Richard Seymour traded to the Raiders

Hynzie

Richard Seymour has reportedly been traded to the raiders for a 2011 first round pick.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4450767

Interesting trade considering how close it is to the season. I really dont get this move by the Raiders. They are rebuilding and need all the picks they can get but instead trade a 1st rounder for DE who will be 30 in a month. I really dont think this is the piece that will make them a contender!! Crazy price to pay considering how hard it is to get value in a trade these days. If this is true the Patriots must be laughing!

UhOh

Patriots must be pi**ing themselves laughing. 1st round pick, unreal

Chucky the tree

Pretty pleased with it. The way we've drafted in the 1st round the last god knows how many years getting rid of a 1st round pick for a proven qualtiy nfl player is pretty solid on our part. I expect us to be picking top 10 next year, but in 2011 I think we could be in the mid round range so expecting to get a quality DL isn't guranteed. The only thing I don't like about this move is he's out of contract next year.

TheHeadhunter

I'm with you on this one Chucky, I'm pleased with it.

heyjude

On first hearing this I was shocked, a team that plays a 4-3 defence trading a first round draft pick for a 29 year old who plays on a team using a 3-4 D. Then hearing that Seymour is in a contract year too and wondering whether the Raiders will be able to afford a new contract next year.

I'm wondering how long it will take for him to transition over into an effective 4-3 tackle which is what the Raiders mainly need.

On reflection though, the Raiders record with first round draft picks in recent years has been pretty poor, so maybe its a case of 'Better a bird in the hand than two in the bush'. There is also the issue of what it will take to sign a first round draft pick in 2011, especially if its a top ten pick and there isn't a new cba or some form of rookie salary cap.

In any case, the Patriots will most likely trade this pick before 2011 as they seem to prefer to trade down for more picks, thereby tying up less cap space on rookies and having more throws of the dice in the annual draft crap shoot.

While I don't know whether this trade story was good or bad news, the reports concerning the arrest of Shawn Merriman ( http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090906/ap_on_re_us/fbn_merriman_arrested ) left me more optimistic.

Max Power1

As a raiders fan, who also is fond of the pats, this is a good move for both teams. Al davis cant seem to draft in the first round (with the possible exception of mcfadden), and the pats get a probable top 10 pick next year for a player north of 30 who is dispensible. Might see Jarvus Green getting a few more reps at DE, who has shown glimpses of talent when filling in on teh D-Line in the past.

For the Raiders its a question of how best to utilise him, will he be the no 2 DT in the 4-3 scheme, or will he convert to a 4-3 DE. Might he see some reps at LB? (ala Kampman in GB). One thing is for sure, he doesnt get much time to bed in and study the plays!

Chanandler Bong

I just dont think that the Raiders are in ANY position to be trading away 1st rounders for 30 year old's in the final year of their contract!, they need long-term help, is Seymour really going to be the difference to put them in the Playoffs?, No, so why sacrifice a 1st rounder for him with the team in its current state?

And their poor drafting is not a reason to trade away 1st rounders?
Why not focus on improving their drafting rather than say, oh well we havnt drafted well recently so lets just trade away our first rounders to prevent further poor selections

Great deal for the Pats, apparently they wouldnt have able to resign both Vince Wilfork and Seymour, so this suits them perfectly really as they shed cap space from a player who would have seen too much time on the bench relative to his salary, with Warren, Burgess, Wilfork, Jarvis Green, and Ron Brace all vying for starting places on the 3 man line

Chucky the tree

Max Power1 wrote: »

As a raiders fan, who also is fond of the pats, this is a good move for both teams. Al davis cant seem to draft in the first round (with the possible exception of mcfadden), and the pats get a probable top 10 pick next year for a player north of 30 who is dispensible. Might see Jarvus Green getting a few more reps at DE, who has shown glimpses of talent when filling in on teh D-Line in the past.

For the Raiders its a question of how best to utilise him, will he be the no 2 DT in the 4-3 scheme, or will he convert to a 4-3 DE. Might he see some reps at LB? (ala Kampman in GB). One thing is for sure, he doesnt get much time to bed in and study the plays!

