This planet is just screwed isnt it.

thethedev

Food shortages, oil shortages and everything we do thats "sustainable" is bad for the environment too.
Lets just face it, there is just too damn many of us

mike65

The planet is in as rude health as ever, its the humans who are possibly in trouble. The planet shruggs.

ForiegnNational

thethedev wrote: »

Food shortages, oil shortages and everything we do thats "sustainable" is bad for the environment too.
Lets just face it, there is just too damn many of us

I think that unless there is a fundamental change to the way that we look to feed, cloth and live, that we are on an inevitable downward trajectory.

The questions I have are pretty simple, but unless they are answered, we will continue to consume far more resources than we can provide:
1) Why has Europe as a whole decided to outsource the production of it's food needs? What happens when Africa and South America decide to feed their own?
2) Why after all of the years of environmental laws on property development, do new houses still require huge heating systems to be installed in a country where the average temperature range is 8' - 18' (ok I guessed those figures, but I don't see too much snow, or too much sun down here in Cork recently!)
3) Incinerators - what madness envelopes us when they are discussed? Why do we think that dumping domestic waste in the ground is better than burning it cleanly.
4) Peat fired power stations - you have got to be kidding me, surely?
5) Recycling - What happens when no foreign countries will take our waste?

Just thought I would put the thoughts out there!

Húrin

thethedev wrote: »

Food shortages, oil shortages and everything we do thats "sustainable" is bad for the environment too.
Lets just face it, there is just too damn many of us

So what are you going to do about it? Nothing I suppose.

Jim Martin

See "The 10:10 Campaign" thread!

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7D-JQMvHYA

Jim Martin

Jim Martin wrote: »

See "The 10:10 Campaign" thread!

http://www.1010uk.org/

Dots77

id just love to know why were paying for the privlidge of sorting our waste cleaning the recyclables and putting them out for collection so they can be processed, and sent to china on a boat so some fatcat over here can make money of of us. it makes no sense i have no incentive to do this other than limiting my enviromental impact. were being robbed these companies are makin a fortune off of us.:mad:

Shiny

Dots77 wrote: »

id just love to know why were paying for the privlidge of sorting our waste cleaning the recyclables and putting them out for collection so they can be processed, and sent to china on a boat so some fatcat over here can make money of of us. it makes no sense i have no incentive to do this other than limiting my enviromental impact. were being robbed these companies are makin a fortune off of us.:mad:

I had assumed that recycling was a loss making activity despite the
costs to the consumer? Also hasn't China started refuse to take the
stuff?

Húrin

Why does any thread about very large global issues always start someone talking about the classic deckchair on the titanic issue, recycling?

Shiny

Do you want to talk about what happens if Russia turns off the Gas ?

I'm curious as to what would be a reliable internet connection during a
a sustained outage where backup generators would eventually fail to
maintain cell towers, transatlantic cables etc

IT Loser

Europe has not "outsourced its food production".:rolleyes:

squod

Shiny wrote: »

I had assumed that recycling was a loss making activity despite the
costs to the consumer?

A UK company is already using a reward system when collecting recycleables.
Some agencies are issuing hundred of pounds per anum in vouchers exchangable locally. The same system will be tried here shortly.

Many issues around recycling are pure fantasy. The missinformation is just getting worse.