Kids physically and sexually assault boys....

TheIrishGrover

In England. Horrifying. Not meaning to belittle this in any way whatsoever but which do you think the media/parents will blame first? Video games? movies? Rap music or the internet?


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/south_yorkshire/8233822.stm

Young brothers admit boys' attack

Two young brothers who lured two boys, aged nine and 11, to a South Yorkshire ravine before carrying out a brutal attack have admitted the assault.

At Sheffield Crown Court the brothers, aged 10 and 12, admitted causing grievous bodily harm with intent.

One of the victims also had a sink dropped on to his head during the attack in Edlington, near Doncaster.

The brothers were arrested on 4 April after the younger victim, covered in blood, escaped and raised the alarm.

Attempted murder charges over the attack were dropped by prosecutors.

Reports are being prepared on the boys ahead of a sentencing hearing, expected to be held in November.

The victims met their attackers as they played football in a park.

They were lured away by the brothers, who promised they would show them a toad they had found, but instead they were subjected to a horrific assault.

Jenny Hill, BBC News, Sheffield Crown Court The crimes that these brothers committed, the injuries they inflicted, were considered so severe that they were initially charged with attempted murder.

They pleaded not guilty to attempted murder but guilty to a lesser charge, grievous bodily harm.

The court has accepted that lesser charge.

The Crown Prosecution Service and South Yorkshire Police said they believe this is the right decision because of course it stops the victims having to relive the traumatic attack during a trial which would have taken certainly two or three weeks.

The decision was taken in accordance with the families of those victims, who say they are particularly relieved that the boys would not have to relive what had happened to them.

The maximum sentence for grievous bodily harm is the same as the maximum sentence for attempted murder, so the feeling here at the court is very much that the difference in charges really doesn't actually affect the outcome of this.

The older boy had a sink dropped on his head, one had a noose put around his head and one was burned with a cigarette on his eyelids and ear.

The younger boy had a sharp stick rammed into his arm and cigarettes pushed into the wound.

He also tried to ram a stick down his own throat after he was told to "go away and kill himself" by one of his attackers.

The pair, who were both seriously injured, had bricks thrown at them and were repeatedly stamped on.

The nine-year-old managed to stagger to a nearby house to raise the alarm, covered in blood from wounds to his head and arm.

The 11-year-old boy was later discovered unconscious in the nearby wood.

The brothers have each pleaded guilty to robbing one of the boys of a mobile phone and the other of cash.

They also admitted two counts of intentionally causing a child to engage in sexual activity.

The brothers were later charged with attempted grievous bodily harm with intent and making a threat to kill in connection with a separate attack on another 11-year-old boy in Doncaster a week earlier.

The pair had denied these offences, but each have pleaded guilty to a lesser charge of assault occasioning actual bodily harm.

The court heard the brothers picked a "discreet" location for the scene of their first attack, in trees by a stream.

“ I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die - that's what I kept repeating in my head ”
Victim of first attack

But they were interrupted by a passer-by.

The victim of that attack said: "They got me into these bushes, and then the fat one punched me.

"They stamped on my head. After, like, twenty minutes of them hurting me, this man came and said 'Oi, what you doing?'... and they said 'You've got twenty seconds to run' so I ran as fast as my little legs could carry me.

"I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die. That's what I kept repeating in my head."

A week later the brothers chose a "more isolated" place for the attack on the two boys.

The boys were led to a large mound of timber, described as a "den", which was hidden from public view, where some of their injuries were inflicted.

The brothers then moved their victims to a second site, at the foot of a 15ft ravine. It was here that a broken sink was used to inflict the more serious head injuries on the 11-year-old.

Det Supt Mick Mason said the victims suffered a "traumatic experience" but were "recovering well".

"The victims are still suffering, certainly mentally, and also recovering from the physical wounds," he said.

The mother of the eldest victim said she was "pleased" with the guilty pleas.

She said the families were not upset about the decision to accept pleas to lesser charges and she was happy the boys did not have to be put through a trial.

Nicholas Campbell QC, prosecuting, described the offences as "grave crimes".