It's 2011 first round pick, not next years.

Chucky the tree

Chanandler Bong wrote: »

I just dont think that the Raiders are in ANY position to be trading away 1st rounders for 30 year old's, they need long-term help, is Seymour really going to be the difference to put them in the Playoffs?, No, so why sacrifice a 1st rounder for him with the team in its current state?

And their poor drafting is not a reason to trade away 1st rounders?
Why not focus on improving their drafting rather than say, oh well we havnt drafted well recently so lets just trade away our first rounders to prevent further poor selections

The draft is always a hit or miss for nealy all teams, we just miss more then most. There are very few teams who always do well in the draft. With the way rookie salaries are going I'm a lot happier handing over a 1st round pick + money to a proven player rather then giving a unproven player a lot of money.


Internesting for the Pats though switching to a 4-3 now, goodluck stopping he run with Burgess as a every down DE.

Chanandler Bong

Chucky the tree wrote: »

It's 2011 first round pick, not next years.

Top 15 at least, Raiders arnt coming out of the woods any time soon

Chucky the tree

Chanandler Bong wrote: »

Top 15 at least, Raiders arnt coming out of the woods any time soon

Can I have next weeks lotto numbers while you're predicting the future? Prediciting how nfl teams down the following year is hard enough, trying to do it in 2 years time is near impossible.

Chanandler Bong

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Can I have next weeks lotto numbers while you're predicting the future? Prediciting how nfl teams down the following year is hard enough, trying to do it in 2 years time is near impossible.

Well done on stating the obvious yet again, from your recent posts we've learned such ground-breaking revelatons as "the draft is hit and miss" and "predicting the nfl is tough", your presence is indispensable to the thread

Chucky the tree

Chanandler Bong wrote: »

Well done on stating the obvious yet again, from your recent posts we've learned such ground-breaking revelatons as "the draft is hit and miss" and "predicting the nfl is tough", your presence is indispensable to the thread

Not nearly as much as yours. "Why not just draft good players" "Raiders will suck in two years time because...I say so". A+.

tallaghtoutlaws

Handbags ladies lets keep them at the door. We all have the right to our own opinion whether you agree or not.

eagle eye

Seymour is top quality and one of the better if not the very best of the Raider's transactions of recent times. I was shocked when I heard this one, we did take a lot of big men in the draft and we have a guy called Myron Pryor who has looked awesome in preseason and Ron Brace who looks the business also. Still Richard Seymour is a legend in New England and he is not near finished, he is only 29 and he hasn't done anything that would lead you to believe that he is near the end of his career either.
This to me is a move made simply because he along with Wilfork are due new contracts and we couldn't afford to keep both of them.

While some might say that a first round draft pick in 2011 is expensive I don't think it is for what the Raiders are getting, as long as they can keep him next year that is, but when you think about it they will save a lot of money on a first round draft pick in 2011 and be able to structure a deal with Sey to use that money to tie him down.

Best of luck to Richard Seymour, I hope he does well for the Raiders but I do hope you have a brutal 2010 and we get a nice high draft pick.

jdivision

A first round draft pick for a player whose contract expires at the end of the season and has been missing games due to injury? Sorry lads but that's bad business by the Raiders

eagle eye

jdivision wrote: »

A first round draft pick for a player whose contract expires at the end of the season and has been missing games due to injury? Sorry lads but that's bad business by the Raiders

He only missed one game last season.

jdivision

He's missed 8 in the last two years, the only reason he'd stay with Raiders after this season (providing deal goes through) is if they offer him silly money.

TheHeadhunter

He is also coming off a career high 8 sack season!

jdivision

I'm not doubting that he's a great player, but giving up that much for a one year punt isn't worth it frankly.

death1234567

jdivision wrote: »

I'm not doubting that he's a great player, but giving up that much for a one year punt isn't worth it frankly.

+1. More Al Davis madness, will it ever end?

