Haye n Valuev

TechnoPool

Surley giving up 8 stone and almost a foot has to be too much for haye to handle?


Thoughts on this?

spongeman

TechnoPool wrote: »

Surley giving up 8 stone and almost a foot has to be too much for haye to handle?


Thoughts on this?

And Haye is the favourite with Paddy Powers...........

Interesting that by pulling out of the last fight Haye may see this one as easier, however the only way Haye can win is on points ? Its like David vs Goliath, however I think if Valuev hits him clean its over.

Valuev KO.

TechnoPool

ye i cant see haye winning this at all.

round 6-8 Valuev Ko, i feel he will wear haye down with his shear size.

joepenguin

Whcihever way you look at it its a serious step up for haye and he has never fought an opponent like Valuev. He hasnt fought a big punching heavyweight, nor a heavyweight in their prime while being world class. So this it totally new for him.

However if Valuev cant properly beat a 46 year old Holyfield then he is going to have problems with Hayes talent.

A very interesting clash of styles. I hope Haye wins though.

Rodgrigez

Id agree with joepenguin Valuev struggled to impress against a very very old and only in it for the pay-day Holyfield. Correct me if im wrong but Holyfield and Haye would be of the same size and build.

In saying all that Valuev is never in a good fight but he gets the job done why should the Haye fight be any different.

It ill be interesting to see how Haye approaches the fight, cuz lets face it we know what Valuev is gonna do...

itouchmyself

joepenguin wrote: »

Whcihever way you look at it its a serious step up for haye and he has never fought an opponent like Valuev. He hasnt fought a big punching heavyweight, nor a heavyweight in their prime while being world class. So this it totally new for him.

However if Valuev cant properly beat a 46 year old Holyfield then he is going to have problems with Hayes talent.

A very interesting clash of styles. I hope Haye wins though.

Ye but Holyfield aint called the "Warrior" for nothing him and Haye are a different gene pool altoghether.... Holyfield has a chin of granite and a will off steel..... has Haye???? no hes a punchers chance but Valuev's to big.

nacho libre

clearly if Haye has trouble taking the punches of a cruiserweight what's going to happen when a seven foot behemoth hits him? granted Valuev may not hit as hard as his size may suggest he does, but Haye will find out he still hits a hell of a lot harder than anything he is used to. Another factor is that Valuev seems to have a solid chin so if Haye can't dent it, no matter how slick he is on his feet, i think he's going to get caught by Valuev at some stage.

cowzerp

Rodgrigez wrote: »

Id agree with joepenguin Valuev struggled to impress against a very very old and only in it for the pay-day Holyfield.

Holyfield is 1 of the wealthiest boxers ever and did not blow his money like many others, he certainly does not box for the money and was trying to unify the titles, crazy but the man is a legend and just loves to fight, a true warrior and above money.

Rodgrigez

cowzerp wrote: »

Holyfield is 1 of the wealthiest boxers ever and did not blow his money like many others, he certainly does not box for the money and was trying to unify the titles, crazy but the man is a legend and just loves to fight, a true warrior and above money.

Dude sorry to burst your bubble but i think it was last year his gaff had to be auctioned off, there was the whole legal thing with that steroids and HGH issue the man does have financial difficulties.

The Valuev fight was probably one of the most boring fights ive ever seen and if it was a show case for boxing know one would ever watch the sport. Holyfield was no more interested in winning any title in that fight then the man on the moon, he looked so not interested.

I agree Holyfield is a legend and a true warrior and money was never his motivation. But beating Valuev or winning a title was not his motivation in that fight, sorry

itouchmyself

Yeah that was last year his house was auctioned and was in dept but Back on topic Haye is no Holyfield!!
I think as much a better boxer Haye is to Valuev, Valuev is going to be to big and Hayes chin wont hold I see it being stopped.

Rodgrigez

Agreed Haye is no Holyfield, but the point is if Valuev fights as bad as he did in his fight with Holyfield, Haye will win! Think Valuev threw about 6 punches in that whole fight, and Holyfield about 7 punches. Haye will definately be more active.

Think Haye watched that fight and thought I could beat this guy and think he has more of a chance then people think. Haye on points for me.....

Daroxtar

People are saying Haye has no chin but i think its not that bad. He was weight drained in his fight against Thompson and his corner threw in the towel even though i thought he could have continued. Mormeck hit him with cracking shots to hurt him but he still got up to knock him out and i cant see Valuev being crisp enough or fast enough to do the same. Barrett only managed to trip him and then hit him a dirty shot as he was sitting on the floor. Macrinelli bearly dented him at all.

Haye should be able to run rings around Valuev. He has the speed of a middleweight and he genuinely has power. Haye by a wide points margin (unless the german judging plays up again) and dont be surprised if he lands enough big shots to seriously hurt if not even stop Valuev. The only thing maybe stopping Haye is not his chin but the possibility of breaking his hands and being forced to fight one handed on the outside against a guy a foot taller.

H. Flashman

Valuev is pure useless - Haye will be bouncing shots off his chin all night

Jason Mc

apparently they are buddies

TechnoPool

That picture is Gas.


Das Boot!

itouchmyself

H. Flashman wrote: »

Valuev is pure useless - Haye will be bouncing shots off his chin all night

Yea but hes a monster and anyone that size throwing a punch it will be hard and he can take a dig. While aul Hayes is obviously better his chin is'nt 100% hes to small and wont last the whole fight without getting caught!

cowzerp

Valuev can box and if he lets his hands go then haye is getting knocked out early, haye been succesful would be good for heavyweight boxing but its not going to happen.

T-K-O

Haye can definitely out box this guy - but we all know Haye looks for big shots and early victories.

He needs to fight smart in this. The size difference is fascinating, I cant wait.

Juwwi

I dont know much about boxing but after reading this thread
opinion seems to be if valuev wins it will be by a knock out.

He is 11/2 in the bookies to win by a KO or TKO.
That must be a great bet.

Hes 7/4to win the fight.

H. Flashman

Despite his size I don't think Valuev's chin is as good as you would think he's been rocked before - also his punching technique is all wrong he doesn't get half as much power behind the shots as someone like wlad k. He also has some 'misguided' sense of fairness and usually doesn't use his massive bulk to lean on guys and wear them down. He tries to box and there in will set the seeds of his downfall.

All that being said if he lands cleanly on Haye theres little doubt haye will go down.

I certainly don't think Haye is too small. Chag is smaller than Haye so too Holyfield and they both outboxed the big guy. As a heavy Haye weighs in the same ball park as Tyson he's not too small It reminds me of Baer v Carnea only even more extreme and look how one sided that ended up. My vote is Haye to win and quite possibly inside the distance I don't care how big you are you keep getting hit by a guy with decent power like Haye and you will go down.

Should be a fascinating fight and could easily go the other way as if valuev cathes Haye it will be all over. Even though its in germany can't see Valuev winning on points Haye will be much too far ahead in that area and though they can get away with giving tight decisons to Valuev they couldn't give one that was completly lopsided to him.