The prosecutor said on the day of the second attack, the two brothers should have been at the police station being questioned about the earlier assault.

He said: "Instead, they went out and attacked [the two boys]."

The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) said the decision not to pursue the attempted murder charges was taken in consultation with the victims' families.

Doncaster Council said a serious case review was now under way to establish if there are lessons to be learned by any agency involved.

The judge, Mr Justice Keith, will visit the site of the attacks before the boys are sentenced.

Stark

Psychopaths have to start somewhere.

marko91

jesus...michael myers style killers when older huh?

That is fcuked up.They need to be put away for a long time.No PC bull****.Just in prison for the rest of their lives.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Wow... they are sooo young... :eek:

Makenzie Tart Streetcar

Makenzie Tart Streetcar wrote: »

Wow... they are sooo young... :eek:

Council house vermin to be honest.

Amalgam

Deleted User wrote: »

That is fcuked up.They need to be put away for a long time.No PC bull****.Just in prison for the rest of their lives.

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That is fcuked up.They need to be put away until they're eighteen, then sent to Australia with new identities protecting them.

Fixed that for you..

TheIrishGrover

Grand job, thanks for moving it. wasn't sure where to put it.

ChocolateSauce

I think their parents have some serious questions they need to answer.

Stark

Amalgam wrote: »

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The_Dazzler wrote:

That is fcuked up.They need to be put away until they're eighteen, then sent to Australia with new identities protecting them.

Fixed that for you..

Send them to Summer Bay. No-one pays attention the freakishly high death rate there.

Amalgam

My dig was at the 'punishment' the killers of James Bulger recieved, just in case you're not aware, they were given new identities to protect them.. and a media ban, with heavy penalties for breaking it, for good measure.

LadyJ

Amalgam wrote: »

My dig was at the 'punishment' the killers of James Bulger recieved, just in case you're not aware, they were given new identities to protect them.. and a media ban, with heavy penalties for breaking it, for good measure.

Eh that wasn't meant to be a punishment. They had to send them away to give them any chance of living a life without the media and the public hunting them down. A close eye is still kept on them by the authorities however.

Joycey

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Council house vermin to be honest.

You make me sick. I hope you lose your job, lose your house and get looked down on and sneered at by all the rich snobby pricks who you probably call your friends.

Where are the mods by the way? If the two kids were black and i came on and said "all those **** are rats" then wouldnt I be banned? Just cos he/shes being offensive to people who happen to be the same (presumably) skin colour doesnt make it all right.



Does no one else think that its sickening that societies answer to two boys who have clearly been utterly failed somewhere down the line, who are not yet old enough to be held entirely responsible for their actions, is to simply lock them up and throw away the key?

Stark

Joycey wrote: »

You make me sick. I hope you lose your job, lose your house and get looked down on and sneered at by all the rich snobby pricks who you probably call your friends.

You make me sick with your attitude to rich people. How do you know he's "rich"?

Joycey wrote: »

Does no one else think that its sickening that societies answer to two boys who have clearly been utterly failed somewhere down the line, who are not yet old enough to be held entirely responsible for their actions, is to simply lock them up and throw away the key?

I would like to hear your alternative suggestions.

metrovelvet

http://www.examiner.ie/ireland/boy-4-in-video-sex-act-case-yet-to-receive-counselling-99011.html

Seems to be going around. Any more news on the two dublin twelve year olds who made four year olds perform sex acts and videoed them?

soups05

according to the news these two young thugs were abandoned by thier father and raised by thier drug addict mother. she had nine children so lets hope the rest of them turn out ok.
as for how society failed them...society did'nt. its not up to society to raise them properly. they knew what they were doing was wrong which is why they picked a hidden location.

make the punishment fit the crime, do unto them etc. If i was the father of the victims i would be baying for blood. The injuries will heal in time but the mental scars will remain forever.these two thugs need to be locked up for the rest of thier lived to stop them doing it again.

A study of serial killers in the states showed that many started out with minor crimes before moving on, these two started out with a major crime...where will they go from here if they remain unpunished?

