eflow for Northern Irish customers?

Fooddestroyer

Does a car registered with a UK plate (from Northern Ireland) have to pay the M50 toll.

There doesn't seem to be an option on their site to sign up.

RangeR

I believe it's only for Irish registered cars / plates.
For the moment, anyway.

Random

I don't see the problem? Pop the reg in here https://csc.eflow.ie/myaccount/payUTT.aspx along with number of uses, then pick Motor car from the drop down and off you go?

dudara

Moved to Motors

dudara

Marlow

RangeR wrote: »

I believe it's only for Irish registered cars / plates.
For the moment, anyway.

Everybody has to pay. The question is on how far they can collect the money outside ROI, if not paid. For NI/UK they certainly will attempt to.

You might want to read this: http://www.4ni.co.uk/northern_ireland_news.asp?id=81535

/M

stealthyspeeder

Marlow wrote: »

Everybody has to pay. The question is on how far they can collect the money outside ROI, if not paid. For NI/UK they certainly will attempt to.

You might want to read this: http://www.4ni.co.uk/northern_ireland_news.asp?id=81535

/M

I can assure you they have made no such attempt!

They would have to gain access to the DVNI's database in oreder to find my address. As they are a private comapny and foriegn to the UK, if the DVLNI provided my address to them, they would be contravening 2 sections of the Data protection act.

Now assuming they did this, they cannot issue a cort summons to appear in a local court as no offence has been commited in the UK. They cannot issue a summons to appear in an ROI court as this is effectively an exradition order and is completely unenforceable.

Using a debt collection agency - If a debt collection agency called to the house, 1 call to the PSNI complaining of illegal harassment would pout a stop to that as the debt collection agency would have to prove that it was legal (as the original accuser is not within the state, they will be unable to do so). As no laws within the state have been broken by the complainent, and the debt collection agency is harrasing and making demands for money, they will be in the wrong in the eyes of the law up north.

So they may try and make me pay for the M50, and I wish them luck!

Bandara

All vehicles using the M50 must pay the appropiate toll, the eflow system has the records and registrations of all northern regs and the vehicle details come up on the system when you type in the reg.

In the case of UK regs the system accepts the reg and then asks you to state if its a car/jeep/van etc in order to allow you to pay the correct amount.

hth

JHMEG

stealthyspeeder wrote: »

Ithey cannot issue a cort summons to appear in a local court as no offence has been commited in the UK. They cannot issue a summons to appear in an ROI court as this is effectively an exradition order and is completely unenforceable.

Not true. They can issue a summons and if you fail to show you can be picked up the next time you are this side of the border.

Sizzler

JHMEG wrote: »

Not true. They can issue a summons and if you fail to show you can be picked up the next time you are this side of the border.

Considering theres lads getting shot every other week that were already "known" to the Gardai and involved in criminal activity on a daily basis I think the chances of an NI driver being stopped as soon as they head south of the border is fairly unlikely!

getz

Hammertime wrote: »

All vehicles using the M50 must pay the appropiate toll, the eflow system has the records and registrations of all northern regs and the vehicle details come up on the system when you type in the reg.

In the case of UK regs the system accepts the reg and then asks you to state if its a car/jeep/van etc in order to allow you to pay the correct amount.

hth

unless eflow are reg with the DVLO in swansea and are paying the search fee,[it costs £15 per search for the owners address] they cannot find out your address in the UK,even then as the non payment of toll as[its only a civil offence]it had not been committed in the UK they could not take you to the UK courts,only criminal/ police offences may be followed up,and as we know with the irish/UK history even that may be a problem ,as ex/car park warden in england i was told not to bother booking foreign reg cars,if you can not clamp them leave them

Marlow

It might very well be, that they don't have access to the data. And it might also be, that they won't go as far as getting a court summons in the UK.

The fact stays:
- Everybody that uses the M50 has to pay the M50 toll.
- Should you not pay the toll, they will and can prosecute you.
- Should you enter Ireland with the car in question and you are spottet, you are in trouble.

They don't need the Gardai to catch you. They just need to get one of the other toll road places, where you have to stop, to call the Gardai. This might not be the case now, but it can be any day.

