Dojo Challenge match

dlofnep · 28-08-2009 12:38am #1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmnpzg1429k

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So this guy drops in and watches my Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu class and he tells me that the art does not work and that his TKD, Boxing, Akido, shootfighting blend can defeat Jiu-Jitsu. It irritated me to say the least but I blew him off and he left the school. He then proceeded to call me challenging me to a match. I declined, but then he started telling people in town I was afraid of him. The next time he called I accepted his challenge and this is a video of the 2 matches.
The first match I get him with a triangle choke. The second match you have to watch to see. Please note that my left foot is broken and that is why I did not throw any kicks with it.
Enjoy.

DoireNod · 28-08-2009 12:45am

Cool video!

Love when that kind of thing happens!

sul02 · 28-08-2009 4:42pm

It doesnt look like the dude in the white had any training.... good finish though.

gonzothegreat · 28-08-2009 5:15pm

He deffinetly diddn't box or do TKD look at his stance. Like someone else said sweet finish. What styles do you do? Not just Jujitsu is is it?

pma-ire · 28-08-2009 6:27pm

gonzothegreat wrote: »

He deffinetly diddn't box or do TKD look at his stance. Like someone else said sweet finish. What styles do you do? Not just Jujitsu is is it?

this is'int the op in the video

Clive · 28-08-2009 6:36pm

What a douche.

1. A challange match wearing shinguards?
2. Getting dropped in the first 3 seconds.
3. Apparently being a BJJ instructor, but knocking out a local loon rather than just gently tapping him again.

Giant douche.

Khannie · 28-08-2009 9:07pm

Clive wrote: »

What a douche.

1. A challange match wearing shinguards?
2. Getting dropped in the first 3 seconds.
3. Apparently being a BJJ instructor, but knocking out a local loon rather than just gently tapping him again.

Giant douche.

To be fair, that kick didn't look like it had a lot of power / venom in it, just that it was well delivered.

colinlaird000 · 28-08-2009 9:21pm

To be honest imho i dont think these guys who drop in and go all my kung f would defeat your kung fu are worth the time of day. To be fair it was a lovely strike, and good triangle, but was it really necessary? If some guy wants to not like where i train, he can go somewhere else. Thats his decision, and hes quite entitled to it. If theres a fight to be had over someones family honour or some such it should be in a fully santioned competition. Handing somebody their arse just to stroke your ego seems a bit pointless, especially when you have a fair idea that you will have such a gap in skill that is evident from the video :P The guy who was on the recieving end seemed to know what he was doing. It just happened to be the wrong thing!

Roper · 28-08-2009 11:05pm

Sooooooo...

Man knocks out relatively untrained fighter...

Who saw that one coming eh? He didn't even make any money. That sucks. If someone does a big dojo challenge and you want to fight him, you have to make sure you get paid, if you don't get paid you're a chump. He should have come to me, I would have got him paid.

Boston · 28-08-2009 11:33pm

If you believe the blurb, the challenger was harassing him and potentially damaging his business. If you agree that the instructor was entitled to fight the "loon" then you can't really comment on how he went about it. He did tap out the challenger gentle and he choose to stay and fight. As some point free will and personal responsibility come into it.

I'm not impressed by the video as I think this bull**** reflects badly and we shouldn't help propagate it, but I'm not going condemn the instructor either.

dlofnep · 29-08-2009 2:16am

Let's just reflect on what happened.

An instructor from another school challenges this instructor and calls his instruction into question. The BJJ instructor at first shuns it off and avoids conflict, but the challenger starts spreading crap around the city - so the second time around he accepts the challenge and triangles him. Not content with the loss - the challenger wants to continue, and gets knocked out with a not-so-strong thai but well placed kick.

Instructor is certainly not being an a** or is certainly not inflating his ego. I don't know what video some of ye were watching.

pma-ire · 29-08-2009 1:23pm

dlofnep wrote: »

Let's just reflect on what happened.

