"Kerry are in a bad place" - McStay

Warper

Kevin McStay came out with another classic yesterday - "Kerry are in a bad place". Ya right - good one. If a bad place means getting to your sixth All-Ireland Final in a row, you have set the bar too high Kevin. If anything Kerry are in a perfect place. They are through to another AI Final where they play "oh no its a Kerry jersey" Cork. I say Cork are wondering what do they have to do to win an AI. They are undoubtably a class side and are going into the match as favourites but when was the last time they beat Kerry in Croke Park?? Kerry are actually going in as under-dogs. For the first time all year, Kerry should have the full panel to choose from come the 20th of Sep but as Kevin puts it "they are in a bad place".

Johnnyjump

Cork are NOT favourites. The Panellists all went for Kerry yesterday after the game (not Cork). Cork may be the best team this year but Kerry have timed their run to perfection and are peaking at exactly the right time. They never got out of 2nd gear yesterday because they knew they didn't have to.

Warper

Johnnyjump wrote: »

Cork are NOT favourites. The Panellists all went for Kerry yesterday after the game (not Cork). Cork may be the best team this year but Kerry have timed their run to perfection and are peaking at exactly the right time. They never got out of 2nd gear yesterday because they knew they didn't have to.

Cork are favourites - check out the bookies, they are odds-on.

ShamoBuc

Kerry are in their sixth consecutive All Ireland Final and are deemed Underdogs! What does that say about Cork, or should I say what does that say about Kerry!

Orizio

Kevin is spot on, Kerry are getting ready for the hammering of a lifetime.

netwhizkid

Orizio wrote: »

Kevin is spot on, Kerry are getting ready for the hammering of a lifetime.

Indeed Cork won't know what hit them.

Orizio

netwhizkid wrote: »

Indeed Cork won't know what hit them.

You mean with the shots of vodka during the celebrations?

sslazio11

Warper wrote: »

They are undoubtably a class side and are going into the match as favourites but when was the last time they beat Kerry in Croke Park??

I'm open to correction on this, but I don't think Cork have ever beaten Kerry in Croke Park, unless there was a game played there in the dim and distant past that escapes my memory. We've played them on 6 occasions in the past 7 years, won 5 and drawn one match, where Cork came from 8 points down with 5 minutes to go. The average winning margin has been just over 9 points.

So history would give Kerry a very slight advantage. Of course, records are there to be broken......

lukin

Spillane mentioned what McStay said about twenty times in the post-match analysis. McStay is fairly knowledgeable though;he was the only RTE pundit that said Kerry would beat Dublin.

premierstone

lukin wrote: »

Spillane mentioned what McStay said about twenty times in the post-match analysis. McStay is fairly knowledgeable though;he was the only RTE pundit that said Kerry would beat Dublin.

Joe Brolly said Kerry would win against Dublin IIRC

soundsham

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Kerry are in their sixth consecutive All Ireland Final and are deemed Underdogs! What does that say about Cork, or should I say what does that say about Kerry!

it says cork are favourites, and kerry are not.....simple really

teams are being judged on recent form not a bunch of old jibberish relating to previous managements and players,

if you think there's abetter way to judge teams let us in on it please

p.s. if tyrone had beaten cork kerry would be underdogs too,without a doubt
so whats the big deal with being slightly unfancied,get over it.

ardmacha

Tyrone and Armagh hadn't beaten Kerry until recently, but they put history to one side. It is up to Cork to do likewise.

akaredtop

What a bad place to be! It is awful. Won the National league unbeaten.In the all Ireland final for the sixth time in a row and eight times this decade. Lost one match all year, against Cork, and now have the chance at redemption. Yes it is a horrible place to be. I would much rather be in Mayo's position having lost to a clueless Meath side.:D

BENDYBINN

Kerry are over the hill-old baldy men that should have retired years ago
Like tyrone last year cork will destroy them!

samsemtex

BENDYBINN wrote: »

Kerry are over the hill-old baldy men that should have retired years ago
Like tyrone last year cork will destroy them!