Before the borders got opened, they'd just catched you at the border.

/M

Bazzy

Thats bullsh*t i've been through in a norther registered car several times and never once have I recieved a notice.

If they havent go the address how can they find the registered owner. Anyway if he registered owner does get a call just tell them that they traded the car in under the scrappage scheme a long time ago the toll road people would have no way of checking it out.

Just scare tactics being used to try and get the extra few quid!

JHMEG

Sizzler wrote: »

Considering theres lads getting shot every other week that were already "known" to the Gardai and involved in criminal activity on a daily basis I think the chances of an NI driver being stopped as soon as they head south of the border is fairly unlikely!

Maybe the case, but I was referring to the point that a summons = extradition order etc etc etc

ardmacha

Using a debt collection agency - If a debt collection agency called to the house, 1 call to the PSNI complaining of illegal harassment would pout a stop to that as the debt collection agency would have to prove that it was legal (as the original accuser is not within the state, they will be unable to do so). As no laws within the state have been broken by the complainent, and the debt collection agency is harrasing and making demands for money, they will be in the wrong in the eyes of the law up north.

Complete nonsense. You cannot simply go from place to place and avoid your debts. Eflow will hand over things to Euro Parking Collection http://www.epcplc.com/. Now in practice many people who pass the odd time will do ok, but if you had a big debt then they can follow you.

Marlow

Bazzy wrote: »

Thats bullsh*t i've been through in a norther registered car several times and never once have I recieved a notice.

If they havent go the address how can they find the registered owner. Anyway if he registered owner does get a call just tell them that they traded the car in under the scrappage scheme a long time ago the toll road people would have no way of checking it out.

The OP asked if Northern Reg have to pay the toll or not. He did not ask how to (illegally) to prevent paying the toll. What I wrote is, that what you suggest might be the case now, but can change in the future. And lets face it, 15£ is nothing after 14 days, when the second fine has been slapped on (41.50 EUR). At that time it's very feasable to collect the data from the DVLA/DVLNI.

Besides that, you only receive the notice (if you receive it), once the first 3 EUR fine applies. You should have paid the toll long before that.

If you decide not to pay the toll and see if you can get away with it fine, it is however still a civil offense and enforceble. And the OP still only was asking if he's ment to pay the toll, which he indeed is.

/M

stealthyspeeder

We did get abit sidetracked, to the OP, you are definately meant to pay the toll and can eaisly enter your reg both online and at garages.

If you do not pay the toll, from my experience, nothing happens. If anything did happen, getting money out of me would cost them (or any debt collection agency) more money and manpower, than they would recoup if they eventually got the funds! (which they'd prob realise, long before they eventually prysed the money from my cold dead hands!)

Bazzy

Yes your supposed to but i've yet to hear them chase anyone and I know plenty of people who have driven through in northern registered vehicles,

And nothing has happened them

Wouldnt pay it and I wouldnt worry

Seth Brundle

Apparently 'er indoors's uncle in Belfast received a note from eflow - no idea how they got his details!

Fooddestroyer

WOW!

Touchy issue I see.:mad:

Well, the reason that I posted is because I've tried to sign up, but the Eflow website has errors in processing my order. When I called them, I got no answer at their end.

Thus, I have been passing though the M50 with a Northern Ireland (UK) reg now for over two months.

I shall try again to register online. It's just the right thing to do.

BUT, I haven't heard a cheep from Eflow looking for previous fees, but I'd say they WILL find a way in the future and make a few examples. A bit like what happened with file sharing and 'Pirate Bay'.

FD

Marlow

Tolltag (http://www.tolltag.ie) costs 30 EUR for the tag, 10% monthly fee, perfect if you're tolling very very rarely and it works for all toll roads.

The other one would be (http://www.easytrip.ie/), which also can be used for parking in some places. Prices are here: http://easytrip.ie/?page_id=37#faq19

So if the buggers at eflow don't answer, that's the other option. I believe there's 3 or 4 more tag systems, but usually more expensive.

