Should i complain friend to social welfare

kaykay27

K so a close family friend is on full dole and medical card while living at home with her parents- I was recently made redundant and when i asked her how she is claiming so much she told me that she initially told the social welfare that she was living at her grandmothers address- Her grandmother is partially blind so my friend is also claiming carers allowance- so at the mo she is on full dole,carers allowance and medical card even tho she is living at home with both parents (her brother is actually a county councillor) she actually turned around yesterday and told me she is able to save €190 per week-i feel horrible for thinking about complaining her as she is such a close family friend- what would you do?

Jackovarian

You could anonymously tip somebody off about it.

There are people out there who genuinely need help, and others who milk the system for all its worth.

Whats she doing with the money? Going out and getting hammered every weekend?

Max Power1

kaykay27 wrote: »

K so a close family friend is on full dole and medical card while living at home with her parents- I was recently made redundant and when i asked her how she is claiming so much she told me that she initially told the social welfare that she was living at her grandmothers address- Her grandmother is partially blind so my friend is also claiming carers allowance- so at the mo she is on full dole,carers allowance and medical card even tho she is living at home with both parents (her brother is actually a county councillor) she actually turned around yesterday and told me she is able to save €190 per week-i feel horrible for thinking about complaining her as she is such a close family friend- what would you do?

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Report them!!!!!!!!!!

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yabadabado

kaykay27 wrote: »

K so a close family friend is on full dole and medical card while living at home with her parents- I was recently made redundant and when i asked her how she is claiming so much she told me that she initially told the social welfare that she was living at her grandmothers address- Her grandmother is partially blind so my friend is also claiming carers allowance- so at the mo she is on full dole,carers allowance and medical card even tho she is living at home with both parents (her brother is actually a county councillor) she actually turned around yesterday and told me she is able to save €190 per week-i feel horrible for thinking about complaining her as she is such a close family friend- what would you do?

I dont think its possible to claim dole and carers allowance

report her .its annonymous

hayyman

kaykay27 wrote: »

K so a close family friend is on full dole and medical card while living at home with her parents- I was recently made redundant and when i asked her how she is claiming so much she told me that she initially told the social welfare that she was living at her grandmothers address- Her grandmother is partially blind so my friend is also claiming carers allowance- so at the mo she is on full dole,carers allowance and medical card even tho she is living at home with both parents (her brother is actually a county councillor) she actually turned around yesterday and told me she is able to save €190 per week-i feel horrible for thinking about complaining her as she is such a close family friend- what would you do?

Rat her out and anyone else you know

dresden8

yabadabado wrote: »

I dont think its possible to claim dole and carers allowance

report her .its annonymous

Might not be dole, could be scamming something else, sick possibly.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/categories/social-welfare/social-welfare-payments/carers/half-rate-carers-allowance

di2772

kaykay27 wrote: »

K so a close family friend is on full dole and medical card while living at home with her parents- I was recently made redundant and when i asked her how she is claiming so much she told me that she initially told the social welfare that she was living at her grandmothers address- Her grandmother is partially blind so my friend is also claiming carers allowance- so at the mo she is on full dole,carers allowance and medical card even tho she is living at home with both parents (her brother is actually a county councillor) she actually turned around yesterday and told me she is able to save €190 per week-i feel horrible for thinking about complaining her as she is such a close family friend- what would you do?

You sound a bit jealous to me rather than concerned about others milking the system.
Its an easy process to report her.

greendom

If this person really is a friend, surely you should speak to her first. Reporting her anonymously does not sound like the action of a a friend.

Tell her that she should go to social welfare and explain to them that she is no longer looking after he grandmother and needs to be re-assessed.

Tell her what she is doing is illegal and is in grave danger of being caught if she doesn't sort it herself.

If she doesn't and you feel strongly about it, then fair enough report her.

dresden8

greendom wrote: »

If this person really is a friend, surely you should speak to her first. Reporting her anonymously does not sound like the action of a a friend.

Tell her that she should go to social welfare and explain to them that she is no longer looking after he grandmother and needs to be re-assessed.

Tell her what she is doing is illegal and is in grave danger of being caught if she doesn't sort it herself.

