Who Do You Prefer - Week 12: Kane vs Big Show

Gerard.C

Week One - Stone Cold (49) b Ric Flair (5)
Week Two - The Rock (44) b Shawn Michaels (40)
Week Three - The Undertaker (36) drew with Bret Hart (36)
Week Four - Chris Jericho (58) b Rey Mysterio (7)
Week Five - Hulk Hogan (37) drew with Chris Benoit (37)
Week Six - Triple H (32) b John Cena (25)
Week Seven - Randy Savage (30) b Randy Orton (19)
Week Eight - The Dudleyz (35) b The Road Warriors (23)
Week Nine - CM Punk (30) b Samoa Joe (10)
Week Ten - Kurt Angle (41) b Jeff Hardy (16)
Week Eleven - DX (36) b nWo (14)

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Wahey! Let's see who wins this wan! Two fairly big names in fairness, tid be a shame to leave them out. Maybe Bounty Hunter might set up a prize for the person who gives the best reasoning for their choice

Kane definitely Big Show is 500 pounds of wasted potential. Even though I dont really like Kane either good comparisons between the two though.

Bounty Hunter

Gerard.C wrote: »

Wahey! Let's see who wins this wan! Two fairly big names in fairness, tid be a shame to leave them out. Maybe Bounty Hunter might set up a prize for the person who gives the best reasoning for their choice

you will win my respect... actually no i cant guarantee that

good choice again imo and both follow a similar trend career wise i.e used to be big (not just size wise) but seem to have lost their way somewhat as time has gone by. Id say Big Show has achieved far more but then again the question isnt who has the best record its who do you prefer and from what ive heard about Kane's (Glenn Jacobs) ideas about pushing young yalent, not wanting to end takers talent etc becuase he thought others could use the push more I gotta saw i like the big red fella, plus as a self confessed former Taker mark ive voted for Kane.


hope this doesent end up like the last thread designed to discuss Kane on here... although that was funny

Kane-N-Nite

Thats a tough one.....
Think I'll go with Kane for the laugh.

As I've said before, Kane is the one guy who made me want to watch WWF back in the day. He intrigued me, His character was intimidating, I loved his moves, His background, his relationship with The Undertaker, pretty much everything about late 90's Kane.

However a part of me died when he took off his mask, & it died for him too. Kane is no longer the reason I watch WWE, & has not been for a very long time. I've always admired The Big Show, but nothing he ever did appealled to me in a way Kane has.

I still root for Kane in any match he is in regardless if its a dead cert he will lose. I also admire the way Glen Jacobs has put up with the various crap handed out to him over the years, & still going relatively strong, in this, his 12th year as Kane.

So hands down: Kane.:)

Handsome Bob

Kane, purely because I was gripped as a kid by his whole gimmick and the saga between the Undertaker and Kane. I really rate from Bad Blood 97 to Wrestmania 14 to be some of the best material that both superstars have had.

Mr.Nice Guy

Both have been great and both have been bloody awful...but when Kane was at his peak he was a considerably hotter commodity (forgive the pun) than Big Show. Check this out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=no7SYGIFkRo

Big Show could never, and is unlikely to ever, hear a reaction like that.

Penn

Kane

When I first started watching WWF in early 2000, when it was on Channel 4, the first few weeks I thought 'Yeah, this is alright I suppose'. Then on one episode of Heat, they showed clips of this:

This is my first memory of Kane, and it blew me away, and is partially why I continued to watch wrestling. Since then, I've been a huge Kane fan. He's had some terrible moments, and lately he's been put in terrible fueds and is definitely past his best. But I still like him. Can't help it.

Big Show was alright, but I can't think of one fued or storyline of his that I enjoyed. He was always thrown in because of his size. And how many finishing moves has he had over the years?

Penn

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Both have been great and both have been bloody awful...but when Kane was at his peak he was a considerably hotter commodity (forgive the pun) than Big Show. Check this out:

Big Show could never, and is unlikely to ever, hear a reaction like that.

haha, SNAP!

currythis

I cant and never could stand The Big Show,a huge dissapointment ever since he joined the WWF and he wasnt all that much better in WCW,though at least in his WCW days he seemed to give a crap about his performances.

Not a big Kane fan either but for a guy who once played a maniacal dentist he has done pretty well for himself and rarely has an awful match which is pretty good feat for a guy his size,I much preferred him with his mask and creapy voice box voice though.

