Holdem Manager Player Preferences Stats

Tony_Montana

I'm not sure if this has been posted before or if there is an easier way to find this information but......... I have been playing on ipoker with Holdem Manager with over a year now and I still have the same stats and I think it might be time for some more.

Here are the following stats that I use:

VPIP
Preflop R
3-Bet
Fold 3-Bet
BB Fold vs Steal
Flop CB
Fold to Flop CB

Does anyone use other stats that they find are beneficial.

Thanks,

Tony

cooker3

w$wsf,
wtsd% and w$sd%
Overall aggression as well as flop,turn,river agg
Preflop positional awareness
Steal%

and positional report is also good to look at.

Tony_Montana

Cheers,

Do you know how I would go about setting them up ie. what stats for each colour etc.

Whats positional report?

cooker3

Position report is just 1 of the reports. There is bunch of them near top left. Same menu as overall, stakes, holecards etc.
I sense you mean on the hud though. I was talking about general use of HM. I've not altered my hud setup in ages. Your best bet is to go to FAQ and they have detailed instructions and videos which DVDfan made but general idea is go to player preference and create everything there. That includes stats that are displayed, popups that appear when you hover over that stat and what colour they can be.
It looks hard when you first see everything but it's pretty simple once you make 1.

Tony_Montana

Ya I have gone over all them reports all ready. Ya i do mean the hud. I want to have more stats on it. Where can i find videos that DVDfan made? I can only find the 1 video and I added all the stats from this when I first got holdem manager but I want to add more now.
Thanks for your time, really appreciated

pgodkin

Tony_Montana wrote: »

Ya I have gone over all them reports all ready. Ya i do mean the hud. I want to have more stats on it. Where can i find videos that DVDfan made? I can only find the 1 video and I added all the stats from this when I first got holdem manager but I want to add more now.
Thanks for your time, really appreciated

there's a pretty good setup listing here http://www.pokerswat.net/default5.asp?active_page_id=121 there's part 2 and 3 aswell! there dont use holdem manager so only skipped through it but seemed really good.

Tony_Montana

Ok i have decided to add a few more stats. heres how it looks at the mo.

line 1 - winning, hands
line 2 vpip, preflop raise, 3bet, btn 3bet, fold to 3bet, flop cb, fold to flop cb, turn cbet, fold to turn cbet
line 3- agg factor, agg pct, steal, bb fold vs steal, donk bet river, won $ at showdown, limp call.

How does it look....... any ones ppl think i should take out/add etc.
Also haven't decided on colours or numbers for each stat any ideas?

AdMMM

You could probably reorganise them a bit better as you have stats for various streets all mixed up. I'd move "steal, bb fold vs steal and limp call" up to line 2 and move the turn stats down to line 3.

A simple change, but one that reduces the likelihood of you misreading a stat and making a mistake.

Ollieboy

Tony_Montana wrote: »

Ok i have decided to add a few more stats. heres how it looks at the mo.

line 1 - winning, hands
line 2 vpip, preflop raise, 3bet, btn 3bet, fold to 3bet, flop cb, fold to flop cb, turn cbet, fold to turn cbet
line 3- agg factor, agg pct, steal, bb fold vs steal, donk bet river, won $ at showdown, limp call.

How does it look....... any ones ppl think i should take out/add etc.
Also haven't decided on colours or numbers for each stat any ideas?

Just a comment, do you not think thats too many stats to show on the screen? you could end up spending more time trying to read the stats then actually reading the board or sequence of play etc.

I keep it simple with the following

VPIP/Preflop Raise/Hands
cont bet/fold to cont bet/aggr

If I need any of the above stats and get into a big hand with a guy I can click on the stats box and it brings up all the stats and lists the different positions etc. So I don't need to fill up my screen with stats if that makes sense. As I get better reading the stats I might add more etc. But I think simple is best sometimes.

cooker3

I disagree. The more you can fit the better. I have 17 different stats, I don't even use abbreviations as it saves space and I know what everyone means without thinking. As long as you lay it out and it doesn't look stupid it's all good. Just play at a lower level to test it out and get used to it.

Although looking through yours I think the donk bet river stat is unnecessary, not something you come across much. I would definitely have a donk bet flop stat, also I made my own pop-up for donk bet stat as I didn't like any of the default ones. It only takes a few minutes, well worth doing if you feel there is something that is not covered well.
I also think you should have wwsf somewhere. That is such an under-rated stat.

As for colours. The way I do it is red = good and green = donkish and orange is inbetween but whatever way you do it just make it consistent so that red always mean "good" etc.

