Dentistry

i'm a smiler

Anyone on here doing dentistry?

How are you finding the course? How many hours per week in first year?

Any advice for someone starting soon!?:pac:

UCCmed09

i'm a smiler wrote: »

Anyone on here doing dentistry?

How are you finding the course? How many hours per week in first year?

Any advice for someone starting soon!?:pac:

i think its like a 3day week up to xmas lol

FluffyCat

I did Pharmacy and two of the classes are mixed with you guys. Physiology and biochemistry. The coursework was heavy but not impossible. If kellie dean is still lecturing biochem your in luck!! She loved the dents!!
Good Luck

i'm a smiler

UCCmed09 wrote: »

i think its like a 3day week up to xmas lol

Are you serious?! Wow!:pac:

What's the story after christmas?

UCCmed09

dont think it gets too bad either after xmas...i was in pharm last year and ye do physiology+biochem with them...they're not the worst like+ye get more credits than pharmacy for them even though its the exact same thing....more pressure defo in pharm+med than dent from what i could see!

CantGetNoSleep

Its not great I heard, 90% of the people in the class didnt get the points for medicine so most of your conversations will be giving out about how your course is harder than medicine or that dentists earn more than doctors

I'd drop out now boy

UCCmed09

CantGetNoSleep wrote: »

Its not great I heard, 90% of the people in the class didnt get the points for medicine so most of your conversations will be giving out about how your course is harder than medicine or that dentists earn more than doctors

I'd drop out now boy

well they'll have a hard job trying to convince people they have it tougher than the meds haha...from what i saw last year theres no comparison!!
but yeah apparently there's a huge domino effect from med!

i'm a smiler

CantGetNoSleep wrote: »

Its not great I heard, 90% of the people in the class didnt get the points for medicine so most of your conversations will be giving out about how your course is harder than medicine or that dentists earn more than doctors

I'd drop out now boy

I don't think so, mate!:pac:
This year the points for dent in ucc are the highest for any course in the country-- 575 on random selection.

Therefore, basically everyone would have gotten med if they had done a half decent hpat test.

I hate the way that everyone assumes that dent students are failed med applicants... sigh... :rolleyes:

PhysiologyRocks

Most dents I know could have done med but didn't want to. I don't see why people assume everyone wants to do med.

I want to do med, so I'm there, and I love it. I just don't assume that everyone else wants to do the same thing as I do.

UCCmed09

i'm a smiler wrote: »

I don't think so, mate!:pac:
This year the points for dent in ucc are the highest for any course in the country-- 575 on random selection.

Therefore, basically everyone would have gotten med if they had done a half decent hpat test.

I hate the way that everyone assumes that dent students are failed med applicants... sigh... :rolleyes:

to be honest i wouldnt think they are personally...just hearsay this yr!its a very specific choice like...you wouldnt just slot into dent cos u didnt get med...dont think twud be a good move anyway

but i do know of people who DIDNT do a good enough hpat and are going into med!

we're in rival classes so haha...brookfielders are us lol!

blogger 3000

CantGetNoSleep wrote: »

Its not great I heard, 90% of the people in the class didnt get the points for medicine so most of your conversations will be giving out about how your course is harder than medicine or that dentists earn more than doctors

I'd drop out now boy

DROP OUT?!!Dentistry's a great course with brilliant job prospects. only 5 people in 1st dent this year did the HPAT out of 48, for the vast majority their first choice was dentistry. It really annoys me that everyone thinks all the dents are med rejects even tho there's supposed to be a couple people in med this year that couldn't get the points for dent.

J2D2

Its a tough enough course, you'll have to be prepared to work hard. My friend is now in 4th year and has always spent a lot of time studying, and I mean a lot!! Just be prepared to work, but my friend is enjoying the course. Best of luck!

Big_G

This nonsense about a 3 day week. Maybe in UCC. In Trinity I was doing a 36 hour week when the meds were doing 18. I was treating patients in second year and had clinical competencies to do all the way through. The meds don't get that until 4th or 5th year.

There are a few med rejects in dentistry. They tend to be people who don't belong in medicine or dentistry. They are people who have a particular idea about what medicine is. When their fantasy isn't fulfilled in dentistry they try and get into medicine and their fantasy often isn't fulfilled there either.

Dentistry in my opinion is probably one of the three toughest undergraduate courses, including architecture and engineering. The amount of hours spent at undergraduate level in 5 years is reflected in the fact the Trinity awards two degrees to dental students when they graduate a bachelor of arts in science and a bachelor of dental science degree.