I cant think of a bald player on the Kerry team lad. I know Tadgh Kenelly is getting there but he's not quite bald yet.

When you say they should have retired years ago, do you mean before they became the only team to win 2 in a row since 1990? Or do you just mean they should have retired one year ago after they lost(certainly not a heavy defeat) in a final to a very good team?

I dont get why they should have retired years ago especially now that they are in yet another final...

deeno1975

Sick of stupid one liners by guys who are trying to legitimise their own sense of self importance.

Tommy Lyons also said on the Sunday Game that he thinks that Cork will win because Kerry have not gotten over the "Cooper and Tomás O'Shea" incident. Talk about ridiculous!!! Whatever may happen in the All Ireland final the "Cooper and Tomás O'Shea" incident will have zero bearing on the outcome...

Maybe Tommy Lyons should stick to management or maybe :eek:

brandon_flowers

"Mayo are in a bad place" - The Rest of Ireland

homerjay2005

BENDYBINN wrote: »

Kerry are over the hill-old baldy men that should have retired years ago
Like tyrone last year cork will destroy them!

says alot for the rest of the counties then doesnt it that they are in their 6 final in a row and going for their 4th win in 5 years...

Whats kept kerry going over the past 12 years (9 all ireland finals) is the fact that weve been able to cope with 1/2 major drop outs every year and replace them with 1/2 new youngsters. Only Darragh O Shea could be considered old and he still is flying.The entire forward line has been pretty much the same for the past 4 seasons with Tommy walsh added and they aint going anywhere for another 4 years. Scanlon is only 27 and we have options like David Moran in there and the backs all have plenty left in the tank.

i would think Darragh would be the only retiring this year with Maybe Tom Sullivan, but he is flying at the moment. all the rest have years in them.

samsemtex

homerjay2005 wrote: »

says alot for the rest of the counties then doesnt it that they are in their 6 final in a row and going for their 4th win in 5 years...

Whats kept kerry going over the past 12 years (9 all ireland finals) is the fact that weve been able to cope with 1/2 major drop outs every year and replace them with 1/2 new youngsters. Only Darragh O Shea could be considered old and he still is flying.The entire forward line has been pretty much the same for the past 4 seasons with Tommy walsh added and they aint going anywhere for another 4 years. Scanlon is only 27 and we have options like David Moran in there and the backs all have plenty left in the tank.

i would think Darragh would be the only retiring this year with Maybe Tom Sullivan, but he is flying at the moment. all the rest have years in them.

They arent going to win any All Irelands with David Moran in midfield. I think it's pretty clear that Tommy Walsh is going to be the long term replacement for Darragh O'Shea. Naturally he's more of a mid fielder despite the fact he plays so well at full forward. I agree with for the most part on the rest though.

BENDYBINN

samsemtex wrote: »

I cant think of a bald player on the Kerry team lad. I know Tadgh Kenelly is getting there but he's not quite bald yet.

When you say they should have retired years ago, do you mean before they became the only team to win 2 in a row since 1990? Or do you just mean they should have retired one year ago after they lost(certainly not a heavy defeat) in a final to a very good team?

I dont get why they should have retired years ago especially now that they are in yet another final...

being in a final is not much good i you cant win it, in fact better not to have reached it at all
When kerry have to win games by cheating and diving then mcstay is right -kerry not in a good place
coopers dive turned the game on sunday

DeepBlue

BENDYBINN wrote: »

being in a final is not much good i you cant win it, in fact better not to have reached it at all

I think you'll find that 30 counties would disagree with you!

Mr. Incognito

being in a final is not much good i you cant win it, in fact better not to have reached it at all
When kerry have to win games by cheating and diving then mcstay is right -kerry not in a good place
coopers dive turned the game on sunday

Of all the nonsense posts I've seen in here on my years this is up there.

