the CPU model name and speed and the motherboard model and the CPU socket is enough.

Unfortunately in this case it also suggests you're SOL on this one

Mobo is just ancient by this point and does not support anything newer than what you already have. You're going to need a new motherboard, new memory (you probably have ancient DDR in there) and possibly a new PSU. And maybe a new GPU if you're gaming (if not then make sure the new mobo has onboard video!). Owwwwch

TerrorFirmer · 07-09-2009 5:11pm

2.7Ghz Celeron with 128k L2 cache...ouch. A 2.8-3Ghz S478 Pentium 4 with 1 or 2mb of l2 will show a whopper of a difference even for very little money.

Overheal · 07-09-2009 5:27pm

thats what i was thinking. theres a P4 next to me and it is zsnappy by comparison. no typo.

Overheal · 07-09-2009 5:31pm

Jonathan wrote: »

I'm not aware of any socket 478 dual core processors.

Your options are limited.

but which one? there are so many

just search sock 478 on newegg then? do i need to concern myself with nano's and wattage?

Jonathan · 07-09-2009 5:40pm

Overheal wrote: »

but which one? there are so many just search sock 478 on newegg then? do i need to concern myself with nano's and wattage?

Basically most of the Northwoods will work.

What you are looking for is a socket478 model with a 400 MT/s FSB. A faster model with higher FSB will most likely work as well but it depends on your mobo. It will also be clocked down if your mobo doesn't support a faster FSB.

Solitaire · 07-09-2009 6:13pm

All right, I've lost my temper!

Yes, that's €150 shipped, but you do want a decent dual-core CPU and on S478 that just ain't gonna happen. Sickens me that shipped price is still lower than Komplett even with 20% of the cost going on p&p...

Of course, if that machine you're upgrading is a mass-produced non-upgradeable BTX PoS from Dell then it doesn't matter - the only thing its fit for is a real-life Recycle Bin

EDIT: Removed last para. Something I just remembered: Overheal, don't suppose you could give us specs or at least model name of your mobo? I want to know its max possible FSB, but given it started life with a S478 Celeron I'm not very confident. It might be FSB400 max, and 3GHz FSB400 Northwoods are hard to find used - I can only find them in the US for ~€100 new :eek:

Jonathan · 07-09-2009 6:24pm

Bear in mind that overheal is in the US solitaire

Solitaire · 07-09-2009 6:47pm

D'oh. Keep forgetting that no matter how many times I'm told...

Gist of it: Unless you can settle for a 2.6GHz 512kb P4 or you're lucky and have a decent mobo then it may be wiser to stick in new (cheap) CPU/mobo/RAM than blow $160+ on an OEM 3GHz P4. And even if you do have access to FSB533/800 a faster (3GHz+) P4 may put a lot more strain on the PSU (89-115W TDPs) but at least you might be able to avail of HyperThreading, so you can still have two cores... They'll be virtual cores, mind...

Overheal · 07-09-2009 8:06pm

well bearing in mind the max draw on the celeron is 80 odd watts, I probably cant have anything higher unless we start talking about money-money. as it is you can get a used p4 off amazon for $10 and ship.

mobo specs

[ Motherboard ]

Motherboard Properties:
Motherboard ID 05/17/2004-i845G-W627-6A69VM4YC-00
Motherboard Name MSI Gamila/Giovani/Neon Series

Front Side Bus Properties:
Bus Type Intel NetBurst
Bus Width 64-bit
Real Clock 100 MHz (QDR)
Effective Clock 400 MHz
Bandwidth 3200 MB/s

Memory Bus Properties:
Bus Type DDR SDRAM
Bus Width 64-bit
Real Clock 133 MHz (DDR)
Effective Clock 267 MHz
Bandwidth 2133 MB/s

Chipset Bus Properties:
Bus Type Intel Hub Interface
Bus Width 8-bit
Real Clock 67 MHz (QDR)
Effective Clock 267 MHz
Bandwidth 267 MB/s

Motherboard Manufacturer:
Company Name Micro-Star International
Product Information http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_list.php
BIOS Download http://www.msi.com.tw/program/support/bios/bos/spt_bos_list.php

[ Memory ]

Physical Memory:
Total 1015 MB
Used 774 MB
Free 240 MB
Utilization 76 %

Swap Space:
Total 1293 MB
Used 626 MB
Free 667 MB
Utilization 48 %

Virtual Memory:
Total 2309 MB
Used 1400 MB
Free 908 MB
Utilization 61 %

Physical Address Extension (PAE):
Supported by Operating System Yes
Supported by CPU Yes
Active No

[ SPD ]

[ DIMM1: Kingston K ]

Memory Module Properties:
Module Name Kingston K
Serial Number 6C0DC15Ah
Manufacture Date Week 32 / 2006
Module Size 512 MB (2 ranks, 4 banks)
Module Type Unbuffered
Memory Type DDR SDRAM
Memory Speed PC3200 (200 MHz)
Module Width 64 bit
Module Voltage SSTL 2.5
Error Detection Method None
Refresh Rate Reduced (7.8 us), Self-Refresh