The Tourist

A bit OT, but what are people's thoughts on a good cont bet % to have for yourself.

Blacktie.

From 70 to 80 or there abouts should be alright. But you shouldn't look at it that way. It all depends on board texture and villains tendencies.

Daithio9

OP there's a whole thread on Hud setups and player preferences on the HM forums.
Check it out here http://www.holdemmanager.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=19

The Tourist

Blacktie. wrote: »

From 70 to 80 or there abouts should be alright. But you shouldn't look at it that way. It all depends on board texture and villains tendencies.

I never got that...?

Edit: currently running close to 100. Far too exploitable imo.

Slash/ED

The Tourist wrote: »

I never got that...?

Edit: currently running close to 100. Far too exploitable imo.

What do you mean? Some boards hit opponents ranges better than others so betting some boards shows less of a profit than others. There are boards that you'll get played back on a tonne, boards people will fold alot on, and boards that if you c-bet you should probably be prepared to fire barrels on as alot of their range will call a street or two but can't stand much heat.

Blacktie.

Slash/ED wrote: »

What do you mean? Some boards hit opponents ranges better than others so betting some boards shows less of a profit than others. There are boards that you'll get played back on a tonne, boards people will fold alot on, and boards that if you c-bet you should probably be prepared to fire barrels on as alot of their range will call a street or two but can't stand much heat.

+1

cooker3

It's only exploitable if you get exploited.

The Tourist

Slash/ED wrote: »

What do you mean? Some boards hit opponents ranges better than others so betting some boards shows less of a profit than others. There are boards that you'll get played back on a tonne, boards people will fold alot on, and boards that if you c-bet you should probably be prepared to fire barrels on as alot of their range will call a street or two but can't stand much heat.

What I mean is I don't know which boards fall into which catagory, and why. I just bet :P.

cooker3 wrote: »

It's only exploitable if you get exploited.

True, but c-betting is widely known about at this stage surely?

Blacktie.

Just play against me you'll always hit your river card no matter how far behind you are!

cooker3

The Tourist wrote: »

What I mean is I don't know which boards fall into which catagory, and why. I just bet :P.



True, but c-betting is widely known about at this stage surely?

Yeah but that doesn't mean people do anything about it or do anything enough.
Someone may c/r bluff every now and again when in reality they are not doing it anywhere near enough. Still not exploiting it properly even if they think you are.

Treehouse72

cooker3 wrote: »

As for colours. The way I do it is red = good and green = donkish and orange is inbetween but whatever way you do it just make it consistent so that red always mean "good" etc.

I find that using colour-coding in this way to be counter productive because I always think the colours are just another layer of information for your brain to process in limited time. If some guy has a VPIP of 42, I don't need his number to be red to tell me he's playing too many hands. The colours just distract from analysisng the number itself, which is the thing that matters. It can also lead to some laziness - "Oh, this guy is red, he's a donk, I'm arrrrrrrrr-in!". Meh, not great. There's also the issue of guys on the borderline and it can be annoying to have their stats flip colours back and forth.

I do however use colours to group stats - preflop green, flop red, misc. stats yellow etc. I find this very useful as it allows your eye to spot the relevant stats immediately. This system also helps the HUD appear neat and tidy as every player has the same colour scheme and the uniformity helps the whole thing look neater and less distracting.

cooker3

Treehouse72 wrote: »

I find that using colour-coding in this way to be counter productive because I always think the colours are just another layer of information for your brain to process in limited time. If some guy has a VPIP of 42, I don't need his number to be red to tell me he's playing too many hands. The colours just distract from analysisng the number itself, which is the thing that matters. It can also lead to some laziness - "Oh, this guy is red, he's a donk, I'm arrrrrrrrr-in!". Meh, not great. There's also the issue of guys on the borderline and it can be annoying to have their stats flip colours back and forth.

I do however use colours to group stats - preflop green, flop red, misc. stats yellow etc. I find this very useful as it allows your eye to spot the relevant stats immediately. This system also helps the HUD appear neat and tidy as every player has the same colour scheme and the uniformity helps the whole thing look neater and less distracting.

I find it really useful. I remember when the hud for HM got first released and I really didn't like it even though it was clearly better then PAHUD which I had been using. I realised the reason was the stats were all white and nothing stood out. It made a big difference.

I see what your saying about it making you lazy but I think I check these stats more then most, hovering over pop-ups and such like and I definitely think the advantages outweigh disadvantages re the colour co-ordination

mdwexford

Colour ftw

Red = Tight
Orange = Standard
Green = Please stay at my table