SlickRic

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Big Show could never, and is unlikely to ever, hear a reaction like that.

nail on head. nothing to add to this really; sums it up.

there was a time i cared about Kane. never gave 2 shites about Show. never. my lasting memory of him is this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCdfWNCZWS8

Kess73

Kane. Was very cool in his mask days, and although he is a shadow of those days now, he can still have a good match when needed, and has always been good at putting people over.

DM_7

Kane for me was a great guy to have in WWE over the years,

Competing with kane and coming out on top was able to make a star out of someone. The mask and Black and red drew me towards his chrachter and the sense of wonder the mask created made him an interesting persona.

Kane is a big and intimidationg personality you could believe was going to defeat whoever he came up against.

The best thing about Kane was, as big and intimidating as he was he was/is able to make a guy beating him look believable, I don't think Big Show was/is able to do that.

D.Q

I voted for Kane.

Always cared way more about him than Big Show, It was his whole character, his persona really drew me in.

dya reckon he'll ever put back on the mask?

chopperbyrne

I don't really like either of them, but if I had to keep one, it'd be Show because he can be good on the mic.

EDIT: Although they did provide one of the best matches ever!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=befaueaWDPA

SlickRic

DieselQueen wrote: »

dya reckon he'll ever put back on the mask?

i'd mark out like a screaming 9yr old.

ayatollah

kane by a country mile. i'd be enourmously suprised if the big fat waste of space gets even 1 vote.

the man is a joke.

to call him an athlete is an insult to anyone who competes at any level.

someone already said he hasn't given a **** for years - hence his physical condition and the sub par repetitiveness of all his matches.

i think kane on the otherhand seems to be willing to elevate other and often refers to his title reign as his proudest achievement in wrestling ( which criminally only lasted only 1 night).

Kane + 1:D

SlickRic

ayatollah wrote: »

often refers to his title reign as his proudest achievement in wrestling ( which criminally only lasted only 1 night).

it wasn't quite criminal now.

his feud with Austin wasn't drawing as well as they had hoped, and they didn't trust him with the title; a title Austin had made red hot. maybe it was knee-jerk, but they weren't ready to take the risk; at a time when they were still fighting with WCW.

Undertaker had to be added to the mix in order to keep people's interest.

i'm not taking away from his accomplishment; some of the reactions he garnered back in 99/00 meant he deserved to wear the strap, if only briefly, but business was business, and Austin was the man.

D.Q

I dunno. I think a post undertaker retirement storyline, involving putting the mask back on Kane would be good.

Have him involved in Undertakers retirement storyline, when Undertaker goes at WM presumably, have Kane written out as well.

Summerslam arrives. Title match over, as the champion celebrates in the ring have kanes pyro hit, and have him, fully masked,old suit etc walk to the ring and chokeslam the champ, putting him straight back into the main event scene.

Penn

He'd have to grow the hair back though if he was putting the mask back on. I don't think he'd look that great without hair

Handsome Bob

paddyirishman85 wrote: »

He'd have to grow the hair back though if he was putting the mask back on. I don't think he'd look that great without hair

Was he not wearing a wig attached to the mask towards the end?

Penn

LZ5by5 wrote: »

Was he not wearing a wig attached to the mask towards the end?

I thought that was only for the episode where he took off the mask. I think he had his real hair up til then, although I may be wrong.

D-FENS

Kane for Badd Blood '97 alone

jossnjuice

D-FENS wrote: »

Kane for Badd Blood '97 alone

absolutely. nail on head again!!

grames_bond

they are both a shell of their former selves but kane was always one who intrigued you, from the first HIAC match where he made his appearance, to the amazing bad blood 97 he was brilliant, show just didnt give us these moments! also it is clear that kane is the only one out of the 2 who really gives a f*ck at the moment!

D-FENS

grames_bond wrote: »

from the first HIAC match where he made his appearance, to the amazing bad blood 97

That's the same thing is'nt it? or do you mean the 1st HIAC he actually wrestled in?

big syke

Kane. He was awsome in the early days so athletic and agile and great character too.

JP Liz

Def Kane

grames_bond

D-FENS wrote: »

That's the same thing is'nt it? or do you mean the 1st HIAC he actually wrestled in?

sorry you are right, total brain fart this morning.....i meant the night he won the title, i loved the whole build up to that match, including the "if i dont win the title i will set my self on fire" stipulation....really great build up and made the match better!

