August sales boom for US car firms because of SCRAPPAGE

cvisser

When or ye maybe it's toooooo Late, The Irish Government had the opportunity to give us Scrappage and never did, Look how Sales have Boomed in every Country that Government has Introduced Scrappage,

Upsets me so much, The Government takes the eazy way out in my opinion and we just pay more Tax's/levy's/health cuts/education cut's/, and the scrappage would have been such a good Revenue for them!

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/0902/breaking11.htm

Anan1

The US make cars though, we don't.

Matt Simis

Did you post in black text? Anyone using the swisher dark themes cant see the text..
Like how this is hard to read on white background.

KerranJast

A scrappage deal would just be subsidising foreign manufacturers. The US scrappage deal has meant a massive chunk of cash for Toyota and the Federak Govt is dragging its heels paying out dealers. The Irish Government cannot afford to build schools, improve hospitals, finish the motorway network etc. Pandering to the Irish dealer network is very, very low priority atm.

gears

KerranJast wrote: »

A scrappage deal would just be subsidising foreign manufacturers. The US scrappage deal has meant a massive chunk of cash for Toyota and the Federak Govt is dragging its heels paying out dealers. The Irish Government cannot afford to build schools, improve hospitals, finish the motorway network etc. Pandering to the Irish dealer network is very, very low priority atm.

Subsidising foreign manufacturers it may be but I would also be supporting the Irish motor industry and all the jobs that are in that sector, from mechanics and reception staff to all our favourite the sales staff. Also would this not be in large part revenue neutral for the Government as any payment in a scrappage scheme would be recouped in vat and vrt, assuming that those taking up the offer would not have bought a new Irish car otherwise.

Drummerboy08

The fact that the majority of Irish vehicles are in too good a condition to scrap would foil it here.

KerranJast

gears wrote: »

Subsidising foreign manufacturers it may be but I would also be supporting the Irish motor industry and all the jobs that are in that sector, from mechanics and reception staff to all our favourite the sales staff. Also would this not be in large part revenue neutral for the Government as any payment in a scrappage scheme would be recouped in vat and vrt, assuming that those taking up the offer would not have bought a new Irish car otherwise.

The total scrappage discount paid out by the Government to entice people to buy new cars in the current climate would more than exceed any VAT/VRT they bring in. Nobody in their right mind would go buying a new car at the moment.

Saab Ed

Everybody benefits when the car industry is doing well, just like the builders. Resenting dealers for doing well is beside the point, fact is that if lots of new cars are sold then lots of taxes are collected , lots of people end up with more income and lots more money is spent. What happened in this country over the last decade is not the right way to run an economy and things got out of control. That doesnt mean that you dont give a very large and important industry a leg up when its down. This is how recovery starts, it wont by just sitting on your hands. The important thing at government level though is to know when to cool the jets. Anyway IMO it could be called an Eco Upgarde or something like that where by the older car doesnt get scraped but instead if its past a certain age you would get a VRT rebate for trading in for a low Co2 car. Motor industry sells more cars, more taxes collected, less social welfare paid out, more eco friendly cars on the road and valuable re-use of older cars and loosening up the used market. Just a thought.

PS. Its the begruding attitude that really pi$$es me off about this country. So what if dealers do well out of it. For the begrudgers then get up off your ar$e and open a car dealer.

Tipsy Mac

Stricter enforcement of the NCT to promote car maintenance and sales would be better overall and keep more money within the country.

Zube

Saab Ed wrote: »

Everybody benefits when the car industry is doing well, just like the builders.

Nonsense. Money spent on building largely stays in this country. We don't have a motor industry, we have some motor retailing and servicing. The motor industry is in Germany, France, the UK, Italy, Japan, and Korea. Encouraging consumers to buy new cars is encouraging them to ship bales of money abroad, wholesale. It would be a mad thing for the Government to do.

Saab Ed

Zube wrote: »

Nonsense. Money spent on building largely stays in this country. We don't have a motor industry, we have some motor retailing and servicing. The motor industry is in Germany, France, the UK, Italy, Japan, and Korea. Encouraging consumers to buy new cars is encouraging them to ship bales of money abroad, wholesale. It would be a mad thing for the Government to do.

We dont have any motor industry in this country!!!!!!!!! This is a waste of time on you thats all I'll say

KerranJast

Saab Ed wrote: »

We dont have any motor industry in this country!!!!!!!!! This is a waste of time on you thats all I'll say

The motor "industry" in Ireland is a side business as one of the other posters said. If I pay €20K for a new car the vast majority of that money is going to the foreign manufacturer, the International dealer network that arranged the export of the car from the country of origin to Ireland and the delivery companies that shipped the car along the chain. Very little filters down to the employees of garages in Ireland.

ardmacha

The government would be better to keep a programme of minor labour intensive roadworks going on. God knows there is plenty to be done.

Matt Simis

KerranJast wrote: »

The motor "industry" in Ireland is a side business as one of the other posters said. If I pay €20K for a new car the vast majority of that money is going to the foreign manufacturer, the International dealer network that arranged the export of the car from the country of origin to Ireland and the delivery companies that shipped the car along the chain. Very little filters down to the employees of garages in Ireland.

How exactly are you breaking that down? VRT, VAT, Commission for dealer, costs of transport (local), cost of transport (European), cost of advertising, cost of service afterward etc etc are a massive chunk of the price. Im counting car transport companies as part of the "motor industry".
Possibly slightly more of the amount goes back to the original maker, but its just not possible that its the "vast majority" that goes overseas.

