Gypsy Beggars

They are becoming a real eye sore in the city.What must tourists think when they see all the major pathways thronged with them begging?Has to create the wrong impression.

Are they paying tax on their earnings? Am I racist to complain about these people receiving welfare payments and then going out to beg for some Romanian kingpin?

Gardai should get out of the ditches they are hiding in with their speed cameras and donuts and actually trace these people to addresses and see who is profiting out of this.Is it not fraud to be receiving from the state and also earning a second income?

fintonie

Davidian_ie wrote: »

They are becoming a real eye sore in the city.What must tourists think when they see all the major pathways thronged with them begging?Has to create the wrong impression.

Are they paying tax on their earnings? Am I racist to complain about these people receiving welfare payments and then going out to beg for some Romanian kingpin?

Gardai should get out of the ditches they are hiding in with their speed cameras and donuts and actually trace these people to addresses and see who is profiting out of this.Is it not fraud to be receiving from the state and also earning a second income?

one thing that is not easy is standing there begging,,, every town in Ireland has people who beg,,, I just hope I never become unfortunate enough to have to do this,,, the way the country is at the moment over the next few years alot of us will be doing things to make ends meat we never taught would of been possible.

fabbydabby

Since some vagabond act of eighteen dicktie two (I don't have a legal background-can you tell?)was appealed and ruled unconstitutional, begging is not longer illegal because beggars have to right to freedom of expression.

Do I have the right to express myself using mace I wonder?

ztoical

fintonie wrote: »

one thing that is not easy is standing there begging,,,.

there is a difference between people being left with no choice and people who do it as a job and have no intention of ever stopping. I've noticed gypsy down by the pay stations in dunnes but have just ignored them but this morning I was at the top of John Street [train station end] and saw a group of 6 gypsy women walking along together chatting and laughing. Cut to lunch time and I'm in town and I see one of the woman sitting begging and looking so forlorne and sad and broken down, it just read as fake and really annoyed me. I bet if I'd waited around in the evening I would have seen all of them walking back home together, all chat and laughs again. I don't want to see anyone having to beg and hope to god I would never find myself being left with no option except begging but I wouldn't give those women one cent.

fintonie

ztoical wrote: »

there is a difference between people being left with no choice and people who do it as a job and have no intention of ever stopping. I've noticed gypsy down by the pay stations in dunnes but have just ignored them but this morning I was at the top of John Street [train station end] and saw a group of 6 gypsy women walking along together chatting and laughing. Cut to lunch time and I'm in town and I see one of the woman sitting begging and looking so forlorne and sad and broken down, it just read as fake and really annoyed me. I bet if I'd waited around in the evening I would have seen all of them walking back home together, all chat and laughs again. I don't want to see anyone having to beg and hope to god I would never find myself being left with no option except begging but I wouldn't give those women one cent.

why did it annoy you,,, I would of been annoyed if I had gave them money,, maybe,,, but to be annoyed because they were laughing and then forlorn,,, its alot easier to laugh with people who are in your position,,, the saddest and the poorest of people will always find something to smile or laugh at,,, it helps them to keep going.

Raze_them_all

These aren't porr people, They sell the roses and hats at night, the cops take them off them, within 5 mins they've restocked again

Hank Scorpio

fintonie wrote: »

why did it annoy you,,, I would of been annoyed if I had gave them money,, maybe,,, but to be annoyed because they were laughing and then forlorn,,, its alot easier to laugh with people who are in your position,,, the saddest and the poorest of people will always find something to smile or laugh at,,, it helps them to keep going.

bull

there laughing at irish peoples stupidity to give them money

ztoical

fintonie wrote: »

why did it annoy you,,, I would of been annoyed if I had gave them money,, maybe,,, but to be annoyed because they were laughing and then forlorn,,, its alot easier to laugh with people who are in your position,,, the saddest and the poorest of people will always find something to smile or laugh at,,, it helps them to keep going.

