Andy Lee v John Duddy

Rob113

Was listening to Off the Ball on Newstalk this evening and they had advisors on from both camps talking up the chances of this fight going ahead.

Brian Peters is seemingly trying to put together a package to bring them together in and around october.

Who wins?

My moneys on Andy Lee - Duddy seems to have lost his way in the last few fights.

joepenguin

Hard to tell at the minute and their current form. Lee didnt look too hot in germany last time out, Duddy obviously didnt either but both looked good in lee beating gibbs and duddy beating vanda. Hard to say but would make for a good fight. HBO turned it down so would be in ireland more than likely or as a paddys day thing. Best thing is for one of them to chase macklin for the euro title if he wins it.

dlofnep

Duddy

unknown13

I think its a bit too early for this fight.

I heard that Brian Peters wants this fight in Limerick but IMO this fight should be at a bigger venue because its a massive domestic fight.

walshb

What has either man got to lose. Lee is going nowhere really, and his next fight is against
a complete bum; the odds are staggering in Lee's favor. Lets see the fight, because I am pretty fed up with Lee fighting cans and Duddy not much better.
Peter's has offered a bonus 35k to the winner if these two meet.
November at Limerick is the venue.

I would pick Duddy by points over 10 rds

f1dan

If Duddy tries to box, Lee will outbox him

If he tries to brawl he'll catch Lee with enough looping rights. For some reason Lee just doesn't see them

emergingstar

ithink lee wins this handy enough

Daroxtar

Last year i'd have picked Lee all the way, then Duddy seemed to have found a bit of form just as Lee started to look really ordinary. Now Duddy looks nothing special. Its tricky to call and depends on what kind of form either of them is in on the night. Lee is massive for a middleweight and Duddy is quite small. Lee also has the advantage in power. I'd pick Lee at the minute

spongeman

Tight one to call this...however if I had to stick my rather fat neck out.....I would say..........Lee ??

itouchmyself

Id like to see Duddy win this, depends really on the day Lee could run around outboxing him or Duddy pull him into a fight.
Lee is a nice bloke and has obviously great boxing skills but I just dont like watching him!!
Duddy Vs Maklin now thats a fight Id want to see

nacho libre

The way Stewart was talking Lee should have been fighting for a world title by now. It's show the level Lee is really at when there is talk of this taking place instead. If this fight does take place Duddy will win, if it turns into a brawl, because Lee it seems can't fight on the inside.

joepenguin

itouchmyself wrote: »

Id like to see Duddy win this, depends really on the day Lee could run around outboxing him or Duddy pull him into a fight.
Lee is a nice bloke and has obviously great boxing skills but I just dont like watching him!!
Duddy Vs Maklin now thats a fight Id want to see

Duddy vs Macklin has brawl written all over it alright, id say itd make for a great all action fight.

joepenguin

Just seen on another forum duddy fighting in the garden oct 10th. no link and nothing on boxrec. Anyone heard about it?

f1dan

joepenguin wrote: »

Just seen on another forum duddy fighting in the garden oct 10th. no link and nothing on boxrec. Anyone heard about it?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/8213555.stm

Derry boxer John Duddy will make his return to the ring in New York on 10 October after securing his release from promoters Irish Ropes.
Duddy suffered a shock first defeat as a professional when he lost on a split decision to Billy Lyell on April.
That defeat scuppered Duddy's hopes of being handed a world title shot against Kelly Pavlik.
The middleweight has been embroiled in a financial dispute with Irish Ropes since earlier this year.
Duddy claimed that he was owed unpaid earnings and had been denied a world title shot in Belfast.
The Irishman won his opening 26 fights before falling to the shock defeat in April.
His comeback bout against an unnamed opponent will take place at Madison Square Garden, where he has previously fought in front of full houses.
The 30-year-old had carved out a formidable reputation in New York.
In November 2007, Duddy also sold out the Kings Hall on a memorable homecoming to Northern Ireland.
Duddy worked with Irish Ropes on a handshake agreement until three years ago when he signed a promotional contract.
He claimed that the mooted world title fight at the Odyssey Arena falling through was the final straw for him and he initiated court proceedings to split from the company.
Duddy has been guided by Tony and Eddie McLaughlin throughout his professional career but said that the fact that they were promoting and managing as brothers caused a potential conflict.

joepenguin

Cheers for that.

