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Amazing Speech by Young Iraq War Veteran

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    simplistic
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    So much truth in a few minutes, beautiful!


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    Manic Moran
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    Is it truth because it's fact, or is it truth because it happens to agree with your perceptions?

    One must wonder what he was thinking when he joined up. If he honestly didn't know that in a volunteer military a solider joins up with the expectation of being sent to war, probably kill, and possibly die, at the instruction of someone who will never be in the trenches with him, he must be one of the most naive people on the planet.

    NTM


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    CPT. SURF
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    Manic Moran wrote: »
    Is it truth because it's fact, or is it truth because it happens to agree with your perceptions?

    The declassified CIA documents prove that torture occured, at least in Gitmo. Regardless of anyone's perception here. The rest of the video is the soldier expressing his opinion on the conflict having been there and seen it up close. Something which has clearly made you bristle, as evidenced by your hinting accusation that he:

    Manic Moran wrote: »
    must be one of the most naive people on the planet.

    Classy


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    Poccington
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    Racism?

    I stopped taking it seriously once he started yapping about that. If he didn't want to go to war or to take orders off people far above his pay grade, he shouldn't have joined the military.


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    Manic Moran
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    CPT. SURF wrote: »
    The declassified CIA documents prove that torture occured, at least in Gitmo. Regardless of anyone's perception here.

    I am not arguing that. (Though I wonder if, being the principled chap that he is, instead of telling the prisoner to stand up when the sergeant came around he shouldn't instead have reported it to his lieutenant)
    The rest of the video is the soldier expressing his opinion on the conflict having been there and seen it up close. Something which has clearly made you bristle, as evidenced by your hinting accusation that he:

    That wasn't a hinting accusation. That was a pretty blatantly stated observation.

    In any case, as you say, it's his opinion. That does not make it truth. I have my own opinion on the matter, and it diverges from his in a number of respects.

    NTM


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    imokyrok
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    manwith3butocks wrote: »
    I thought this was an amazing speech, he really hit every point on the head that needed to get said.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B9V2tbnxk0&feature=related

    That speech by Michael Prysner was amazing. His point that the people being sent out to fight the Iraqis actually have far more in common with the Iraqi people than they do the billionaires who send them is so true. As for his charge of racism if by that he means the tendency of some in the US to see all non-americans as inferior citizens and to justify any abusive behaviour on that basis - well we've seen that again and again. I lost count of how often when someone said the treatment of prisoners in gitmo was against the principle of American law they received the reply - they're not US citizens and so don't deserve the protection of US law. I was also dismayed to see the bewailing of American casualties without any reference to the far far greater numbers of Iraqi casualties - this even on left oriented on sites opposed to the war.


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