Salmon admits to throwing fight so he could work with Wolfslair

MrStuffins

When i read this, i actually felt sick. IMO, the man is pathetic

I left England and was given a very serious warning: "If you get hurt in that fight, don't bother coming back." My opponent for the fight was 6-6, so obviously getting back to England to learn and train with some of the best was my priority.

Seeing how my opponent had just a 6-6 record, I figured I could easily bully him into rolling over for me, collect the easy win, and return to England. But it didn't happen that way at all. Someone forgot to tell my opponent to roll over and quit.

I handled him very easily for the entire first round. He was able to land one very good elbow to my temple. I am embarrassed to admit that my first thought was that, "If he cut me and I can't go back to England, this is not worth it." How in the world could I be in a fight and think that if I got cut, it is not worth the win?

In the second round, I took him down again. He went for an armbar, I defended it (only to prove to myself that he couldn't get it), and then I put my arm back in to give him the win so that I could return to England, healthy. Just so you all know, that is the most embarrassing thing that I have ever admitted out loud.

The whole thing can be found here.

What are yiur opinions on this?

siochain

something is up with that link, when clicked on your get a reply box !!!

siochain

siochain wrote: »

something is up with that link, when clicked on your get a reply box !!!

Fixed.


I didn't realise the training at Wolfslair was THAT good!

roo1981

Not the brightest thing he could have said. If an athletic comission takes that up the wrong way he could be looking at big problems...

Could just say it was a crappy excuse for losing...though as Neil said, the Wolfslair? Cmon :rolleyes:

rovert

Not exactly throwing a fight he just gave up.

roo1981

"In the second round, I took him down again. He went for an armbar, I defended it (only to prove to myself that he couldn't get it), and then I put my arm back in to give him the win so that I could return to England, healthy"

Sounds a lot more like throwing than giving up to me...

dunkamania

I would read it as being closer to giving up, as he went in with the intention of winning.

He just didnt want to be there, he was looking for a way out.
I have followed his career since he left the UFC, and his mental game has shown signs of weakness. I think this is one revalation, that he should have kept to himself.

angeldance

Why would anyone ever admit to giving up? And why did he take the fight in the first place if he was willing to give up? Was he going for a big fight after that he couldn't get hurt?

cowzerp

Sticking his arm back in was quitting and cheating to me, that is so embarrassing and he should not be allowed to fight again IMO.

MrStuffins

If the guy kept his original armbar and Salmon decided to give up without being in anger, then fine. But to take it out, then put it back in to intentionally lose the fight, that's throwing the fight in my book!

Fozzy

cowzerp wrote: »

Sticking his arm back in was quitting and cheating to me, that is so embarrassing and he should not be allowed to fight again IMO.

Cheating? How is it cheating?!

I don't see it as that much different from fights where a guy just gives up in the middle of it without being locked in a submission hold or taking a load of heavy blows. Some guys would rather quit than take any more of a beating for the sake of their life or careers and I think that's what Salmon did here

cowzerp

Fozzy wrote: »

Cheating? How is it cheating?!

I don't see it as that much different from fights where a guy just gives up in the middle of it without being locked in a submission hold or taking a load of heavy blows. Some guys would rather quit than take any more of a beating for the sake of their life or careers and I think that's what Salmon did here

If you genuinely believe that then we're clearly on different pages, he cheated and there is no 2 ways about it.

dunkamania

I see it as more of a fight or flight response that was abnormal.

His mental concentration broke, and he wanted out of there.

Stupid question, but what rule did he break?

Update:

Sherdog: The passage causing controversy is when you say he went for an armbar, you defended it, then you put your arm back out there knowing he’d secure it again. You said you did that to "give him the win." Is that a statement you stand by?

Salmon: Not exactly. I’m certainly not backtracking, but I should’ve worded it like—I didn’t fight that armbar with everything I had. That’s how I should’ve worded it. He got my arm, put me in a tricky position, and I felt like I could’ve defended it, but in my head I was already quitting, already giving up. I had more fight in me. That’s the only way to explain it. I had more fight in me. I wasn’t done. Bottom line, I took the coward’s way out.
....
Sherdog: But people are going to say you’re backpedaling because of the controversy that’s come down.

Salmon: I can see why you’d say that. I’m setting the record straight. When I wrote that column, the last thing in the world I thought would be an issue is the armbar. I didn’t take the time to think it out and write exactly what I was feeling at that exact moment. I thought the focus on the article would be about putting your life back together.

The Ohio commission are talking suspension also

roo1981

I thought they would do...still cant get over the stupidity of this mutt. I can kind of understand why he did it going by his second statement, I just cant believe he was thick enough to write about it in his original article.

If he wanted to quit so bad, I dont see why he had to put himself back into an armbar...should have just tapped when he got caught. Shows a horrible disrespect to his opponent as well-he's basically saying he would have whupped him but he wasnt that bothered.

Dunkamania, he didnt break any rule per se, but the comission is going to come down on his ass, and proper order too-if only for bringing the game into disripute. If a player in any other sport, footie, rugby, boxing admitted to such foolishness id imagine they'd be hauled before their governing body in similar fashion.

dunkamania

Fair point

Something that hasnt been brought up before. Its possible he got caught in an armbar legitmately, and is trying to make excuses to himself on why he lost. As in, in his mind, he didnt get caught by a better fighter, he let himself get caught. Just a thought.

Valmont

Meh. This stuff could be happening all the time only in this case Salmon was stupid enough to tell us.

MrStuffins

Valmont wrote: »

Meh. This stuff could be happening all the time only in this case Salmon was stupid enough to tell us.

Yeah, by that token, every goalkeeper in the Premier League could be throwing matches every week...... it's just HIGHLY unlikely!

roo1981

His opponents take on the whole thing...

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/salmons-opponent-weickert-speaks-on-tainted-victory-19575

wandy

I can understand wanting to work with Wolfslair but to throw a fight so easy AND to admit it seems pretty pathetic. Possibly making excuses just because his opponent was in better condition and he couldnt handle the loss??