Memory Timings:
@ 200 MHz 3.0-3-3-8 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)
@ 166 MHz 2.5-3-3-7 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)
@ 133 MHz 2.0-2-2-6 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)

Memory Module Features:
Early RAS# Precharge Not Supported
Auto-Precharge Not Supported
Precharge All Not Supported
Write1/Read Burst Not Supported
Buffered Address/Control Inputs Not Supported
Registered Address/Control Inputs Not Supported
On-Card PLL (Clock) Not Supported
Buffered DQMB Inputs Not Supported
Registered DQMB Inputs Not Supported
Differential Clock Input Supported
Redundant Row Address Not Supported

Memory Module Manufacturer:
Company Name Kingston Technology Company, Inc.
Product Information http://www.kingston.com/products/default.asp

[ DIMM2: Kingston K ]

Memory Module Properties:
Module Name Kingston K
Serial Number 6C0D965Ah
Manufacture Date Week 32 / 2006
Module Size 512 MB (2 ranks, 4 banks)
Module Type Unbuffered
Memory Type DDR SDRAM
Memory Speed PC3200 (200 MHz)
Module Width 64 bit
Module Voltage SSTL 2.5
Error Detection Method None
Refresh Rate Reduced (7.8 us), Self-Refresh

Memory Timings:
@ 200 MHz 3.0-3-3-8 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)
@ 166 MHz 2.5-3-3-7 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)
@ 133 MHz 2.0-2-2-6 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)

Memory Module Features:
Early RAS# Precharge Not Supported
Auto-Precharge Not Supported
Precharge All Not Supported
Write1/Read Burst Not Supported
Buffered Address/Control Inputs Not Supported
Registered Address/Control Inputs Not Supported
On-Card PLL (Clock) Not Supported
Buffered DQMB Inputs Not Supported
Registered DQMB Inputs Not Supported
Differential Clock Input Supported
Redundant Row Address Not Supported

Memory Module Manufacturer:
Company Name Kingston Technology Company, Inc.
Product Information http://www.kingston.com/products/default.asp

[ Chipset ]

[ North Bridge: Intel Brookdale-G i845GEV ]

North Bridge Properties:
North Bridge Intel Brookdale-G i845GEV
Revision 03
Package Type 760 Pin FC-BGA
Package Size 3.75 cm x 3.75 cm
Core Voltage 1.5 V
In-Order Queue Depth 12

Memory Timings:
CAS Latency (CL) 2T
RAS To CAS Delay (tRCD) 2T
RAS Precharge (tRP) 2T
RAS Active Time (tRAS) 6T

Error Correction:
ECC Not Supported
ChipKill ECC Not Supported
RAID Not Supported
ECC Scrubbing Not Supported

Memory Slots:
DRAM Slot #1 512 MB (PC3200 DDR SDRAM)
DRAM Slot #2 512 MB (PC3200 DDR SDRAM)

Integrated Graphics Controller:
Graphics Controller Type Intel Extreme Graphics
Graphics Controller Status Enabled
Shared Memory Size 8 MB

Chipset Manufacturer:
Company Name Intel Corporation
Product Information http://www.intel.com/products/browse/chipsets.htm
Driver Download http://support.intel.com/support/chipsets/index.htm

[ South Bridge: Intel 82801DB ICH4 ]

South Bridge Properties:
South Bridge Intel 82801DB ICH4
Revision / Stepping 82 / B0
Package Type 421 Pin BGA
Package Size 3.1 cm x 3.1 cm
Core Voltage 1.5 V

AC'97 Audio Controller:
Audio Controller Type Intel 82801DB(M) ICH4
Codec Name Avance Logic ALC658
Codec ID 414C4780h
S/PDIF Output Supported

Chipset Manufacturer:
Company Name Intel Corporation
Product Information http://www.intel.com/products/browse/chipsets.htm
Driver Download http://support.intel.com/support/chipsets/index.htm

[ BIOS ]

BIOS Properties:
BIOS Type Award
Award BIOS Type Phoenix-Award BIOS v6.00PG
Award BIOS Message Copyright 2004 by Hewlett Packard Company Rev. 3.11 05/17/2004
System BIOS Date 05/17/04
Video BIOS Date 02/03/20

BIOS Manufacturer:
Company Name Phoenix Technologies Ltd.
Product Information http://www.phoenix.com/en/products/default.htm
BIOS Upgrades http://www.esupport.com/biosagent/index.cfm?refererid=40

Problems & Suggestions:
Suggestion Are you looking for a BIOS Upgrade? Contact eSupport Today!
Suggestion System BIOS is more than 2 years old. Update it if necessary.

Anti · 07-09-2009 9:20pm

You really dont need to go into such useless detail. Just cpu model and motherboard maker and model is all thats needed.

CPU upgrade

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