No there's a difference between someone trying to keep their spirits up in hard times and people quite frankly taking the piss. The attitude walking down john street wasn't of people keeping their chins up but of a group of women on their way to work so to speak and then this 'O wow is me, I'm so desperate' act when they had taken up their post in town.

highgiant1985

there was a piece in the paper about this last week (the local free one not sure of name) with a quote from the local garda not to give these beggers any money that these people don't need money and its all being organised and they are coming from e.g. Dublin in the train in the morning. There might be an online version of the article.


my own two cents. When I was small I'd feel sorry for anyone I saw begging and might throw them some loose change. Nowadays I'm to sceptical and don't want to give change that'll likely get spent on drink/drugs/people who don't need it. I'd rather give the loose change to a charity I care about. It might still go to waste but I'd feel better about it.

cabrwab

Ah so its down to kk they've all gone.
I have to agree with a previous poster and say id rather give money to the simon community to help the genuine homeless people.

A group of gypsey's used to beg at the traffic lights on my way to work just off the m50 one day i saw them get changed from "normal" clothes to there begging rags! Same group i saw being given a sandwich by a truck driver and she flung it on the ground in disgust.

Really makes you think there must be money in begging!
Its a pity there seems to be a growing amount in kilkenny lately.

fintonie

rights thats it der never gettin another bob of me,

jiggajt

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This will save anyone else wasting time

jiggajt

Cabaal wrote: »

registering to look at a paper, feck that anyway.
This will save anyone else wasting time

Apologies. I didnt realise you had to register. I must have done it ages ago.

Cabaal

jiggajt wrote: »

Apologies. I didnt realise you had to register. I must have done it ages ago.

No worries,
Looks like they don;t verify the regs anyway so any old crap entered will allow access

Absolute Zero

Guys i often see these pr1cks park their van down at the bateman quay, they all live inside it and then come out for their shifts while some fat fckin roma gypsy watches over them all day, you cnt even walk down butterslip without them being there, i never even give them the satisfaction of looking at the fckers, and i wish the people would stop giving them money so they get the f'ck out of this country.

Apologies to our police force for being critical of them,I didn't know their hands were so tied on this matter.Should still be down there hassling them for papers and ask them for PPS Numbers. Revenue commissioners are based in Kilkenny, why don't they send down enforcement officers after them because if they are getting welfare payments surely their second income should be taxable or benefits cut off.Are the rules different for them?

Anyway I have developed a new strategy for when I pass them.I like to put any change I have in my fist and start rattling it as I pass them by,hoping they will approach me, so I can tell them to f u c k off!

Alfie Boon

Anyone encounter the gypsies with the photo of the sick baby,just down from mcdonalds?

bennyob

Alfie Boon wrote: »

Anyone encounter the gypsies with the photo of the sick baby,just down from mcdonalds?

yeah, at patricks church. i closed the car window as she approached and ignored her.

fabbydabby

Alfie Boon wrote: »

Anyone encounter the gypsies with the photo of the sick baby,just down from mcdonalds?

Give her a photo of some money.

upthedub

Amazing how it is not against the law to beg.These beggars are s*um thats all:D

pueblo

upthedub wrote: »

These beggars are s*um thats all:D

...and you and a few others posting in this thread sound like neo-nazis

Raze_them_all

pueblo wrote: »

...and you and a few others posting in this thread sound like neo-nazis

Really??? I've not seen one refrence to Hitler, white power or wanting to wipe them out.


But yes they should **** off, Yer one was there at the butterslip with a kid FFS.

Captain Havoc

When I lived in Paris, there was this beggar who lived on the same floor as us. The place was pretty pricey as it was in the center of Paris. This woman used to give her baby morphine to keep it sleeping while she begged, I mean what kind of looper gives a baby morphine? Any road, it is unfortunate that scammers like these put us off giving to people that genuinely need assistance. How as ever there are enough charities and agencies to deal with people who find themselves in bad positions and I would encourage anyone to give a little. I myself do collect now and again for charity (and unlike other others that were mentioned here before, it all goes to the charity).
I will give to a busker, because I do feel they liven up the street and they are making some form of effort.

fintonie

I mean what kind of looper gives a baby morphine?


