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cant get internet to work

  • 18-08-2009 1:00pm
    #1
    imported_guy
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    so i got my macbook pro in january for like 2.5k the top noch spec, but i usually run windows on it, cuz i cant get my internet to work on the mac osx (wireless) my dad got it to work somehow once, but he forgot how he did it, now this is how i run it in vista

    discover the wireless... connect it

    make a new connection for broadband, type in user name and pass and connect (cant seem to do this in mac osx)

    its a netopia eircom router, and the wireless is bliken they r both pretty old ones

    thanks alot


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  • #2
    cpu-dude
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭cpu-dude


    imported_guy wrote: »
    so i got my macbook pro in january for like 2.5k the top noch spec, but i usually run windows on it, cuz i cant get my internet to work on the mac osx (wireless) my dad got it to work somehow once, but he forgot how he did it, now this is how i run it in vista

    discover the wireless... connect it

    make a new connection for broadband, type in user name and pass and connect (cant seem to do this in mac osx)

    its a netopia eircom router, and the wireless is bliken they r both pretty old ones

    thanks alot
    You don't see to create a Broadband Connetion in Vista, in fact - delete them (WIN + R > Type "ncpa.cpl" > OK). You do the following:

    Start Menu > Connect To > Changed "Show All" to "Show Wireless" (at the top) > Select your wireless network > Connect > Enter your Wireless Security Key > Connect > Select Home (it's ok if this doesn't show up) > Close.

    Vista-Wireless4.gif

    Vista-Wireless6.gif

    Vista-Wireless5.gif

    Vista-Wireless8.gif

    Vista-Wireless7.gif

    In Leopard it's just as easy, do the following:

    Click the Aiport Icon (see below) > Select your wireless network > Enter your Wireless Security Key (Password) > OK.

    mac-wireless01.png

    mac-wireless02.png

    mac-wireless03.png

    mac-wireless04.png

    mac-wireless05.png


  • #3
    imported_guy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,141 ✭✭✭imported_guy


    actully the password isnt for wireless, its for broadband itself, i can connect to wireless but not the broadband... im going to try what you did now

    edit: i remember trying that before, it doesnt work, my router isnt passkey protected, its the broadband connection itself which is protected

    like my broadband username "XXX" pass "XXX" eircom set it up like that, and my vista cant connect either by the method you showed.


  • #4
    cpu-dude
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    imported_guy wrote: »
    actully the password isnt for wireless, its for broadband itself, i can connect to wireless but not the broadband... im going to try what you did now

    edit: i remember trying that before, it doesnt work, my router isnt passkey protected, its the broadband connection itself which is protected

    like my broadband username "XXX" pass "XXX" eircom set it up like that, and my vista cant connect either by the method you showed.
    In that case, you have your modem + router setup incorrectly. The Eircom router has it's username and password setup on the router and connects automatically. You must have your Belkin Wireless router setup on PPPoE which is incorrect.

    Change this to Automatic Configuration DHCP and this way it will just be a wireless host and not your modem (thats the Netopia's job). Just make sure that the router IP address and DHCP starts with 192.168.2.1 and not 192.168.1.1 (you may get conflicts with the Netopia).

    wan-wireless-setting.jpg

    lan-wireless-setting.jpg

    PS: You should really secure your wireless with WPA-PSK, it's not safe to have an Open Network.

    ssid-wireless-setting.jpg


  • #5
    imported_guy
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    hmm i think ive forgot how to open the netopia setup page... and the bliken one doesnt have that setting it only has PPoE and PPoA and some others


  • #6
    cpu-dude
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭cpu-dude


    imported_guy wrote: »
    hmm i think ive forgot how to open the netopia setup page... and the bliken one doesnt have that setting it only has PPoE and PPoA and some others
    They all have them settings, the screenshots above shows an example of what will come up (it's from a similar router interface).

    Logging onto the Netopia isn't necessary, you need to log into your Belkins router interface.

    Most likely it's Gateway addres is http://192.168.2.1 and you need to change the Connection Type to DHCP (Dynamic)

    10440.gif

    Or...

    a1.jpg


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  • #7
    imported_guy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,141 ✭✭✭imported_guy


    yup see it now, thanks turning it ty dynamic now and i'll log into mac system


  • #8
    cpu-dude
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭cpu-dude


    imported_guy wrote: »
    yup see it now, thanks turning it ty dynamic now and i'll log into mac system
    Great. Also, secure your wireless network as well with WPA-PSK.

    Wireless > Wi-Fi Protected Setup


  • #9
    imported_guy
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    cpu-dude wrote: »
    Great. Also, secure your wireless network as well with WPA-PSK.

    Wireless > Wi-Fi Protected Setup

    i forgot to do this, i'll do it now, but i thought it should have worked without this on mac osx but it doesnt, still the same thing it connects to bliken but not eircom, and now i cant open the bliken page either for some reason lol


  • #10
    cpu-dude
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭cpu-dude


    imported_guy wrote: »
    i forgot to do this, i'll do it now, but i thought it should have worked without this on mac osx but it doesnt, still the same thing it connects to bliken but not eircom, and now i cant open the bliken page either for some reason lol
    You may also need to turn of the Belkin firewall since their is one on the Netopia already.