:mad:

cruiser178

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Council house vermin to be honest.

tut tut:mad:

philologos

Irrespective of social class which I don't think justifies anything. The blame is squarely at parents here for not dealing with this behaviour in a comprehensive enough manner beforehand. Both had been suspended from school, one had been known by the police before. People had foreknowledge of their behaviour. In my opinion they should have been dealt with by social services.

This is what comes from a blurring between rights and wrongs within society in general, and from a clear lack of moral and social education.

Dudess

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Council house vermin to be honest.

Why say/thank that? Seriously?

Joycey wrote: »

Does no one else think that its sickening that societies answer to two boys who have clearly been utterly failed somewhere down the line, who are not yet old enough to be held entirely responsible for their actions, is to simply lock them up and throw away the key?

Not sickening, but I suppose they are only kids - are they beyond redemption yet? Maybe, maybe not. I disagree that they're not old enough to be held entirely responsible for their actions though.
Raised by a drug addict, along with seven other children - Jesus...

Show_me_Safety

Dudess wrote: »

Why say/thank that? Seriously?

Not sickening, but I suppose they are only kids - are they beyond redemption yet? Maybe, maybe not. I disagree that they're not old enough to be held entirely responsible for their actions though.
Raised by a drug addict, along with seven other children - Jesus...

Of course they should be held responsible. Sad to say that their family situation is not unique but you don't see this sort of thing often. This is really tragic for the victims, my heart goes out to them. My little brother turned 11 today and the thought of this happening to him shakes me to the core. The children responsible should never have the opportunity to do this again and be locked up for home. No doubt

Show_me_Safety

i meant to say locked up for good not home...can't change it for some reason- stupid phone.

Also, i'm not sure how relevant class is to this discussion, maybe to the story but subject to another thread

miec

according to the news these two young thugs were abandoned by thier father and raised by thier drug addict mother. she had nine children so lets hope the rest of them turn out ok. as for how society failed them...society did'nt. its not up to society to raise them properly.

I'm afraid whether we like it or not children are society's problem if the parents abandoned them or don't care for them properly. If the parents don't give a **** what their children do then their children become everyone's problem. People say the parents should be made responsible, I agree but they may not care about their responsibility, and yes you could fine them/imprison them, but again their children become our problem. I don't know how you can deal with thuggish kids like this apart from locking them up for a period, they could be early psychopaths but they could be very ****ed up inside and full of anger, and if that is the case, they need some form of rehabilitation. As for blaming movies, games etc, they don't cause this sort of violence, some kids just have that badness in them, others become bad because of their environment. I sometimes think we have a misty eyed view of children, that they are all sweet, innocent and nice, some children are, some are horrible. Child cruelty against other children has always been around espicially amongst those children who are deprived of proper care.

Joycey

Joycey wrote: »

You make me sick. I hope you lose your job, lose your house and get looked down on and sneered at by all the rich snobby pricks who you probably call your friends.

Where are the mods by the way? If the two kids were black and i came on and said "all those **** are rats" then wouldnt I be banned? Just cos he/shes being offensive to people who happen to be the same (presumably) skin colour doesnt make it all right.



Does no one else think that its sickening that societies answer to two boys who have clearly been utterly failed somewhere down the line, who are not yet old enough to be held entirely responsible for their actions, is to simply lock them up and throw away the key?

Am. I am a student so I am constantly broke. Yes, you go heal the the sick boys.Poor kids having a junkie for a mother.Many children out there wo's moms are junkies who go on to lead a normal life.

Dudess

Dudess wrote: »

Why say/thank that? Seriously?

Originally in AH.

Amalgam

Here's the little **** bags. The Daily Mail weren't satisfied with just one hatchet job on their background, they went for 3.. bless.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1211070/Aged-10-11-brothers-known-sadistic-thugs-So-free-torture-innocent-boys.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1211284/Torture-brothers-free-18-Sadists-maimed-innocent-boys-given-lifelong-anonymity.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1210925/Schoolboy-torturers-left-young-boys-fighting-life-sickening-sex-assault-beatings.html

The_Dazzler is quite correct.