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Is there a reason who Commerce points have gone so low?

  • 17-08-2009 6:16pm
    #1
    RebelGirrrl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 170 ✭✭


    In UCD & Cork it's still 450, Galway went down to 360 this year, is there a reason it's so low in Galway, why are people avoiding it and is the degree at the end any different than what you'd get in UCD?


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  • #2
    xp90
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 583 ✭✭✭xp90


    AFAIK its all about supply and demand, ie. the number of people wanting to do the course and spaces available. I dont think its anything to with the degree taught in nuig being less valuable so to speak


  • #3
    RebelGirrrl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 170 ✭✭RebelGirrrl


    But the points were low even last year before the Banking collapse, is it not a good thing to get into?


  • #4
    xp90
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 583 ✭✭✭xp90


    Well dont quote me but all points were on a decline in recent years. Now thats not to say that commerce is the easiest of courses to do despite what people say. I think its not the worst course to do, theres loads of opportunities


  • #5
    Carsinian Thau
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,054 ✭✭✭Carsinian Thau


    It has to do with supply and demand, NOTHING MORE.

    If a lot of people want a course, there will generally be high points.

    The degree is no different in Galway. It's just that less people want it or Galway has more places than others.

    If you are doing commerce in Galway, it's the same as doing it anywhere else.

    Just go and enjoy it, please.


  • #6
    the-island-man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 497 ✭✭the-island-man


    I heard a good while back near the start of all the recession talk that the esri predicted that the financial services sector was going to contract by more than 10% over the next few years, that could be the reason for the lack of interest.
    Really though you shouldn't decide to do a course because of the job prospects because you can never really tell what the job prospects are going to be like when you graduate.
    Do what you're interested in!


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  • #7
    RebelGirrrl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 170 ✭✭RebelGirrrl


    I asked before on another forum but got no answers, not sure if it's because no one really has they're just not responding, but has anyone ever been able to work abroad with it?


  • #8
    Jugs82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Jugs82


    Commerce is more than Financial services - there is marketing, accounting etc.. all of which are solid careers

    There has been a drop in demand for these jobs but come 3 years time, everything should be different (fingers crossed ;))

    I completed the H.Dip in Marketing Practice from NUIG after doing Business in UL for 4 years and actually got the job through the NUIG Course.

    Also met a lot of people and work with people ho did commerce and all the subjects I covered in UL were covered in NUIG also, so in terms of diiferences in business/commerce courses - i dont think there is a huge difference!! As another poster said, its all about supply and demand, no. of places available etc...


  • #9
    Jugs82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Jugs82


    RebelGirrrl wrote: »
    I asked before on another forum but got no answers, not sure if it's because no one really has they're just not responding, but has anyone ever been able to work abroad with it?

    How do mean work abroad??

    All courses from NUIG are internationally recognised, so thats not an issue - of course you can work abroad, thats your choice!!


  • #10
    RebelGirrrl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 170 ✭✭RebelGirrrl


    Has anyone here done it though? Would you really need to specialise in something, would it be well-regarded abroad?


  • #11
    Jugs82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Jugs82


    RebelGirrrl wrote: »
    Has anyone here done it though? Would you really need to specialise in something, would it be well-regarded abroad?

    I have a few friends abroad in Australia, UK & Germany - they all have good jobs so I assume it is - to be honest, most employers look at experience and the mark attained, not the college.


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  • #12
    Carsinian Thau
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,054 ✭✭✭Carsinian Thau


    RebelGirrrl wrote: »
    I asked before on another forum but got no answers, not sure if it's because no one really has they're just not responding, but has anyone ever been able to work abroad with it?

    Your question was answered by another poster. Here it is: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=61642156&postcount=10

    That degree is accredited (something you already know from a different thread). So it is recognised abroad.

    Stop worrying about it. Get your degree and leave the country if you want to. You will be able to do so. Or you can stay here and work. The degree will be valid and recognised either way.

    Basically, once you have a commerce degree, you can work in commerce.


  • #13
    the-island-man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 497 ✭✭the-island-man


    Jugs82 wrote: »
    Commerce is more than Financial services - there is marketing, accounting etc.. all of which are solid careers

    Fair enough about the marketing it definitely isn't a financial service but I would have always regarded accounting as a financial service!


  • #14
    Jugs82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Jugs82


    the-island-man wrote: »
    Fair enough about the marketing it definitely isn't a financial service but I would have always regarded accounting as a financial service!

    To a degree but accounting covers quiet a lot - Chartered, Certfified etc... You can become a financial/management accountant within a company, payroll etc...

    I would look at financial services as the IFSC tye company, not your run of the mill 9-5 company that has an accountant or even your local accountants firm - maybe I'm wrong but its just the way I classify it :)


  • #15
    oneofakind32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭oneofakind32


    RebelGirrrl wrote: »
    Has anyone here done it though? Would you really need to specialise in something, would it be well-regarded abroad?