Kerry got the penalty in the first 5 minutes- Meath had another 65 to come back. Meath took nearly 15 minutes to get their first score and then proceeded to kick aimless ball after aimless ball over their forwards heads and over the endline contributing to their high tally of "wides".

Kerry won practically every breaking ball in midfield and must have had 65% possession. Meath were simply atrocious.

Tommy Walsh's goal killed the game and you can't complain about that- he rose over the defender and finshed well and the same defender showed his frustration by kicking out at him when he was over the end line 10 minutes later- go sell this nonsense somewhere else- maybe the pub in Kells where you heard it.

Utter nonsense

BENDYBINN

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Of all the nonsense posts I've seen in here on my years this is up there.

Kerry got the penalty in the first 5 minutes- Meath had another 65 to come back. Meath took nearly 15 minutes to get their first score and then proceeded to kick aimless ball after aimless ball over their forwards heads and over the endline contributing to their high tally of "wides".

Kerry won practically every breaking ball in midfield and must have had 65% possession. Meath were simply atrocious.

Tommy Walsh's goal killed the game and you can't complain about that- he rose over the defender and finshed well and the same defender showed his frustration by kicking out at him when he was over the end line 10 minutes later- go sell this nonsense somewhere else- maybe the pub in Kells where you heard it.

Utter nonsense

oh so coopers dive and subsequent penalty had no bearing on the game whatsoever. thats nonsense, if ever I heard it

Mr. Incognito

Firstly, it wasn't a dive, the defender took a wild swipe at him and would have been lucky to stay on the field if it had connected. Then he grabbed his wrist and pulled him down.

And ye lost by more than 3 points so it had no bearing whatsoever in the end

aidan24326

deeno1975 wrote: »

Sick of stupid one liners by guys who are trying to legitimise their own sense of self importance.

Tommy Lyons also said on the Sunday Game that he thinks that Cork will win because Kerry have not gotten over the "Cooper and Tomás O'Shea" incident. Talk about ridiculous!!! Whatever may happen in the All Ireland final the "Cooper and Tomás O'Shea" incident will have zero bearing on the outcome...

Maybe Tommy Lyons should stick to management or maybe :eek:

That's bull. I really don't think that incident had any bearing on Kerry's season and it certainly won't have any bearing on the final. It was forgotten in a week. That's lazy analysis. Doesn't really surprise me though, as I don't rate TL very highly at all.

BENDYBINN wrote: »

being in a final is not much good i you cant win it, in fact better not to have reached it at all
When kerry have to win games by cheating and diving then mcstay is right -kerry not in a good place
coopers dive turned the game on sunday

Complete nonsense. Sour grapes if I ever heard it. Kerry were going to win that game anyway, they didn't even have to be anywhere near their best. And Kerry have never really been a 'cheating and diving' team. If it's cheating you want, what about 1996 when Meath went out and butchered Tyrone with one of the ugliest displays of foul play ever seen in Croke Park?

overmantle

The term "cute whores" springs to mind when I hear stupid talk of Kerry in a bad place. Kerry are favourites for All-Ireland, no question.

overmantle

I heard similar rubbish in 2007 and we all know what happened then. Kerry won!

blackbelt

Have to say it sounds bad when the pundits are coming out with stuff like this but when you analyse the performances of each team,it doesn't look great for Kerry but that is the way they like that...cute Kerry hoorism and I am strongly thinking that Cork will do one of two things.

1)expect Kerry to show up and play like they did in the qualifiers and against Meath and Cork will lose the game getting beat out the gate.

OR

2)Cork stick to their gameplan and prepare the way they did against Tyrone and not look into the bad performances and take it as cute hoorism and go on to win the game.