An instructor from another school challenges this instructor and calls his instruction into question. The BJJ instructor at first shuns it off and avoids conflict, but the challenger starts spreading crap around the city - so the second time around he accepts the challenge and triangles him. Not content with the loss - the challenger wants to continue, and gets knocked out with a not-so-strong thai but well placed kick.

Instructor is certainly not being an a** or is certainly not inflating his ego. I don't know what video some of ye were watching.

not inflating his ego by recording the event and putting it up on youtube!

the bjj/mma instructor should just have ignored this guy because no matter how much crap he was talking about him it was spreading the word about his classes.

if someone wanted to go to the bjj/mma classes then they will do so and just because someone is crap talking it only means that he had to increase his marketing and promotion.

not fight the muppet!!

Boston · 29-08-2009 1:34pm

You don't know the circumstances surrounding how it ended up there. Perhaps the challenger refused to acknowledge it. I really don't see how you think you can judge the instructor and tell him he should have shrugged it off when the challenger was attacking his livelihood.

pma-ire · 29-08-2009 2:21pm

Boston wrote: »

You don't know the circumstances surrounding how it ended up there. Perhaps the challenger refused to acknowledge it. I really don't see how you think you can judge the instructor and tell him he should have shrugged it off when the challenger was attacking his livelihood.

if he was "attacking his livelihood" then he should have gotten onto his solicitor.

dojo challenges are childish and foolish in this day and age!

a friend of mine is a full time martial arts instructor and a local instructor in one of the towns he teaches in was putting down his instruction. my friend rang this other guy and asked him if he paid tax to the revenue on the extra income he must be making from teaching martial arts?

this finished the issue without any need for fighting.

Boston · 29-08-2009 2:27pm

pma-ire wrote: »

if he was "attacking his livelihood" then he should have gotten onto his solicitor.

Because everyone can afford a solicitor? You never sue someone who doesn't have the money to pay the legal costs. Also, I've every right to say "In my opinion, X is crap and doesn't know what he's doing".

dojo challenges are childish and foolish in this day and age!

Agreed.

a friend of mine is a full time martial arts instructor and a local instructor in one of the towns he teaches in was putting down his instruction. my friend rang this other guy and asked him if he paid tax to the revenue on the extra income he must be making from teaching martial arts?

Thats intimation and harassment. What your friend did could easily have seen him brought up on charges. Certainly not the type of thing to brag about on a public forum.

dlofnep · 30-08-2009 12:51am

pma-ire wrote: »

not inflating his ego by recording the event and putting it up on youtube!

So what? It doesn't mean he is inflating his ego. Everyone posts videos on youtube. How do we know he didn't do it - so that the guy wouldn't go around giving false stories of what occured?

pma-ire wrote: »

the bjj/mma instructor should just have ignored this guy

He did, until he was overly persistant.

pma-ire wrote: »

because no matter how much crap he was talking about him it was spreading the word about his classes.

Negative words. Saying that his classes were no good. Detriment to the dojo's reputation.

pma-ire wrote: »

not fight the muppet!!

Wasn't much of a fight to be honest.

It's real simple. The guy asked to fight, and he got one. No different than 2 people agreeing to compete in a karate tournament or a boxing match. Both agreed to the fight, one started it by acting like an immature prick and got his clock cleaned for it.

The guy didn't want to entertain the idea, but was pressed and obliged.

Boston · 30-08-2009 12:54am

Something mentioned in the comments is that no one cheered. There was no vitriol in the clip. No one had any doubt about the outcome, no one thought it was worth even a clap. I seriously doubt the instructor walked away with an ego boost.

pma-ire · 07-09-2009 11:54am

Boston wrote: »

Because everyone can afford a solicitor? You never sue someone who doesn't have the money to pay the legal costs. Also, I've every right to say "In my opinion, X is crap and doesn't know what he's doing".

if you are running a full-time professional business and you can't affort to ask a solicitor to send one letter (which is usually all it takes) at about 50 euro a letter, then you should'int be in business.

Boston wrote: »

Thats intimation and harassment. What your friend did could easily have seen him brought up on charges. Certainly not the type of thing to brag about on a public forum.