Dentistry is a rewarding profession, monetarily and in terms of job satisfaction. It is not without its drawbacks. The course is tough as previously stated, patients can be difficult to deal with and often have unrealistic expectations of cost or treatment outcome. All in all it is a great job. Stick with it and you won't be sorry, particularly if you are artistic and like working with your hands.

flanagan10

Hey all,

Im starting Dentistry as a mature student in sept!! Any tips to throw this way would be savage.. Any good ideas for accom? does anyone know what Carraighbarre accom is like. There is meant to be a house there for mature heads..but i think the 1st years are around the corner ( noisy feckers). By the way I didnt want to medicine.. Dentistry seems so much cooler.

Rón beag

i'm a smiler wrote: »

Anyone on here doing dentistry?

How are you finding the course? How many hours per week in first year?

Any advice for someone starting soon!?:pac:

Have just graduated from Cork, you'll love itThe biggest piece of advice is just keep on top of things!!. The course isn't too bad in first year (it does get tougher in second year) and as others have said you do a lot of things with either pharm or med- great way to make friends outside of the course!

blogger 3000

Rón beag wrote: »

Have just graduated from Cork, you'll love itThe biggest piece of advice is just keep on top of things!!. The course isn't too bad in first year (it does get tougher in second year) and as others have said you do a lot of things with either pharm or med- great way to make friends outside of the course!

you just graduated from UCC this year? i just finished 1st year this year,

what sorta job did you get? did everyone in the class get one?

Rón beag

blogger 3000 wrote: »

you just graduated from UCC this year? i just finished 1st year this year,

what sorta job did you get? did everyone in the class get one?

Got VT in England. Pretty much 2/3 of class went for VT the other third have headed over to England as associates. No prob with jobs anyone without a job yet is just taking an extended holiday and hasn't started looking yet!(think theres maybe 2 or 3 left!)..

blogger 3000

Rón beag wrote: »

Got VT in England. Pretty much 2/3 of class went for VT the other third have headed over to England as associates. No prob with jobs anyone without a job yet is just taking an extended holiday and hasn't started looking yet!(think theres maybe 2 or 3 left!)..

that sounds pretty good,
at the risk of sounding a bit stupid, whats VT? and what does the job of an associate involve? is it just that you work for another dentist in his/her practice?

Rón beag

blogger 3000 wrote: »

that sounds pretty good,
at the risk of sounding a bit stupid, whats VT? and what does the job of an associate involve? is it just that you work for another dentist in his/her practice?

vt is vocational training - essentially you're mentored for the year. In the UK its a 4 day week and then a Study day on the 5th day where you do lectures/training. It's a nice and easy way of getting out into the real world 'cause you've always your trainer in the room next door if you're ever unsure of a treatment plan or an extraction's going badly etc etc. It's kinda essential if you ever wnat to go and specialise as well. An associate then is where you work for yourself (so self-employed) in someone else's practice generally split your profits 50:50 with them.

Anthony16

Rón beag wrote: »

vt is vocational training - essentially you're mentored for the year. In the UK its a 4 day week and then a Study day on the 5th day where you do lectures/training. It's a nice and easy way of getting out into the real world 'cause you've always your trainer in the room next door if you're ever unsure of a treatment plan or an extraction's going badly etc etc. It's kinda essential if you ever wnat to go and specialise as well. An associate then is where you work for yourself (so self-employed) in someone else's practice generally split your profits 50:50 with them.

Just accepted ucc dent.very pleased:)

flanagan10

woohoo!! congrats guess il see u in first year!!

Anthony16

flanagan10 wrote: »

woohoo!! congrats guess il see u in first year!!

Did u get any orientation info or anything from them in the post yet as i havent?
Thanks

flanagan10

Hey we dont get it till the third of sept! You all set, did u get ur accom sorted? Cork accom is a total kip and overpriced!

Anthony16

flanagan10 wrote: »

Hey we dont get it till the third of sept! You all set, did u get ur accom sorted? Cork accom is a total kip and overpriced!

hey,im probably gettin an apartemnt in the city and i doubt many students do that so they should still be available.have u spent much time with dentists/i havent gotten the chance yet so am definitely taking a risk but hopefully ill enjoy it all the same!
thanks for replying

flanagan10

Cool, i was gonna do the same they have savage apt beside jurys but i ended up gettin a house beside the coll! Sweet location. Yeah i have been workin in a dentist for a few months and when i was in coll a did voluntary work in 3rd and 4th yr. Loved it, im goin bac as a mature stud but im not that old..i sound very old when i say that! Ul prob love it cant see y u wouldnt. I was down for the mature stud open day on wed and the coll is really nice. Way more organised than NUIG! But that wouldn be hard..do u know anyone else goin into first yr dent? I know no1