Chanandler Bong

Interesting grpahic on Total Access there, showing the defensive losses for New England

Bruschi, Harrison, Vrabel, Seymour, Seau

It seems a changing of the guard is truly at hand on the defensive side

eagle eye

Chanandler Bong wrote: »

Interesting grpahic on Total Access there, showing the defensive losses for New England

Bruschi, Harrison, Vrabel, Seymour, Seau

It seems a changing of the guard is truly at hand on the defensive side

And system. It looks like they are moving to 4-3, maybe to combat the wildcat.

Chucky the tree

jdivision wrote: »

I'm not doubting that he's a great player, but giving up that much for a one year punt isn't worth it frankly.

How it is a 1 year punt? If he didn't want to sign we would of just franchised him. When was the last time a top player actually let for nothing in FA? Anyway it seems he's wants a new 3 year deal before he joins us.

Karlusss

eagle eye wrote: »

And system. It looks like they are moving to 4-3, maybe to combat the wildcat.

It seems that way, doesn't it? The Patriots were the ones burnt by the Wildcat the first time last year, and building a defense well-equipped to beat the inevitable copycats seems like a typically Belichickian, crest of the wave thing to do.

Everyone else will wait to see what Belichick does, and then hire a Pats co-ordinator to do it.

Max Power1

Chucky the tree wrote: »

How it is a 1 year punt? If he didn't want to sign we would of just franchised him. When was the last time a top player actually let for nothing in FA? Anyway it seems he's wants a new 3 year deal before he joins us.

Asante Samuel last year? He was one of the top CBs in the league

jdivision

Chucky the tree wrote: »

How it is a 1 year punt? If he didn't want to sign we would of just franchised him. When was the last time a top player actually let for nothing in FA? Anyway it seems he's wants a new 3 year deal before he joins us.

he has more than six years in the league, so he's entitled to free agency anyway afaik.

themont85

Chucky the tree wrote: »

When was the last time a top player actually let for nothing in FA?

Albert Haynesworth.

Lirange

Apparently Seymour has yet to report and the Raiders sent him a letter threatening to suspend him for the season. Not a good start.

ReacherCreature

Seymour's gonna report as far as Jason La Canfora says

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/09/12/de-seymour-traveling-to-oakland-will-report-to-raiders/

Defensive end Richard Seymour is traveling to Oakland today and will report to his new team, Seymour said via text. Eugene Parker, Seymour’s agent, also confirmed that Seymour plans to report to the Raiders.
Seymour spent the last week near his Boston home following the Sept. 6 trade that sent his rights from the Patriots to the Raiders for a 2011 first-round pick.
Seynour has one year left on his contract and had been unhappy with the trade, as well as his contract status, according to a source. He could have faced forfeiture of his $3.7 million salary and losing a year of service time towards free agency had he failed to report to Oakland.

Chucky the tree

Max Power1 wrote: »

Asante Samuel last year? He was one of the top CBs in the league

NE were happy to let him walk.

themont85 wrote: »

Albert Haynesworth.

Titans agreed not to franchise him again after doing it the year before.

Max Power1

yes but you didnt mention any caveats, you asked when was the last time a top player left!

And if there was no such thing as FA, do you think NE and TEN would have paid up to keep the like of Samuel and Haynesworth, if they were allowed (ie no cap restrictions if theres no FA allowed)? Of course they would have.

Chucky the tree

Max Power1 wrote: »

yes but you didnt mention any caveats, you asked when was the last time a top player left!

And if there was no such thing as FA, do you think NE and TEN would have paid up to keep the like of Samuel and Haynesworth, if they were allowed (ie no cap restrictions if theres no FA allowed)? Of course they would have.

Titans couldn't of franchised Albert if they wanted to. If you want to nit pick then fair enough I should of asked when was the last time a plyer left for nothing who could of been tagged - Asante is one but it doesnt happen very often at all. NE didn't franchise Samuel because they didn't want to keep for that money. Basically if Al wants to keep RS here next year he will, either extended his contract or franchise him and keep him or then let him leave for compensation. NE wouldn't of paid to keep samuel, titans would of but I think Al wanted to leave anyway.

Max Power1

Seymour now decides to report to OAK training.

Chucky the tree

New contract should be signed soon as well.

http://www.profootballcentral.com/2009/09/12/seymour-and-raiders-close-to-a-deal/