He's currently ranked 22nd with the wbc.
Not rated in ibf top 15 but 5th in their usba ratings/
9th by the wbo
unranked with the wba
36th by the ibo but they dont have his loss on their record? maybe just an error.

I always felt and still feel that he can cash in on a fight with the likes of pavlik or bide his time for a winnable title. Either way his fights are always entertaining. Like a cross between Wayne McCullough and Arturo Gatti style wise.

He is still only one decent win away from a title fight. Wonder what the story is with the weight, is a move to 154 still an option?

listowel1

andy won last night with tko in 8th round of 10 in indiana..if Macklin wins european title andy should have a go at it cos he seems to be going nowhere now watever is goin on! if john duddy performs in october which is on a bob arum promotion, correct me if im wrong but isnt bob same promoter as pavlik!!

joepenguin

listowel1 wrote: »

andy won last night with tko in 8th round of 10 in indiana..if Macklin wins european title andy should have a go at it cos he seems to be going nowhere now watever is goin on! if john duddy performs in october which is on a bob arum promotion, correct me if im wrong but isnt bob same promoter as pavlik!!

He sure is. Pavlik-williams has been rescheduled to 21st november which apparently is the same night as kessler-ward which williams promoter goosen is promoting.

Is this Arum trying to force goosen into taking williams out of the fight, get duddy a win, set him up with pavlik early 2010 and look into williams then? Possibly get williams another interim belt in the meantime just for good measure.

Whatever happens I hope Duddy finds form and gets back into the top ten.
Anyone see lee's performance las night?

joepenguin

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=4412339&name=rafael_dan

Kess73

An interesting bit of chatter going around is that Lee Meets Duddy in Limerick in November, but that Thomond Park may get looked at as a venue if the ticket sales look too much for the UL venue, and the interesting bit of the chatter is that the winner fights Pavlik in New York next March.

Which sounds like a Paddy's day fight or close to it. Madison Square Garden is the mooted venue.

T-K-O

Both of these guys are going nowhere fast. I was never in favor of them fighting at this point in their careers but looking back on the last 12-18 months both guys need this fight to happen.

Andy has looked awful in this last few fights and Duddy, well Duddy is Duddy that loss was inevitable.

f1dan

More on Lee's last fight...

http://www.fightnews.com/?p=21267#more-21267

Lee defeats Shuler

Middleweight contender Andy Lee (19-1-0, 14 KOs) showed good patience when taking on Anthony Schuler (20-7-1, 14 KOs), proving to be a slippery and slick opponent. Lee took control from the start by using his height and pawing with the jab to set up his ranged attacks. Schuler took a very cautious approach, as he constantly looked to catch Lee with a counter right. Schuler got his chance in the final seconds of round two, catching Lee with a big right hook to the head.

Lee made him pay in the first minute of the third by connecting with a big left to the body that put Schuler on the canvas. To his credit, Schuler got up and managed to finish off the round. But the punishment was nowhere near over for Schuler, after being walked down for the first half of the fourth round, a left cross upstairs dropped him again. He got up and surprisingly managed to score with another big right upon being attacked. This only prompted Lee to dish out more punishment but Schuler weathered the storm.

Schuler was much more elusive during the middle rounds, managing to avoid and nullify a lot of Lee’s attacks with waist movement and a good guard, but his luck ran out in the eighth, as seconds into the round a stiff one-two dropped Schuler. He got up but went down moments later courtesy of a right to the body. One final combination to the head after getting up and Schuler went down for the last time. The fight was then stopped due to the “Three knockdown rule”. The time was 2:05.

joepenguin

Thomond pork in November? Weatherwise cant see that happening.