I dont know but what a waste,,, I wonder would it inhance lucid dreaming

Goodshape

cabrwab wrote: »

one day i saw them get changed from "normal" clothes to there begging rags!

Saw the opposite this morning (in Dublin). A woman pulling off her gypsy dress to reveal a perfectly fine and fashionable looking pair of jeans underneath.

It was quite the transformation actually.

catbear

pueblo wrote: »

...and you and a few others posting in this thread sound like neo-nazis

A few years ago, a begger woman was done for removing the socks and shoes off her infant on a bitterly cold morning in December down the butterslip. Do you support this persons right to use infants like this? This is professional begging, it's a fact.
It's co-ordinated. We've seen them operate.

Call me what you want, but who's the biggest loser?

Answer: the child that is denied the education that's their right in every EU country. It's denied by societies that tolerate this professional begging. This ignorance is fortified when any critical discussion is labeled "neo-nazi".

This society is frustrated as it feels powerless to shape it's own laws and this failure leads to violence and racism. Open discussion is needed regardless of how unattractive the voices and words sound. The crushing of dissent and rancor by National Socialists in Germany in the 1930's should be enough of a lesson as to what happens when society surrenders too much of its own right to protest.

article about this issue here...http://www.kilkennypeople.ie/news/Beggars-could-be-affecting-city.5543507.jp

Sully

I suggest everybody take sometime to have a read over the charter which a few have decided to ignore so far.

# If you feel the need to go insulting the travelling community in Kilkenny, certain areas of Kilkenny, or certain people in Kilkenny (Add your own minorities to this list), whether it be using derogatory terms, insults, slurs, or the like, please expect a swift banning from the forum. We will notify you when your ban is to be up. (See "Note 2" for clarification)

Infractions given. Consider this a warning folks - keep that ****e up, and you will be banned.

Any debate/question/comments on this please do so over PM only.

Our country is going down the swanny and always someone to champion the cause of the people who are riding us bareback! Are you telling us we are not allowed to express an opinion about people who are ruining our country and abusing our welfare system? So you are saying that you are protecting the rights of a group of crimninals to exploit children?


You need to open your eyes! This forum may not be a democracy but last time I checked Ireland was!

By the way I'm not insulting any of these people, I want to know why they won't live within the same set of rules I'm expected to live in.

Goodshape

Davidian_ie wrote: »

Are you telling us we are not allowed to express an opinion about people who are ruining our country and abusing our welfare system? So you are saying that you are protecting the rights of a group of crimninals to exploit children?

That's not what he said or implied at all. Opinion is one thing, posts like the couple that were infracted are something else :

Absolute Zero wrote: »

these pr1cks park their van down at the bateman quay [...] while some fat fckin roma gypsy watches over them all day [...] get the f'ck out of this country.

upthedub wrote: »

These beggars are s*um thats all:D

Keep it constructive and there's usually not a problem with expressing any sort of opinion, in my experience.

Sully

Davidian_ie wrote: »

Our country is going down the swanny and always someone to champion the cause of the people who are riding us bareback! Are you telling us we are not allowed to express an opinion about people who are ruining our country and abusing our welfare system? So you are saying that you are protecting the rights of a group of crimninals to exploit children?


You need to open your eyes! This forum may not be a democracy but last time I checked Ireland was!

BUZZ! Wrong choice.

Take a few days away for ignoring my request.

fabbydabby

Was that really necessary?

Sully

fabbydabby wrote: »

Was that really necessary?

Yes. Refer to my earlier post.

Is there a topic here or shall I just close it? Or keep issuing bans to people who drag it off topic, either way is fine by me

Dan Chipowski

The only way to rid the city of these people is not to give them anything, unfortunately you'll always find some soft touch who will find a few euro in his/her pocket for them.

I suppose if it provides peace of mind for them that they have done a good deed, it's not all bad. Despite the fact most of these begging 'people' are dodgy characters to put it nicely.