/M

testicle

stealthyspeeder wrote: »

They would have to gain access to the DVNI's database in oreder to find my address. As they are a private comapny and foriegn to the UK, if the DVLNI provided my address to them, they would be contravening 2 sections of the Data protection act.

They're based in Newry

ballinloughan

What happens when a foreign reg car passes through the fast pass on the M1?

Sizzler

ballinloughan wrote: »

What happens when a foreign reg car passes through the fast pass on the M1?

They still have to go through a barrier do they not

Foreign reg'd cars on M50, home free, thats the reality.

Bazzy

The fast pass lane on the M1 reads the tag and the big green arrow comes up if its read correctly

if not you get a big red X and have to merge back into the traffic and pay the nice people at the toll booth

ardmacha

If anything did happen, getting money out of me would cost them (or any debt collection agency) more money and manpower, than they would recoup if they eventually got the funds! (which they'd prob realise, long before they eventually prysed the money from my cold dead hands!)

That's fine if you never expect to have to get a loan etc ever again. But most people need mortgages, car loans and so on and a bad credit record is a millstone.

Basically EFlow are a joke and whatever the legal position they aren't well enough organised to take advantage.

For the OP getting a tag may be cheaper for the M50 and is also convenient for the M1 and Port Tunnel, although they don't give a discount there (as they should).

Sizzler

ardmacha wrote: »

That's fine if you never expect to have to get a loan etc ever again. But most people need mortgages, car loans and so on and a bad credit record is a millstone.

Basically EFlow are a joke and whatever the legal position they aren't well enough organised to take advantage.

For the OP getting a tag may be cheaper for the M50 and is also convenient for the M1 and Port Tunnel, although they don't give a discount there (as they should).

Well thats if the person was resident in ROI, quite obviously they arent, thats the whole point of the thread. A civil debt left unpaid in ROI means F.A. in NI. And thats if they even bother. They probably wouldnt due to the hassle factor, much easier to pick on the punters they know they can scare, i.e. ROI Residents.

Marlow

Sizzler wrote: »

Well thats if the person was resident in ROI, quite obviously they arent, thats the whole point of the thread. A civil debt left unpaid in ROI means F.A. in NI. And thats if they even bother. They probably wouldnt due to the hassle factor, much easier to pick on the punters they know they can scare, i.e. ROI Residents.

No, from the day, they start to prosecute you in NI/UK, it'll also affect your credit rating over there. And as it was pointed out, they are based in Newry, which actually should make it quite easy for them to prosecute.

You can chance it, but it's borrowed time you're running on. If you don't care about your credit rating, then you should be fine.

/M

getz

Marlow wrote: »

No, from the day, they start to prosecute you in NI/UK, it'll also affect your credit rating over there. And as it was pointed out, they are based in Newry, which actually should make it quite easy for them to prosecute.

You can chance it, but it's borrowed time you're running on. If you don't care about your credit rating, then you should be fine.

/M

i object that the money that was used to build that motorway was paid for by the rest of us in the EU,now the irish goverment wants to charge me for driving down it,it wont happen over here /whoops i think it does

Marlow

getz wrote: »

i object that the money that was used to build that motorway was paid for by the rest of us in the EU,now the irish goverment wants to charge me for driving down it,it wont happen over here /whoops i think it does

You are welcome to petition against it, but until the law and circumstances are changed and the price is set, everybody going through has to pay and that was the question of the OP.

If you want to get around paying it (ROI or NI), there are other ways, but as they aren't legal, I won't outline them here The only legal way I see getting around it (and all other tolls) is to dump it on your employer.

/M

Sizzler

Marlow wrote: »

No, from the day, they start to prosecute you in NI/UK, it'll also affect your credit rating over there. And as it was pointed out, they are based in Newry, which actually should make it quite easy for them to prosecute.

You can chance it, but it's borrowed time you're running on. If you don't care about your credit rating, then you should be fine.

/M

They cant prosecute you in another jurisdiction!

Also, who is based in Newry?

JHMEG

Sizzler wrote: »

They cant prosecute you in another jurisdiction!

You can be prosecuted and convicted in this jurisdiction even if you live in another one.