Anthony16

flanagan10 wrote: »

Cool, i was gonna do the same they have savage apt beside jurys but i ended up gettin a house beside the coll! Sweet location. Yeah i have been workin in a dentist for a few months and when i was in coll a did voluntary work in 3rd and 4th yr. Loved it, im goin bac as a mature stud but im not that old..i sound very old when i say that! Ul prob love it cant see y u wouldnt. I was down for the mature stud open day on wed and the coll is really nice. Way more organised than NUIG! But that wouldn be hard..do u know anyone else goin into first yr dent? I know no1

well i did the leaving cert with another guy in 09 and he is goin into 2nd yr dent but thats all i know.Im sure we will make friends very quickly.
Good luck,looking forward to it

XCiXCol

Guess Ill be seeing ye there too Did ye see the timetable before christmas- looks pretty sparse

Anthony16

XCiXCol wrote: »

Guess Ill be seeing ye there too Did ye see the timetable before christmas- looks pretty sparse

no,i havent got any info from UCC yet,have you?Lookin forward to meetin u!:)

XCiXCol

Nope getting letters on the 3rd im sure but timetables are on the ucc website!!:O

http://timetable.ucc.ie:8010/reporting/individual?objectclass=programme+of+study&idtype=id&identifier=BDS1%0D%0A&t=programme+of+study+individual&days=1-7&weeks=5-16;20-31&periods=1-20&template=programme+of+study+individual
-For the first year dent timetable!
Right back at u

ballsymchugh

Rón beag wrote: »

vt is vocational training - essentially you're mentored for the year. In the UK its a 4 day week and then a Study day on the 5th day where you do lectures/training. It's a nice and easy way of getting out into the real world 'cause you've always your trainer in the room next door if you're ever unsure of a treatment plan or an extraction's going badly etc etc. It's kinda essential if you ever wnat to go and specialise as well. An associate then is where you work for yourself (so self-employed) in someone else's practice generally split your profits 50:50 with them.

that's very wrong. you don't need to do VT at all if you want to specialise. you may be mixing that up with MFDS which you can get by sitting the exams while working as an SHO in a hospital, or after 7 years you can do it without taking the year in the hospital environment.
VT is very hit and miss. in ireland, unless things have improved recently it's very much miss. the VT'ers are treated like associates and paid a much smaller salary than what they could normally make.
you're better off getting an associate job in a busy practice where you're sure there'll always be someone else to give you a hand when you're stuck. and remember, when you're stuck, you'll learn your limits and know when to refer.
the only problem is in the past couple of years there's a major shortage of jobs. in the UK and ireland you'll have competition from a lot of european dentists who wouldn't get close to the 50:50 split at home (in germany, associates take 25%). it's just a case of waiting for things to pick up again.

as for the course in cork, like big_g said, 3 day week is ridiculous. you have anatomy, physiology and biochem. there's dissection a couple of mornings a week which you'll eventually get used to without passing any notice on what's going on. then they're physiology and biochem labs, and biochem can drag on a fair bit. not great if it's still on on a wednesday afternoon and you finish up after 6 on a miserable winter cork evening, and you've a biochem postgrad who think's they're invincible demonstrating to you.
it's tough, but if you got into it, then you should be well able for it.

a small bit of advice, join some clubs and socs, because by the end of final year you'll have seen enough of your own class!!

Calum196

Is that right ? Friday off !!!! I love it already.

Also, where does most of the work take place... brookfield ?

Rón beag

ballsymchugh wrote: »

that's very wrong. you don't need to do VT at all if you want to specialise. you may be mixing that up with MFDS which you can get by sitting the exams while working as an SHO in a hospital, or after 7 years you can do it without taking the year in the hospital environment.
VT is very hit and miss. in ireland, unless things have improved recently it's very much miss. the VT'ers are treated like associates and paid a much smaller salary than what they could normally make.
you're better off getting an associate job in a busy practice where you're sure there'll always be someone else to give you a hand when you're stuck. and remember, when you're stuck, you'll learn your limits and know when to refer.
the only problem is in the past couple of years there's a major shortage of jobs. in the UK and ireland you'll have competition from a lot of european dentists who wouldn't get close to the 50:50 split at home (in germany, associates take 25%). it's just a case of waiting for things to pick up again.