My friend and his business were being slandered to potential customers. He gave the offender the oppertunity to see the actions that could be taken, and so he did not have to send this guy a much more intimadating official document.

This a is a much better way to deal with the situation instead of having a grudge match and posting it on the internet.

dlofnep · 07-09-2009 11:57am

pma-ire wrote: »

This a is a much better way to deal with the situation instead of having a grudge match and posting it on the internet.

No it's not. "Better" is subjective.

Boston · 07-09-2009 12:06pm

pma-ire wrote: »

if you are running a full-time professional business and you can't affort to ask a solicitor to send one letter (which is usually all it takes) at about 50 euro a letter, then you should'int be in business.

I'm not going to get into this. Threatening litigation when you don't have the resources to follow through on the threat is a big mistake in my opinion, feel free to disagree..

pma-ire wrote: »

My friend and his business were being slandered to potential customers. He gave the offender the oppertunity to see the actions that could be taken, and so he did not have to send this guy a much more intimadating official document.

This a is a much better way to deal with the situation instead of having a grudge match and posting it on the internet.

Harassment, it's illegal. The only one break any laws in the situation you described was your friend. Dance around that fact all you want.

Also, I suggest you look up the legal definition of slander, what you discribe doesn't fall under it.

pma-ire · 07-09-2009 12:08pm

dlofnep wrote: »

So what? It doesn't mean he is inflating his ego. Everyone posts videos on youtube. How do we know he didn't do it - so that the guy wouldn't go around giving false stories of what occured?

if he did'int fight him then this would'int be an issue.

dlofnep wrote: »

He did, until he was overly persistant.

it does'int matter what the guy said or how much he said it.

dlofnep wrote: »

Negative words. Saying that his classes were no good. Detriment to the dojo's reputation.

their is really no such thing as bad press. look at all the stuff that has been said about tom cameron (aka The Human Stun Gun, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eEogFdF_P8 ) the guy still has loads of students and still gets himself onto the tv after this most embassasing clip)

or what was said about george dillman after this show was aired
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsSzSflkns8
it still has'int put a dent in him.

dlofnep wrote: »

Wasn't much of a fight to be honest.

That's not the point either.

dlofnep wrote: »

It's real simple. The guy asked to fight, and he got one. No different than 2 people agreeing to compete in a karate tournament or a boxing match. Both agreed to the fight, one started it by acting like an immature prick and got his clock cleaned for it.

The guy didn't want to entertain the idea, but was pressed and obliged.

i understand his reasons to have taken on the challenge. i just don't think that he should have done so.

judomick · 07-09-2009 1:11pm

neither looked very good

Mark Hamill · 07-09-2009 2:00pm

Guy from the video wrote:

The first match I get him with a triangle choke. The second match you have to watch to see. Please note that my left foot is broken and that is why I did not throw any kicks with it.
Enjoy.

How did he pull off a triangle if his foot was broken?

dlofnep · 07-09-2009 2:03pm

Mark Hamill wrote: »

How did he pull off a triangle if his foot was broken?

It could have been the opposite foot.

Mark Hamill · 07-09-2009 3:17pm

dlofnep wrote: »

It could have been the opposite foot.

Opposite to what? He said in the description it was his left foot, and it was his left foot he stuck under his knee for the triangle, so it would be that one which would have got all the pressure when finishing it.

dlofnep · 07-09-2009 3:36pm

Mark Hamill wrote: »

Opposite to what? He said in the description it was his left foot, and it was his left foot he stuck under his knee for the triangle, so it would be that one which would have got all the pressure when finishing it.

Ah right - didn't know which one was injured. Still, it could have been the top of his foot - and the pressure was more on his ankle that the entire foot itself.

Mark Hamill · 07-09-2009 4:19pm

dlofnep wrote: »

Ah right - didn't know which one was injured. Still, it could have been the top of his foot - and the pressure was more on his ankle that the entire foot itself.

True, still seems odd to go for a triangle with an injured foot.

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