To me,Kerry are in a very good place.Cork will look at the Kerry-Dublin match for the real answers although that game may pay too much respect to Kerry and make them look better than they are.There is no real proper barometer for Cork to study Kerry and this will probably fit into Kerry's hands nicely.

soundsham

overmantle wrote: »

I heard similar rubbish in 2007 and we all know what happened then. Kerry won!

ya they're favorites (as if it makes one jot of a difference) cause of something that happened 2 years ago with different team managements and players,
or is it cause they're in 6 finals in a row,
why don't you dig up all the dead kerrymen with all ireland medals and count them in aswell as the next sad reason

open your eyes every bookie has cork as favourites,because its picked on this years performances, no other reason.

as i previously said if tyrone had beaten cork they would be favourites v kerry,but thats besides the point

cork now have the opurtunity that kerry had last year and failed to take
they have the chance to beat the team that had it over them a few times previously in croker, they have the chance to put it right, its what they want to win an ai, and to beat kerry in croker would top it off,
if they don't it will just roll on viz-a-vis munster/leinster in the rugby, no one could see munster losing but all streaks come to an end,and i think its fair to say this bunch of cork players are favourites to do it for a reason unlike the 2007 team and any other cork teams who were never favourites on the day

blinding

Well Kevin Mcstay mostly when you are knocked out of a competition you are in a bad place.

Spiritoftheseventies

Warper wrote: »

Kevin McStay came out with another classic yesterday - "Kerry are in a bad place". Ya right - good one. If a bad place means getting to your sixth All-Ireland Final in a row, you have set the bar too high Kevin. If anything Kerry are in a perfect place. They are through to another AI Final where they play "oh no its a Kerry jersey" Cork. I say Cork are wondering what do they have to do to win an AI. They are undoubtably a class side and are going into the match as favourites but when was the last time they beat Kerry in Croke Park?? Kerry are actually going in as under-dogs. For the first time all year, Kerry should have the full panel to choose from come the 20th of Sep but as Kevin puts it "they are in a bad place".

More from McStay in todays herald. headline. Team of the noughties is Tyrone, end of discussion

caesar

There is only one way that McStay would have said "Kerry are in a good place" and that is if they had to grind out a victory against Meath with a solid performance. Their season has seen them lose to Cork, play poorly in all their games afther that (bar the Dublin one) and play a Dublin team that inarguably flopped so are his comments unfounded....

The display from Kerry was poor as was the display from Meath. Having beaten Meath on the back of a poor display McStay is saying they're in a bad place because their form is back to Longford mode. Going in as underdogs is fine but its the uncertainty within the county (from what I gather) and perhaps the panel that McStay seems to be highlighting. Thats my interpretation of his comments. But does it matter because they will be playing Cork in an AI final and we all know that they have a dept of talent in the panel and plenty of experience. The OP said it's another classic line from Mcsat but its a fair point in some respects and it gives rise to a good debate.

Had Kerry hammered Meath they'd be in a bad place too as they would be seen as untested.

And as for Kerry cheating what rubbish....plain and simple Kerry deserved the win against Meath. This reminds me of my fellow county men blaming the few decisions that went against us when we played Meath.

Bottom line Kerry are in the final again but McStays comments mustn't be taken out of context. His analysis is always imo unbiased and honest.

Spiritoftheseventies

Say a lot of teams would like to be in the bad place Kerry are in at the moment. How do they do it so often.
Regardless of who is the team of the decade they just have a way of playing that seems to work very well for them.

akaredtop

They were bored stiff against Meath. They tried to make make a game of it themselves by not trying! They knew Meath were no threat. McStay should surely be able to see this.

Johnny Drama.

Cork will have too much pace & power for kerry as seen twice this year.

Spiritoftheseventies

Johnny Drama. wrote: »

Cork will have too much pace & power for kerry as seen twice this year.

I think Kerry's goal threat is their biggest strength. Time and time again they have been able to undo defences with a series of plays. Star if he fit to play will be a huge play.
Granted Cork have been very impressive this year but they still have to get that Kerry monkey off that back when the two play at Croke Park.
And it will be a big factor. Kerry had it Tyrone, Dublin with Kerry, etc.

Johnnyjump

Cork ran Kerry close twice last year in Croke Park. We'll just have to wait and see .....