IUL seems a bit small. Is there no better way to promote these guys.

For example have Duddy headline the arena in an Irish title fight with Lee on the undercard.

OR

Lee headlining UL in an Irish title fight with Duddy on the undercard

Both of them as the co-main support to Dunne in keep busy fights.

We see it in the states all the time. Eg Taylor vs Spinks and pavlik vs Miranda on the same bill, then taylor vs pav later on that year.


Could they do decent numbers in the point?
Or maybe Peters in looking towards the winner vs Macklin for the euro title and stagin it in Ireland. Macklin seems to be fighting under hatton promotions now and on sky so dont know how that would work out with him fighting here.

Kess73

joepenguin wrote: »

Thomond pork in November? Weatherwise cant see that happening.

IUL seems a bit small. Is there no better way to promote these guys.

For example have Duddy headline the arena in an Irish title fight with Lee on the undercard.

OR

Lee headlining UL in an Irish title fight with Duddy on the undercard

Both of them as the co-main support to Dunne in keep busy fights.

We see it in the states all the time. Eg Taylor vs Spinks and pavlik vs Miranda on the same bill, then taylor vs pav later on that year.


Could they do decent numbers in the point?
Or maybe Peters in looking towards the winner vs Macklin for the euro title and stagin it in Ireland. Macklin seems to be fighting under hatton promotions now and on sky so dont know how that would work out with him fighting here.

Andy himself is pushing hard to have the fight in Limerick rather than Dublin and it seems that it may be worth more money to Duddy if he agrees on Limerick as the venue.


As for Thomond Park being the proposed venue. I do not see it being a big problem weatherwise. I remember being in Cardiff on a wet Autumn night to watch Lewis against Bruno, and it being a well organised and run fight despite the weather around it. It is easy enough to get an outdoor fight set up with the right canopy etc., and Thomond Park would defo not be short of atmosphere and would take more people than the Point would. With a decent undercard it could get 10,000 to 12,000 people at it, maybe more.

Would be a good night for Irish boxing, imho, if it comes off though.

unknown13

I cant see the fight taking place in Limerick. I think the 02 with Mc Closkey / M'baye on the card maybe be a possibility.

Kess73

unknown13 wrote: »

I cant see the fight taking place in Limerick. I think the 02 with Mc Closkey / M'baye on the card maybe be a possibility.

UL have already confirmed that they have been asked about dates in Novemeber, with Macklin being looked at if Duddy falls through.


Craig Hamilton, Duddy's manager, has also confirmed that the Limerick venue is the one most likely should it happen, and that he and Duddy have an interest in the fight.

There should alsobe an article in this week's Limerick Independent later this week on the possibilty of the clash with confirmation of Hamilton making his comments.

Andy Lee has already gone on record about wanting the fight in Limerick and did so again on tv after his last fight.

Cadathara

Anyone know where i might see Andy lee vs Schuler on the net for free ?

marcusluck

All Andy Lee has to do is box for 10 to 12 rounds to get a easy UD..

Vintagekits

marcusluck wrote: »

All Andy Lee has to do is box for 10 to 12 rounds to get a easy UD..

ah right! must remember to tell him that! He handled the pressure that Vera gave him well with boxing!

H. Flashman

Kess73 wrote: »

UL have already confirmed that they have been asked about dates in Novemeber, with Macklin being looked at if Duddy falls through.


Craig Hamilton, Duddy's manager, has also confirmed that the Limerick venue is the one most likely should it happen, and that he and Duddy have an interest in the fight.

There should alsobe an article in this week's Limerick Independent later this week on the possibilty of the clash with confirmation of Hamilton making his comments.