    The truth is, nowadays degrees count for less and less and a masters/PHD dosnt gaurentee you anything either. No course (bar maybe medican) gaurentees employment after completion. A comerese degree would be recignised in most places. Law is really the only degree that you cant travel with as laws vary from country to country. Having a degree shows that you are able to apply yourself to a subject and get results, that in its self is valuable to an employer so no matter what job in what country a degree is going to stand in your favour regaurdless of the subject (obviously if the degree was relivant to the position your at more an advantage). If want to make yourself more employable well rounded graduate, get involved with societys and clubs. You'll learn alot about business by getting out there and organising events for clubs and socs.


  • #16
    becksy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39 ✭becksy


    Jugs82 wrote: »
    How do mean work abroad??

    All courses from NUIG are internationally recognised, so thats not an issue - of course you can work abroad, thats your choice!!

    Just wondering is Corporate Law recognised abroad I heard it's not?


  • #17
    Carsinian Thau
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,054 ✭✭✭Carsinian Thau


    becksy wrote: »
    Just wondering is Corporate Law recognised abroad I heard it's not?

    It's an accredited degree so of course it's recognised abroad. You may need to do some extra work ( e.g. LLB etc.) but you'd probably have to do that with any law degree to be fair.

    Can I ask where you heard that it wasn't recognised abroad?





    As an aside: what the hell is with so many posts asking if degrees can be used abroad or not? If they're accredited, they can.


  • #18
    becksy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39 ✭becksy


    Carsinian Thau wrote: »
    It's an accredited degree so of course it's recognised abroad. You may need to do some extra work ( e.g. LLB etc.) but you'd probably have to do that with any law degree to be fair.

    Can I ask where you heard that it wasn't recognised abroad?





    As an aside: what the hell is with so many posts asking if degrees can be used abroad or not? If they're accredited, they can.

    My friend's brother went for an interview in the US they didn't recognise the B. Corp but recognised the LLB. Told him after that they wouldn't have given him a job based on the B. Corp because they had no idea what it was! It wasn't a law job something in management.

    And regarding your last part of post, sure don't we all want to get out of this feckin country! Good thing to know if you can use your degree abroad :p Personally I'd love to go to Berlin, went travelling Europe this summer and that place was very cool!


  • #19
    Carsinian Thau
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,054 ✭✭✭Carsinian Thau


    becksy wrote: »
    My friend's brother went for an interview in the US they didn't recognise the B. Corp but recognised the LLB. Told him after that they wouldn't have given him a job based on the B. Corp because they had no idea what it was! It wasn't a law job something in management.

    I'm honestly quite surprised by that.

    Maybe they don't place much emphasis on degrees and hence that's why they only recognised the masters?

    (That's abit of a stretch to be honest).
    becksy wrote: »
    And regarding your last part of post, sure don't we all want to get out of this feckin country! Good thing to know if you can use your degree abroad Personally I'd love to go to Berlin, went travelling Europe this summer and that place was very cool!

    Well, actually, I think I'd be quite happy to stay.

    Although, I do accept that I may change my mind in a few years.


  • #20
    RebelGirrrl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 170 ✭✭RebelGirrrl


    So, anyway are you saying that a B.Comm by itself would be enough or would you definitely need more?


  • #21
    becksy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39 ✭becksy


    Carsinian Thau wrote: »
    I'm honestly quite surprised by that.

    Maybe they don't place much emphasis on degrees and hence that's why they only recognised the masters?

    (That's abit of a stretch to be honest).

    Maybe it was just that particular company that's all he told me but maybe there was more to it than that. A good few people on the course say it's not worth much on it's own but I don't know where they're coming from. I enjoy the course and generally people go on and do an LLB or LLM or something after so I'm not worrying :p


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  • #22
    Carsinian Thau
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,054 ✭✭✭Carsinian Thau


    becksy wrote: »
    Maybe it was just that particular company that's all he told me but maybe there was more to it than that. A good few people on the course say it's not worth much on it's own but I don't know where they're coming from. I enjoy the course and generally people go on and do an LLB or LLM or something after so I'm not worrying :p

    I really think that that's the important bit. It's like a lot of people I know who are working for toward getting a BSc intend to go on to get an MSc. Not because the BSc is worthless but that the MSc will be worth more.


  • #23
    _ZeeK_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 282 ✭✭_ZeeK_


    postgrad tends to be the industry standard in many sectors.

    i think a lot of the reason for the decline in points in commerce/law/civil engineering is market trends. points tend to fluctuate with the markets. back in the early 90s, before the .com crash, IT was highly desirable and had high points. the government sees science and technology as the future, hence the spike in points for science. i wouldn't worry about commerce having low points at the moment. go enjoy your course, if its really what you want to do, and hopefully things will have picked up by the time you've graduated :)


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