BJJ and Submission wrestling tournaments

deise muay thai

Does any one know if there is any OPEN BJJ or Submission wrestling tournaments coming up anywhere in Ireland over the next few months?

Raze_them_all

lol bad timing there was one last week

bella1

there will be a bjj comp on the 4 oct in bjj revolution gym dublin.
more details to follow.

Raze_them_all

will that be gi or nogi?

arybvtcw0eolkf

Raze_them_all wrote: »

will that be gi or nogi?

Can I open a can of worms here and express the opinion (my opinion only) and suggest that BJJ Comp. is only BJJ Comp. when the Gi is worn - NoGi is wrestling/grappling/sub-fighting (pick whichever label you wish).



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Raze_them_all

Annabel Silly Sociologist wrote: »

Can I open a can of worms here and express the opinion (my opinion only) and suggest that BJJ Comp. is only BJJ Comp. when the Gi is worn - NoGi is wrestling/grappling/sub-fighting (pick whichever label you wish).



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Thanks you are probably right, Was just wondering cos at the start of the year JK was going to run a series of Bjj comps, 3 of each.

bella1

BJJ REVOLUTION TEAM IRELAND
will be running a bjj gi comp on the 4 oct
details to follow shortly.
thanks andy

David Jones

Can I open a can of worms here and express the opinion (my opinion only) and suggest that BJJ Comp. is only BJJ Comp. when the Gi is worn - NoGi is wrestling/grappling/sub-fighting (pick whichever label you wish).

Is that for competition purposes only or are you saying that if you dont train in a gi you arent practicing bjj?

Roper

There are no-gi BJJ tournaments run under BJJ rules. Technically my competition last week was a no-gi BJJ tournament.

arybvtcw0eolkf

David Jones wrote: »

Is that for competition purposes only or are you saying that if you dont train in a gi you arent practicing bjj?

Like I say, its only my opinion as I don't practice BJJ.

But to me using some BJJ techniques in a NoGi competition is just using a component of BJJ in a grappling/sub contest.

I'm speaking purely as an observer, but it seem's that alot of guys are blurring the lines when it comes to BJJ, grappling/wrestling & MMA.

As an example, I was listening to two young lads in work the other day talking about training in BJJ, but during the conversation they made reference (more than once or twice) to training MMA and refering to MMA/UFC fighters using BJJ (this was in explaining to another lad what BJJ was), then the penny dropped - young lads are blurring the lines between styles which are an important ingredient of MMA (BJJ, Muay Thai, Greco) and the separate and distinct styles!.. (hope that makes sense).

I could be very wrong, and could be coming at this from a simple purist POV - but the Gi is part of parcle of BJJ, is it not?.

Its very possible for me to execute an Osoto Gari, Uchi Mata and a host of other throws without the Judogi - but then it ain't Judo.

Oh, here's that can!..



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cowzerp

I agree with Makikomi here, without the gi your doing sub wrestling, wheter your doing BJJ rules or not-I dont think its a can of worms at all and actually quite simple, you may fight using pure bjj techniques but the game is quite different without the gi on and its not BJJ without the Gi.

David Jones

and its not BJJ without the Gi.

I can think of quite a few schools in the states and at least one here that would take exception to that. Gi and No gi are two sides of the same coin, they are both part and parcel of BJJ. I dont like to call what I teach sub wrestling, I certainly know Chris doesnt. He trained orginally with the gracies before deciding that nogi was the way to go for him as he wanted to go the MMA route and he found nogi way more fun.

Both methods are brazilian jiu jitsu, I think submission wrestling or grappling names came about because guys who hadnt any bjj background started to open up schools and couldnt therefore call what they practiced or taught brazilian jiu jitsu.

I dont think the art should be dictated by what you wear.

Nothingcompares

They're really just labels and traditions and don't really matter. But I would always have called Dave Jones and Colm O'Reilly's clubs BJJ clubs because they come from BJJ backgrounds (Chris Brennan, John Kavanagh) and basically train in the same way the people that train in BJJ (gi) clubs train. They emphasis is on the same things, technique etc. Even the most traditional BJJ clubs may train no-gi once in a while and I just take these clubs that train no-gi all the time.

But I would have called Dylan Costigan's club, which also essentially trained the same way a submission wrestling club because (until recently) didn't have the BJJ lineage or label.

I dont think the art should be dictated by what you wear.

Like there are no clubs in Judo that train without the Gi and there are no wrestling clubs in america that train in the gi. But I'd agree, just because I take my gi off when I enter a Submission wrestling tournament or a BJJ tournament I'm still effectively doing judo - I'm doing things I learned in a Judo context (although modified).

I think it's very easy to find out if a club is a submission wrestling club or a no-gi bjj club. You just have to ask the instructor who he thinks the best grappler is. If he says anybody but a Gracie or Machado trained guy he's submission wrestling.

dunkamania

What's in a name? That which we call a rose/By any other name would smell as sweet. — William Shakespeare, Romeo and Juliet act II, sc. ii

A bit of culture for the forum :-)

Roper

dunkamania wrote: »

What's in a name? That which we call a rose/By any other name would smell as sweet. — William Shakespeare, Romeo and Juliet act II, sc. ii

Not if you called them stinkblossoms.

dunkamania

Touche Barry, once your arm heals, we can have a nogi stinkblossom match to settle it

deise muay thai

:rolleyes: Just when the tournaments are on please, I can't handle the handbag stuff.......wonder what it's called if your wearin a gimp suit???