Andy Lee has already gone on record about wanting the fight in Limerick and did so again on tv after his last fight.

man if they did ever fight in limerick it would be seriously class - tough fight to call in my view - they both have their strengths - duddy is damn good at using his chin to beat up on his opponent's fists - (seriously its made of granite or something) - and lee has decent speed and a damned awkward style. So who would win? ......... Macklin

H. Flashman

seriously though would love to see andy do it - and if he could avoid standing toe to toe he would - but then to borrow some scintillating wit from a fellow member thats easier said than dunne

Kess73

Peters has come out and said he will not be putting Macklin in with Lee. :rolleyes: And has made comment about not putting Lee in with Duddy now, despite cboth fighters saying they were interested, just like Lee and Macklin said they would go at it too.

Methinks Peters can see one cash cow vanishing in Dunne and wants to prolong his other interests rather than letting fights happen.


Lee will be in Limerick in late November/ early December though, that is certain. Venues were being provisionally confirmed for three potential dates over the last week.

Two of the dates are the most likely venue, UL, and one is more of a long shot now, Thomond Park.


The Lee/Pavlik or Duddy/Pavlik fight for around Paddy's day at MSG looks like it may still come off though.

joepenguin

Kess73 wrote: »

Peters has come out and said he will not be putting Macklin in with Lee. :rolleyes: And has made comment about not putting Lee in with Duddy now, despite cboth fighters saying they were interested, just like Lee and Macklin said they would go at it too.

Methinks Peters can see one cash cow vanishing in Dunne and wants to prolong his other interests rather than letting fights happen.


Lee will be in Limerick in late November/ early December though, that is certain. Venues were being provisionally confirmed for three potential dates over the last week.

Two of the dates are the most likely venue, UL, and one is more of a long shot now, Thomond Park.


The Lee/Pavlik or Duddy/Pavlik fight for around Paddy's day at MSG looks like it may still come off though.

Id say its a fight Arum would love to make. They seem to be giving it every oppurtunity. With Duddy I mean.

Macklin seems to be going his own successful root at the moment. While I would love to see a series between Duddy/Macklin/Lee I believe that now is not the right time. Macklin seems to be aiming high and looking for an ibf or wba shot. By the sounds of that Duddy will be looking for a shot at Pavlik and Lee imo needs more experience.

They should look to fight each other maybe in the summer. Imo now is the wrong time. It could build into something really big or be a back up plan if all else goes pear shaped.

horizon26

Andy Lee beats Duddy Quite easily,Duddy is just to easy to hit.Lee has his faults but he is a good boxer and hits harder although his own defence is not great.Macklin to me is not really a better fighter than Lee or Duddy.Lee is still learning Duddy has no defence and MackMacklin'seat to Jamie Moore was a few years ago.Has Macklin improved since his defeat yes he has.So who is the best fighter I still think its Andy Lee is,he also has the most potential.

BDF

horizon26 wrote: »

Andy Lee beats Duddy Quite easily,Duddy is just to easy to hit.Lee has his faults but he is a good boxer and hits harder although his own defence is not great.Macklin to me is not really a better fighter than Lee or Duddy.Lee is still learning Duddy has no defence and MackMacklin'seat to Jamie Moore was a few years ago.Has Macklin improved since his defeat yes he has.So who is the best fighter I still think its Andy Lee is,he also has the most potential.

Andy is the better boxer, Duddy is the better fighter. It's a hard one to call.

Daroxtar

On current form Macklin has no need to fight either of the other two. He's heading up while the other 2 are fairly static at the mo.

scruff321

Yeah cant see Macklin getting involved with either, after his win last week he'l be looking for a title challenge, and if Peters if reluctant to take any limelight of Dunne any fight between the other two probably wont happen for awhile.

walshb

Duddy to me is really a small middle and Andy, a big middle. Will this be a factor?
It sure could be. On fight night, Lee will be 3-4 inches taller and if he gains weight sufficiently, could out weigh Duddy too. Both men have porous defences, Duddy more so and Lee's stamina is a problem. Duddy has stamina and a good chin. Lee's chin is okay, but won't need to be great, as Duddy is not a hitter; he's a volume puncher