Just to clarify I didn't say it was essential, I said it was kind of essential and that is my impression after having talked to my professors over the last year all of which have said that they would be very slow in taking on someone for example for ortho if they didn't have VT. I'm not doing VT in Ireland so I can't talk about that but in the UK you are not treated like an associate with the pressure that that brings. I have complete control over my day list so if I want to spend an hour or more on a molar endo I can without thinking about the amount of money thats coming in etc etc. as I'm not paid per treatment but have a constant salary coming in.

Anthony16

XCiXCol wrote: »

Guess Ill be seeing ye there too Did ye see the timetable before christmas- looks pretty sparse

After looking at it properly now,it does seem pretty sparse.I assume it doesnt include practicals?At least we will get some time to get to know each other before the real hard work starts!

XCiXCol

Anthony16 wrote: »

After looking at it properly now,it does seem pretty sparse.I assume it doesnt include practicals?At least we will get some time to get to know each other before the real hard work starts!

Nope doesn't include practicals but even when u factor them in still seems pretty light!! plenty lounging around time- I'm not complaining:P! U don't by any chance know how many's in the class?!?!

ashyboots

Hey I'm starting as a mature student in 1st yr dent too. Will you all be going to the orientation?

XCiXCol

ashyboots wrote: »

Hey I'm starting as a mature student in 1st yr dent too. Will you all be going to the orientation?

Aw brilliant! Yup I will:)! See you there:)

Anthony16

XCiXCol wrote: »

Nope doesn't include practicals but even when u factor them in still seems pretty light!! plenty lounging around time- I'm not complaining:P! U don't by any chance know how many's in the class?!?!

40 or so id assume.U have any idea where we get the info on which books to buy?Cant seem to find it anywhere
Cheers

ballsymchugh

Anthony16 wrote: »

40 or so id assume.U have any idea where we get the info on which books to buy?Cant seem to find it anywhere
Cheers

you will be told. wait for the booksale, and don't get done over!!

ashyboots

A friend of mine is in 2nd Yr and she says to hold off on buying books except really recommends getting Netter's Anatomy.... Had a look in Easons and it's double the price of Amazon. Maybe the booksale will be a bit better? Is everyone going down on Friday? Looking forward to it!

Anthony16

ashyboots wrote: »

A friend of mine is in 2nd Yr and she says to hold off on buying books except really recommends getting Netter's Anatomy.... Had a look in Easons and it's double the price of Amazon. Maybe the booksale will be a bit better? Is everyone going down on Friday? Looking forward to it!

Friday??Thought it was monday
Im definitely the most confused in the class thus far:P

XCiXCol

Anthony16 wrote: »

Friday??Thought it was monday
Im definitely the most confused in the class thus far:P

It is monday! I might challenge you on that title:rolleyes:

ashyboots

Ha sorry yeah I can't read - not a great start really!

Anthony16

XCiXCol wrote: »

It is monday! I might challenge you on that title:rolleyes:

Ok,just to confirm
Do we go to the library at 9 tomorrow and does anyone know where i can find a timetable for the day?
Iv looked it up but cant find anything specific to dent
thanking you all hugely
Anthony

ashyboots

Couldn't find a timetable but when I talked to the dent office they said that the dentistry orientation is in the afternoon (can't remember if she said 2-2.30) in Brookfield. I'd say we just show up at 9 tomorrow and then will let us know the story for the day.

Anthony16

ashyboots wrote: »

Couldn't find a timetable but when I talked to the dent office they said that the dentistry orientation is in the afternoon (can't remember if she said 2-2.30) in Brookfield. I'd say we just show up at 9 tomorrow and then will let us know the story for the day.

thanks alot for your reply.And is it the main campus we show up at in the morning?
cheers

XCiXCol

Yah for some reason they took the dentistry one down but its the boole 4 at nine tomorrow- on the main campus behind the library! There's just welcome speeches which is just for the entire department and then after lunch u break up into specific courses! Hope that helps- wouldn't wana get lost on your first day:P

blogger 3000

Rón beag wrote: »

vt is vocational training - essentially you're mentored for the year. In the UK its a 4 day week and then a Study day on the 5th day where you do lectures/training. It's a nice and easy way of getting out into the real world 'cause you've always your trainer in the room next door if you're ever unsure of a treatment plan or an extraction's going badly etc etc. It's kinda essential if you ever wnat to go and specialise as well. An associate then is where you work for yourself (so self-employed) in someone else's practice generally split your profits 50:50 with them.

oh right, do u get paid for VT like? how long do you think you'll work in that? and when will you specialise? or will you specialise?

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