Bounty Hunter

grames_bond wrote: »

sorry you are right, total brain fart this morning.....i meant the night he won the title, i loved the whole build up to that match, including the "if i dont win the title i will set my self on fire" stipulation....really great build up and made the match better!

iirc that stip was only added late on because it wasnt selling well as was, hense people saying they didnt give Kane a proper run as they didnt think itd draw.

KOTR 98 was that ppv same one that had Undertaker vs Foley (Mankind) HIAC

Penn

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

iirc that stip was only added late on because it wasnt selling well as was, hense people saying they didnt give Kane a proper run as they didnt think itd draw.

KOTR 98 was that ppv same one that had Undertaker vs Foley (Mankind) HIAC

Yeah, imagine how well it would have sold if people knew what was going to happen with THAT match

rossie1977

don't like either so not voting, but at least big show has given us the mayweather thing and the shaq showdown recently both made sports news around the world, i cannot remember anything kane of real note did last decade to be honest outside some terrible storylines like katie vick/fake kane

Cactus Col

I'm tempted to go for Big Show, because he's a bastard and his momma said so, but have always liked the Big Red Machine. WWE seemed intent on ruinning him with terrible storylines, but through it all he remains an upper mid card threat

ayatollah

SlickRic wrote: »

it wasn't quite criminal now.

his feud with Austin wasn't drawing as well as they had hoped, and they didn't trust him with the title; a title Austin had made red hot. maybe it was knee-jerk, but they weren't ready to take the risk; at a time when they were still fighting with WCW.

Undertaker had to be added to the mix in order to keep people's interest.

i'm not taking away from his accomplishment; some of the reactions he garnered back in 99/00 meant he deserved to wear the strap, if only briefly, but business was business, and Austin was the man.

alirght i probably got a bit carried away with myself there but it's got to be a bit **** to loose the title 24hrs later.

plus he's a better worker than some of the other clowns they have put the strap on or attempted to push into the picture.

they really have missed so many opportunities to do something decent with him.

oh and seeing as how we're comparing fave kane moments - i always like the bit in a tag match with taker - i think it was a steel cage one against ddp and kanyon during the invasion angle where he just sat up on the turnbuckle while the undertaker was handing out a whoopin.

chopperbyrne

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5IZ3BMmNJY

It's brilliant how Rock and King on commentary say it at the same time.

Actually, can I change my vote to Kane. I completely forgot about his comedy phase!

rossie1977

chopperbyrne wrote: »

Actually, can I change my vote to Kane. I completely forgot about his comedy phase!

wights a funnier guy than jacobs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKuLtK7HKJ8

Lone Kimono

I pick Kane.

What I always notice on threads about Kane is people saying that when they removed the mask it killed his character. Which is strange because at the time everyone seemed to think he NEEDED to remove the mask because his character was stale. It was the Undertakers character which got me interested in wrestling when I was a kid, I loved it, I'd watch wrestling just to get a glimpse of Taker, so it was only natural I would also love the mysterious monster Kane.

But Kane hasn't been much good since about 2001. More so because everytime WWE gave Kane a push they managed to mess it up, one example being the Katy Vick storyline. Everytime it looks like they might do something interesting with Kane you end up feeling let down, another example being the storyline with the second Kane which they dropped without a word about it. I could go on. How about the time he made his comeback and was in the ring with Booker T and started to do a "Kanearoonie. Another example of them killing one of the greatest characters they ever had.

For those that don't remember or have erased that memory from their brains, here ya go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqXoJn9ZmS8

Kane was unreal when he was pushed as a huge monster, where he could could take out 5 or 6 wrestlers at once, where everyone was frightened of him, he was a monster. By far the best big man they have in the WWE, over the last 8 years they have let his character become stale and more of a joke. The Kane character died years ago, before the mask was ever removed, what a waste.

rossie1977

Lone Kimono wrote: »

By far the best big man they have in the WWE, over the last 8 years they have let his character become stale and more of a joke. The Kane character died years ago, before the mask was ever removed, what a waste.

ah no, what about a certain undertaker when has kane come close to the quality of matches taker has had over the past 13 years?

glen jacobs was always isaac yankem or fake diesel to me, just because vince put a red mask and pair of elevator boots on him and billed him at 7ft tall :rolleyes: didn't change the fact

Lone Kimono

rossie1977 wrote: »

ah no, what about a certain undertaker when has kane come close to the quality of matches taker has had over the past 13 years?

glen jacobs was always isaac yankem or fake diesel to me, just because vince put a red mask and pair of elevator boots on him and billed him at 7ft tall :rolleyes: didn't change the fact

Forgot about Taker for some reason.:D Fair point. Yes Kane might not be the best wrestler, but its not all about your skill level between the ropes, if it were the history of champions would be very different to what it is now. Kane's character was one of the best in the Attitude era, he was one of the main wrestlers in the WWE during that time. Its a shame they diluted his character and made him a laughing stock.

