Should this be allowed

kajo

Do you think this should be allowed.... taking into account the PC people who don't like the irish and proud stickers.

This photo was taken on the Greenhills Road Dublin.



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Biggins

One rule for one lot and another for the rest. Welcome to Ireland and some internet forums! :rolleyes:

Black Lead

Would I be allowed to put up a sign saying White and Proud no but for some strange reason Black and Proud is ok.

ShooterSF

Yes. But then I would happily endorse a sign saying "White & Proud" so I'm guessing I'm not your target here

biko

I don't see an issue with that, nor do I see an issue with a shop called "Irish and proud".

phasers

If everyone was allowed be "_____ and proud" it would be grand. They aren't, so it's not.

ShooterSF

Magnus wrote: »

I don't see an issue with that, nor do I see an issue with a shop called "Irish and proud".

Or "white and proud" right?

There's no problem in being proud of your race and your heritage, the problem arises when you turn this pride into aggression and hatred; when the pride acts as the moving force behind bigotry and prejudice.

Shepherd3

ShooterSF wrote: »

Yes. But then I would happily endorse a sign saying "White & Proud" so I'm guessing I'm not your target here

Don't worry there'll be some catch all group you fall into.

ChocolateSauce

Of course it should be allowed!

White and proud should also be allowed, although it lacks the positive connotations of black solidarity.

kajo

I think Dunnes Stores have an ad that says "the difference is we're Irish" now try put that on a taxi and you can kiss your a** goodbye.

Black or white if it helps get a bit more work and is not intended to offend then go for it.

Joey the lips

Magnus wrote: »

I don't see an issue with that, nor do I see an issue with a shop called "Irish and proud".

Interesting thoughts though. I dont see an issue either but this is not saying africian and proud like your phrase irish and proud this is saying black and proud! If i wrote white and proud on the door of dunnes stores do you think many would object?

As for dunnes stores being irish! My asre!

Victor

Um, its a fashion based service. You do realise that people with different types of hair* and skin colour use different fashion and beauty products?


* The hair texture, is different, so cutting, styling, etc. needs to be different.

RealEstateKing

Theoretically of course, there shouldnt be any difference between saying "Black Pride" and saying "White Pride" , but in practice there is a difference.

Black Pride is something which is coming from a racial group which historically was considered inferior to whites, and treated as such for most of history - therefore Black Pride tends to have positive connotations, it being associated with largely positive things such as Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela, The Freedom Riders and so on.

For most of history, "White Pride" was a given, as white people pretty much ruled the planet in one form or another, and thus the phrase didn't need to be said - it was taken fo granted: As a result the phrase White Pride tends be associated with the triumphalism of already powerful people: The Nazis, British Skinheads, The Klu Klux Klan etc.

Of course this is leaving aside the idea that racial pride is pretty stupid in the first place. How on earth, to paraphrase Bill Hicks, can you be proud of something you had nothing to do with? I mean Im proud of my Leaving Cert Results, but My Irishness? Well my parents ****ed here, whats that got to do with anything?

In summation, I will indulge Black People the use of the rather silly term Black Pride, as some payoff for the fact that almost everywhere they live in poverty, misery and general-****ed-upness. And in reverse, I begrudge the use of the term by white people, as some sort of payoff for the fact that most of 'em live in nice cosy countries with running water, hospitals and free education.

As well as this , both should be allowed, there shouldnt be any law against having a White Pride sticker on your car, but of course there are no laws against being a simple-minded cretin, otherwise half the population would be in jail,

Dudess

Because of historical events, "proud to be white" is inherently far more threatening than "proud to be black".

Plus, it's natural for a persecuted group (historically or contemporaneously) to attach pride to that which makes them identifiable. I mean, I'm not patriotic, but I hugely sympathise with nationalists in Northern Ireland.

dvpower

Victor wrote: »

Um, its a fashion based service. You do realise that people with different types of hair* and skin colour use different fashion and beauty products?


* The hair texture, is different, so cutting, styling, etc. needs to be different.

Exactly. It isn't a political slogan. Its an ad for a fashion service.

florio

It's all about minorities and majorities. For white people in this country the issue of our skin colour is not something we are faced with every day. Our skin colour doesn't mark us out and cause friction or change in how anyone regards us, so we don't need to adopt an attitude towards it. But black people have to decide how to react to the differential treatment they get from a lot of people every day,from the slight retinence and awkwardness of the PC-conscious natives trying not to offend right through to the surly passive-aggressiveness of our resident racists. Such constant reminders you're different, even with no malice or intent in most of them, must be hard to take and makes taking a proud attitude towards race justifiable as a defence against what usually happens when somebody has a feature that marks them out of a group: developing guilt or shame of it. The divisiveness such a tactic can sometimes cause is regrettable, but unavoidable.

If a white person in this country started trumpeting their white pride, that would be different, as it wouldn't be a defensive act, but purely the antagonistic ugly side of the act.

Fratton Fred

In the case of a retailer selling beauty products for people of Afro-Caribbean origin, using the word Black in the title is little more than good marketing. No one complains that a shop that selling mainly Polish produce is called a Polski Sklep.

Victor

Fratton Fred wrote: »

No one complains that a shop that selling mainly Polish produce is called a Polski Sklep.

Because they don't know what it means?

Greyham

Magnus wrote: »

"Irish and proud".

to be fair, that is pretty much the dunnes stores slogan


edit: sorry , didnt see dunnes referene above

TiwstaSista

Just showing what they offer on their advertisement i think.

Max Headroom

..Mr.Black and Mr.Proud just would'nt look right would it.?.....:rolleyes:...just as well Mr.Black wasnt Mr. Gay........:p

Lifes too short guys..