For that matter, if you import certain 2nd hand cars at the moment, pay £10k then get stuck with a EUR14k VRT bill, its quite obvious from VRT alone the majority of the cost of the vehicle stays in Ireland.

Saab Ed

KerranJast wrote: »

The motor "industry" in Ireland is a side business as one of the other posters said. If I pay €20K for a new car the vast majority of that money is going to the foreign manufacturer, the International dealer network that arranged the export of the car from the country of origin to Ireland and the delivery companies that shipped the car along the chain. Very little filters down to the employees of garages in Ireland.

VAT 21% of Total sale / VRT up to 36% of the OMSP / Inome tax and PRSI on wages paid by Distrubutor, Dealer etc/ Corporate tax on profits posted by all the companies involved / Reduced Co2 emmisions thus reducing Irelands kyoto liability / Reduced social welfare payments to all the out of work staff in the " non existent " Irish motor indusrty.

Now Im sorry but you either did your sums wrong or you just didnt know what you are talking about. There are too many comentators who know fu*k all about the motor industry except how much hub caps are in Halfords. If you dont understand the subject my advice is dont comment :cool::P......and Ardmacha, Where do you suggest we get the money from to build all these roads? Should we just print it.!!!!!

Anan1

Saab Ed wrote: »

Reduced social welfare payments to all the out of work staff in the " non existent " Irish motor indusrty.

This is stretching it a bit - sales is sales, if you can sell one thing you can sell another. As has been said before, tax breaks for servicing & maintenance work would keep more money in the country.

Saab Ed

Anan1 wrote: »

This is stretching it a bit - sales is sales, if you can sell one thing you can sell another. As has been said before, tax breaks for servicing & maintenance work would keep more money in the country.

Give me one other industry apart from cigarettes and fuel that pays as much in taxes per sale. There is nothing that is so available and so affordable to the general public that can generate so much in taxes.

KerranJast

Saab Ed wrote: »

VAT 21% of Total sale / VRT up to 36% of the OMSP / Inome tax and PRSI on wages paid by Distrubutor, Dealer etc/ Corporate tax on profits posted by all the companies involved / Reduced Co2 emmisions thus reducing Irelands kyoto liability / Reduced social welfare payments to all the out of work staff in the " non existent " Irish motor indusrty.

Now Im sorry but you either did your sums wrong or you just didnt know what you are talking about. There are too many comentators who know fu*k all about the motor industry except how much hub caps are in Halfords. If you dont understand the subject my advice is dont comment :cool::P......and Ardmacha, Where do you suggest we get the money from to build all these roads? Should we just print it.!!!!!

Wow if that much money is being siphoned off from the price I pay for a car then cars in Ireland are massively bad value for money for the consumer which I guess I knew already I suppose.

Saab Ed

KerranJast wrote: »

Wow if that much money is being siphoned off from the price I pay for a car then cars in Ireland are massively bad value for money for the consumer which I guess I knew already I suppose.

Well I suppose you could try buying a car in the UK where after exchange rate they cost about the same but the taxes are alot less. Where do you think the gap is made up? Who do you think is on the take there!!!! The cars is Ieland pre tax are great value its the Government thats bad value . Now tell me after hearing that wouldnt you think it would be good news to hear of taxes coming off the price of cars.

KerranJast

Saab Ed wrote: »

Well I suppose you could try buying a car in the UK where after exchange rate they cost about the same but the taxes are alot less. Where do you think the gap is made up? Who do you think is on the take there!!!! The cars is Ieland pre tax are great value its the Government thats bad value . Now tell me after hearing that wouldnt you think it would be good news to hear of taxes coming off the price of cars.

Less taxes would be great but we've a massive tax shortfall and sadly motors are a luxury item.

Zube

Saab Ed wrote: »

There is nothing that is so available and so affordable to the general public that can generate so much in taxes.

New cars are affordable?

Saab Ed

Zube wrote: »

New cars are affordable?

All relative.........

Take a new car costing roughly €15,000 with a VRT payable of aprox € 2000. If the dealer allows €1500 allowance for a part exchange and the government gives €1000 off the VRT for a car that comes under what ever scheme they might introduce that gives a cost to change of €12,500. Now not everbody can afford €12500 but its affordable for plenty. Plus even with the money off there is still roughly €2500 in VAT collected on the sale never mind taxes incured by the salesman etc and the taxes collected on the profit from the used car. Now today no cars are being sold, no taxes being collected, social welfare being paid out all over the place and a shortage of used cars. Surely selling cars and collecting taxes is a better scenario !!!

cvisser

Saab Ed wrote: »

All relative.........

Take a new car costing roughly €15,000 with a VRT payable of aprox € 2000. If the dealer allows €1500 allowance for a part exchange and the government gives €1000 off the VRT for a car that comes under what ever scheme they might introduce that gives a cost to change of €12,500. Now not everbody can afford €12500 but its affordable for plenty. Plus even with the money off there is still roughly €2500 in VAT collected on the sale never mind taxes incured by the salesman etc and the taxes collected on the profit from the used car. Now today no cars are being sold, no taxes being collected, social welfare being paid out all over the place and a shortage of used cars. Surely selling cars and collecting taxes is a better scenario !!!

i agree with you 100%, that's the same idea i was thinking, and the point i wanted to get across, people kept in job's, to pay there bill's and the Government get there VRT and VAT Payments, also maybe a good idea Scrappage on used car's who people who have only €5k-€8k, mabe there is a way that could work!:)