Penn

One of my favourite Kane moments is the Royal Rumble 2001, where he eliminated 11 people. It was when The Honky Tonk Man came in and started playing the guitar. Kane grabbed the guitar off him and smashed him over the head. That Rumble was one of Kanes finest moments

chopperbyrne

They always make Kane look like a huge threat in the Rumble, but you know he's never going to win it.

He either eliminates loads of people or singlehandedly eliminates someone big, like when he scoop slammed Show over the ropes one year.

Penn

chopperbyrne wrote: »

They always make Kane look like a huge threat in the Rumble, but you know he's never going to win it.

He either eliminates loads of people or singlehandedly eliminates someone big, like when he scoop slammed Show over the ropes one year.

Yeah. If it was anyone else other than Stone Cold he was left with in 2001 I would have thought he'd win it, but everyone knew Stone Cold would win it that year

Riddle101

I'm a huge fan of Kane so Kane for me. Although I do like Big Show as well, especially now that he's with Jericho. But Kane 1997-2003 was a legend, even after he took the mask off he was still pretty cool, he had a nice feud with shane McMahon and his rampage was so cool, taking down people like Linda McMahon, Eric Bishoff and Stone Cold was such a great way to get him over, but sadly it didn't last lonf. He was red hot and I only wished they had given him a proper run with the world heavyweight championship. As well as that Kane is a really nice guy in real life who never seems to have any problems with jobbing to young talent, and helping them get over. He's also pretty good in the ring, I think his match with Kurt Angle at Wrestlemania 18 was proberly his best match ever, but he always had good matches with guys like Undertaker, Beniot, Jericho and Stone Cold.

Bounty Hunter

Ger.C wasnt online for a while (Hense Flah started the next - who do you prefer thread) so it seems the winner of this one was never revealed, so ill do so now. The winner was....

Kane! in a lanslide 45 - 11 victory

Gerard.C

****e forgot all about it, good man Bounty boy

Gerard.C

Actually, would anyone on here be interested in continuing the who do you prefer thing? I prob wont be on much over the next few weeks with college looming and the lack of internet for the time being. Anyone?

Red Sleeping Beauty

LZ5by5 wrote: »

Kane, purely because I was gripped as a kid by his whole gimmick and the saga between the Undertaker and Kane. I really rate from Bad Blood 97 to Wrestmania 14 to be some of the best material that both superstars have had.

The Badd Blood appearance was great. Although , the music and pyro weren't in sync and the pyro on the ringposts failed a bit and then he fudged getting Taker into the tombstone - that could've been Taker's fault though.

Kane was pushed as super over which was of course needed. Kane I thought suffered a bit after that though but they still kept him relatively strong for the rest of the year.

ayatollah wrote: »

kane by a country mile. i'd be enourmously suprised if the big fat waste of space gets even 1 vote.

the man is a joke.

to call him an athlete is an insult to anyone who competes at any level.

someone already said he hasn't given a **** for years - hence his physical condition and the sub par repetitiveness of all his matches.

i think kane on the otherhand seems to be willing to elevate other and often refers to his title reign as his proudest achievement in wrestling ( which criminally only lasted only 1 night).

Kane + 1:D

WWF totally dropped the ball with Big Show. In WCW he was pushed as an Andre clone and was over for a good while. As soon as he came in (to the WWF) he was relegated to the sidelines to squabble with Mankind. Then they paired him with Taker for the rub but he still looked ****e and then when they put the strap on him it was laughable cause he'd no one to wrestle other than Boss Man. Similar stuff went on for years. He got a massive 10 year contract and let his health slide and any slight opurtunity he got he messed up. Lesnar and Angle probably got the best out of him.
* mind you I've not seen much of what he's done in the last few years.


PS. went for Kane just cause he's at least made the odd decent bit of entertainment out of what he was given, at least in the earlier years of the character.

Nody

The black wedding story line with the diva put Kane in my book of favorites for ever so yea, easy choice for me. The fact Kane is also a very sane person, has taken a lot of crap and still continued and comes over as the kind of person you'd like to work with...

Now Big Show has never done a whole lot for me in the first place and now and his come back was well...