If she doesn't and you feel strongly about it, then fair enough report her.

Her friend may well be able to put 2 and 2 together after that series of events.

greendom

dresden8 wrote: »

Her friend may well be able to put 2 and 2 together after that series of events.

Does it really matter ? If the OP does decide to report her, that's the end of the friendship anyway isn't it?

dresden8

greendom wrote: »

Does it really matter ? If the OP does decide to report her, that's the end of the friendship anyway isn't it?

Oddly enough, no.

TirNaNog.

The OP is a true loyal friend.

Xiney

This isn't so much a question for State Benefits at this stage.

The black & white answer is that you should report her, she is doing something wrong.

But since she's your friend it gets more complicated than that. You'll have to figure it out on your own.

If it was me personally, I wouldn't care less what she got. Look out for number one.


However, if she starts throwing it in your face that she's getting more than you and how smart she is for scamming them, report her for everything under the sun and secretly laugh at her behind her back. What goes around....

cee_jay

You can't claim full dole and carer's allowance as other posters have said.
This is turning more into a Personal Issue at this stage. You need to decide for yourself what you want to do, you are the one living with whatever decision you make at the end of the day. The black and white answer is she could be doing wrong and frauding the state, so report her. But if you cannot live with that on your conscience then it will be a tough thing to do.

Xiney

Moved to Personal Issues.

rustynutz

Personally I would mind my own business,if she is a friend I don't know how you could think about reporting her just because of jealousy,just my opinion.

bSlick

Yes report your close friend.

Also, while you're at it why don't you report your friends/family that don't pay their TV license, are working illegally abroad, do cocaine, drink and drive, etc...But you are not jealous of these lawbreaking friends/family, so what's the point?

lolli

You cant claim the dole and carers. She doesnt have to live with her grandmother to be her carer, she still could be the one going to keep an eye on her during the day.

Also if she was working then shes probably claiming her stamps which shes perfectly entitled to. If shes saving 190 a week then she must not have any loans bills etc which is lucky for her. Do you give her a break down of what your spending your dole money on?

dreadlocks

There's an anonymous hotline as far as I know where you can do this. Check out the department of social welfares website.

Aurora Borealis

No you definitely cannot claim Jobseekers and Carers concurrently. She may also have qualified for the Respite Care Grant and no you don't have to live full time with the caree but you have to be within easy access and have, at the very least, a phone in place for emergencies. Certainly, unless she is still claiming on her contributions - which can last almost a year, the fact that she is living at home means her parents means would come into account.

Personally it annoys the hell out of me to see people seriously milking the system and in my job I see people chancing their arm all the time and then others who are genuine but being put through the wringer because of the inordinate number of false claims.

All that said though I can't say I'd relish landing a friend in it either. Maybe let her know you don't agree and that it's bothering you and hope she does the right thing herself if she is in fact definitely in the wrong.

McCrack

I simply say to the Op to mind your own business.

Ratting is one thing but to do it on a 'friend' is just wrong (leaving legalities and morality out of it)

She isn't getting "The Dole"
If she is on some kind of illness benefit herself, she is entitled to claim half rate careers allowance. She doesn't have to be living with the grandmother.
It is possible she isn't telling you the full circumstances of her situation.

Personally I wouldn't risk a good friendship myself. If she is genuinely being fraudulent, the social welfare will catch her eventually, and she will have to repay the monies.

LegacyUser

kaykay27 wrote: »

told me she is able to save €190 per week-i feel horrible for thinking about complaining her as she is such a close family friend- what would you do?

im on the dole and i usually manage to save about €150 a week. No im not scamming anything else that im not entitled to. But i live at home, my mother asks for fifty a week and then i refuse to spend the rest on clothes, drink, socialising etc.. I prefer to not have a life for a while, so that in the event i dont get anything in the next few mths i can try my luck somewhere else. Are you going to report me too??

From your post, sounds like you are just jealous that she can save that much, but yet you dont seem to have too much idea of her circumstances other than what she saves.