Goodshape

Sort of has me feeling sorry for those that are genuinely down on their luck and out on the streets.

Maybe the upshot is that I'm now considering giving to an organisation like the Simon Community, and shunning the street begging 'professionals'.

JohnMc1

Dan Chipowski wrote: »

The only way to rid the city of these people is not to give them anything, unfortunately you'll always find some soft touch who will find a few euro in his/her pocket for them.

Agreed. The best way to get rid of them is to ignore them. When they realize they can't make money in Kilkenny they'll go somewhere else. The irony is those Professional beggars are more than likely better off than the people they are scamming.

Dan Jaman

fabbydabby wrote: »

Give her a photo of some money.

Better yet; give her a good colour laser copy of some money and when the bxtd in charge tries to spend it he'll get his collar felt with any luck. Evil, moi?

Raze_them_all

The police were looking for them selling stuff tonight

JohnMc1

Raze_them_all wrote: »

The police were looking for them selling stuff tonight

Probably because a car window was smashed last night in the front MacDonagh Junction Parking Lot.

Raze_them_all

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Probably because a car window was smashed last night in the front MacDonagh Junction Parking Lot.

Nope they were undercover walking around looking for them selling the roses and hats

JohnMc1

Raze_them_all wrote: »

Nope they were undercover walking around looking for them selling the roses and hats

Thanks for clarifying that for me Ray. There was a Gardai searching the cemetary where I live last night as well. Probably unrelated but who knows anymore.

Sully

Raze_them_all wrote: »

The police were looking for them selling stuff tonight

We get that a lot down here alright, but they usually are in full uniform when approaching and just notice them from their cars etc. They only move up the road and not fully away anyway.

Raze_them_all

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Thanks for clarifying that for me Ray. There was a Gardai searching the cemetary where I live last night as well. Probably unrelated but who knows anymore.

Yeah one of the guys in our club was one of the guys undercover thats how I know

Sully wrote: »

We get that a lot down here alright, but they usually are in full uniform when approaching and just notice them from their cars etc. They only move up the road and not fully away anyway.

They do that hear and take whatever it is they are selling, but recenly they've taken to hiding the stuff under baggy clothes once they see any uniform before the police see them, but once they go undercover they can see them without them hiding the stuff

JohnMc1

Raze_them_all wrote: »

Yeah one of the guys in our club was one of the guys undercover thats how I know

Thanks again Ray.

kizzabel

what sickens me is when they use their children to draw pity.

and why do they always target carpark pay stations? dunnes, superquinn and the mult storey on pudding lane?
if i give them my last €2, how do i get the car out?!
hello, recession?? that and the fact i dont believe that they genuinely need my help, they have mouths full of gold teeth, if times are that tough theres a pawn shop up John st.

i was in manchester recently and there were alot of homeless people in the city centre, some begging, some just kipping down for the night,
we passed a woman begging while on our way to the banklink and said we were sorry we had no money.
she then thanked us for acknowledging her.
*pulled at heart sstrings*
she didnt choose to be homeless, we did go back to give her money and food but she was gone. a just cause, unlike the gypsys

Dan Jaman

she didnt choose to be homeless, we did go back to give her money and food but she was gone. a just cause, unlike the gypsys

If I may throw a comment in.
It's unfair to categorise all Gypsies as like this lot. I've known a few who simply wouldn't do this kind of thing; this lot in the city (indeed, in many cities in Ireland) are simply chancers who are not representative of the majority of Romany people I've met.
Professional beggars are a pain in the fundament and should be dealt with using existing laws regarding vagrancy, for all they do is rob the goodwill and money that people would be prepared to give genuine hard luck cases.

iora_rua

Much, much better to contribute to The Simon Community or St Vincent de Paul, as these agencies know who the real needy are. Of course it's difficult to walk past some woman clutching a child and looking pathetic, but unfortunately you must harden your heart these days - too many 'scammers' out there in all walks of life - and anyway charity should begin at home.