    Thats true about the wireless security but in the long run, it's needed.

    In Windows, you need to check the Belkin Gateway, do this:

    WIN + R > Type "cmd" and press OK > Type "ipconfig" and press Enter > This will give your connection information, copy and paste it here.


  • #11
    imported_guy
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    Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6001]
    Copyright (c) 2006 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

    C:\Users\Salman Talpur>ipconfig

    Windows IP Configuration


    PPP adapter Broadband Connection:

    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
    IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 86.45.169.59
    Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255
    Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0

    Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

    Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : riverwalk.ie

    Wireless LAN adapter Wireless Network Connection:

    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
    Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::7d7c:ecfa:f5ab:90e1%10
    IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.4
    Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
    Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.254

    Ethernet adapter Bluetooth Network Connection:

    Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

    Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 7:

    Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

    Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 10:

    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
    IPv6 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 2001:0:d5c7:a2d6:2089:2f6a:a9d2:69e5
    Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::2089:2f6a:a9d2:69e5%17
    Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :

    Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 12:

    Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

    Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 13:

    Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

    Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 14:

    Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

    Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 15:

    Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

    Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 19:

    Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

    Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 21:

    Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

    Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 22:

    Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

    Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 23:

    Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

    Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 24:

    Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

    Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 26:

    Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

    Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 29:

    Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

    Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 30:

    Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

    Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 31:

    Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

    Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 32:

    Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

    Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 33:

    Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

    Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 37:

    Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

    Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 39:

    Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

    Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 43:

    Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

    Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 45:

    Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

    Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 47:

    Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

    Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 49:

    Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

    Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 51:

    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
    IPv6 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 2002:562d:a93b::562d:a93b
    Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 2002:c058:6301::c058:6301

    C:\Users\Salman Talpur>


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  • #12
    cpu-dude
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    Which Eircom router are you using? The model number is underneath it, it should be 3347 or 2247.


  • #13
    imported_guy
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    its actully 3341-EIR http://www.techfuels.com/attachments/wireless-networking/7241d1225018365-netopia-3341-router-netopia-3341-router.jpg


  • #14
    cpu-dude
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭cpu-dude


    imported_guy wrote: »
    its actully 3341-EIR http://www.techfuels.com/attachments/wireless-networking/7241d1225018365-netopia-3341-router-netopia-3341-router.jpg
    Have you got that hard wired into your computer? Because according to your PC, it's connected.
    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
    Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::7d7c:ecfa:f5ab:90e1%10
    IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.4
    Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
    Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.254


  • #15
    imported_guy
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    nope i dont, its connected to bliken, and im on wireless, but it is connected to another PC directly, and it requires password/username to connect as well on that pc (running XP) its connected by USB


  • #16
    cpu-dude
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    imported_guy wrote: »
    nope i dont, its connected to bliken, and im on wireless, but it is connected to another PC directly, and it requires password/username to connect as well on that pc (running XP) its connected by USB
    You should just connect to the other computer over the network, it should be setup like below (this is the best way for the network).

    PS: Delete those Broadband Connections in Windows Vista (Windows Key + R > Type "ncpa.cpl" and Press Ok > Delete everything possible (except whats under LAN or High Speed Internet).

    10442.jpg

    Netopia setup in normal mode PPPoE (Gateway 192.168.1.254 / DHCP from 192.168.1.1-253)
    ¦
    Into WAN / Internet Port of
    ¦
    Belkin Wireless Router with Dynamic IP (Gateway 192.168.2.1 / DHCP from 192.168.2.2-254)

    Firewall turned on with the Netopia / off with the Belkin.

    Connecting wirelessly from Belkin to laptop / with LAN from Belkin to the second PC

    Two computers now connection through the Belkin router to communicate.


  • #17
    imported_guy
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    doesnt that mean i have to keep my pc turned on all the time?


  • #18
    cpu-dude
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    imported_guy wrote: »
    doesnt that mean i have to keep my pc turned on all the time?
    Of course not, nothing I advised suggest that. This setup means...

    Your getting the best speeds and use from your Belkin router.

    Your connected to your other computer automatically and Windows will detect that.

    You will be connected wireless and via a secured network so nobody can access it.

    You'll have a sophisticated setup with the easy option of adding any network device easily.


  • #19
    imported_guy
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    ok well thanks i'll try it later, but for now, i still cant get onto the bliken page to secure the network, or connect to the internet from my mac osx


  • #20
    cpu-dude
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    imported_guy wrote: »
    ok well thanks i'll try it later, but for now, i still cant get onto the bliken page to secure the network, or connect to the internet from my mac osx
    Firstly, connect directly to the Belkin with the LAN cable and hard reset it back to defaults (it defaults to Dynamic). Then configure the wireless.


  • #21
    imported_guy
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    cpu-dude wrote: »
    Firstly, connect directly to the Belkin with the LAN cable and hard reset it back to defaults (it defaults to Dynamic). Then configure the wireless.

    i only have one LAN cable which connects netopia and belkin :( if i connect the laptop and belkin it doesnt get any internet


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  • #22
    cpu-dude
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭cpu-dude


    This is just temporary so you can configure your Belkin router. It doesn't matter that it won't be 'online'.


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