Emme

This thread makes me so mad! I've been working all my life, paying my way and I've never been able to afford to save €190 a week. Many other people who are working are in the same boat. Slate me all you like, but I think that social welfare payments should be monitored more strictly. What is the point of working in this country? My taxes are going to people who are able to save more money from sitting on their backsides and claiming benefits than I, a working person can save :mad:

wexford202

You can report ane be anonoymous. I have family working in social welfar and they usually first of all send a letter to say they are updating records and a query has arisen regaiding their home address. Please provide proof of address by eans of utulity bills etc.

Other than that they will just say that it has arisen on their system that the benefits that are being claimed by one individual are clashing withother benefit payments and please contact the social welare asap.

The social welfare need the publics supporta nd will certainly not rat somenone out and never even let it be considered that someone was reported for this type of fraud.

iguana

A big concern to me here, if she is claiming to be living with her grandmother, who in reality lives alone. Is that there are allowances that elderly people get if they live alone and her grandmother may lose these. Bad as screwing over the state is, screwing over your own grandmother through greed and carelessness is unforgivable.

She may not be endangering the grandmother's allowances if she is claiming to live there part-time specifically to help her. But it would be a concern to me that she hasn't thought this through properly.

LegacyUser

bSlick wrote: »

Yes report your close friend.

Also, while you're at it why don't you report your friends/family that don't pay their TV license, are working illegally abroad, do cocaine, drink and drive, etc...But you are not jealous of these lawbreaking friends/family, so what's the point?

Maybe these other friends/family etc don't go around gloating about their law-breaking? And why would anyone (in Ireland) report somebody working abroad illegally? If they were still in Ireland, they'd be looking for a job that doesn't exist and eventually would have to go on the dole (as is their right). But what that basically translates to is another mouth for the government to feed. Which would put more strain on an already strained system.

pookie82

Did she ever work? If so, then you could look at it like this - she paid hundreds (most likely thousands) of euro in PAYE and PRSI while working (depending on how long she did this for) and may just be getting that back over time. The amount of time she has spent/intends to spend on the dole, her motivation in terms of getting back out into the work force at the first opportunity, and her attitude to what she is doing ("look at me scamming the state and having the last laugh" OR "I'm really stuck at the moment, this is a way for me to save the money I'll need for a deposit etc in the future") would probably sway me in my decision here.

But to be honest I don't think I would dob anyone in like this. The state needs to be more vigilant about the system and dobbing in one person who you're mates with will not undo the level of potential scamming going on at the moment until the proper measures to wipe it out are taken from the top.

Peewee_lane

Mind your own business and get on with your own life.

Only if her actions affected your actions would I think of taking any action.

Sticking your nose in it, because she has more money than you, its bitter and you will always carry the truth that you ratted her out with you.

I dont think what the girls doing is right, but you shouldnt get involved, if you do, you'll open a can of worms. The dole may demand every penny back from her.

IKOS

kaykay27 wrote: »

K so a close family friend is on full dole and medical card while living at home with her parents- I was recently made redundant and when i asked her how she is claiming so much she told me that she initially told the social welfare that she was living at her grandmothers address- Her grandmother is partially blind so my friend is also claiming carers allowance- so at the mo she is on full dole,carers allowance and medical card even tho she is living at home with both parents (her brother is actually a county councillor) she actually turned around yesterday and told me she is able to save €190 per week-i feel horrible for thinking about complaining her as she is such a close family friend- what would you do?

If she is receiving the carers allowance and her grandmother is aware I dont see what the problem is?

That payment is made for her grandmother, if she allows this to be spent on say a holiday, or save thats their business. I dont see what you can compalin about here.

Xiney

Posts who address the OP's question only from this point forward.

If you want to have a discussion on benefit cheats, please take it to humanities.




/Next off topic post gets the thread locked

Amy33

I'd mind my own business to be honest, the country is full of people like her and worse, it's pathetic, but that's life....

dny123456

+1 for trish above. Its common enough, I personally know 3. It's sickening but, we have a social welfare system that can be easily defrauded and a public sector unions who are more interested in entitlements and working conditions than putting anything right. I feel sorry for the few working in social welfare, who want to sort the system out, its nearly impossible. Better just to cut the amounts, imho. Fraud is endemic. Sicky anyone?