Gave months notice, landlord wants me to pay to end of next rental month !!!.

mnfbbmi

Hi
I am renting a room from a private landlord. No lease has been signed. I am in the property almost 6 months. Rent is due on the 1st of each month. I gave one months notice on the 11 of July 2009. When the rent was due on the 1st of August my land lord wants me to pay for the entire month of august !!!! As far as I am concerned I only have to pay from the 1st of august to the 11 of august as i gave him notic on the 11th of July.

Can any body please advise as I have been talking to the prtb and they said it is a " grey" area.

Thanks

Cathmandooo

No lease was signed?

I don't see why you'd have to pay further than when you're staying there. It's just paying what you owe and you gave the right notice. Is your tenancy registered with the PRTB? Did you pay a security deposit?

biko

It's 17 Aug today, did you leave at 11th?

Kipperhell

It has always been a grey area as people view it differently. Some landlords think you can't rent for half a month and will always round up. Using the logic you can't bite a doughnut and only pay for the amount you ate.

A months notice is considered a calender month by most as opposed to what you are saying which is 4 weeks notice equivalent to a month but it is not actually a month.

You could pursue it but it will be a lot of hassle and you are not automatically correct unlike many issues others have in front of the PRTB.

biko

I can see how the landlord would want a full months rent then, although he could have been nice and let you off.
Once you have left the premises, keep coming back occasionally to make sure he hasn't let "your" room out before the end of the month.
Hope you get deposit back, this guy seems to be the kind who'd try to hold on to it.

Carawaystick

Surely a month's notice runs from the xth of this month to the xth of next month. That's how it works for redundancy and bank withdrawals anyway.

astrofool

You have to give 28 days notice: http://www.threshold.ie/page.asp?menu=70&page=240
(finally updated to tell people about non part 4 tenancies).

As the prtb said, it's a grey area, and could have been avoided if you had given your notice a few days before the 1st of the month, instead of the 11th, I presume you gave them a written notice, following this template http://www.threshold.ie/documents/Notice%20of%20termination%20updated%202%20July%202008.doc (otherwise the landlord could chase you for the next months rent as well, legally).

It will probably take a court case to decide what the ruling would be in these cases, and it may end up that even with part 4 tenancies, the tenants will sign that they pay rent on the X of the month, and that the minimum rental time is 1 calendar month (rather than notice + 1 month).

Carawaystick

I re-read the OP's post.
they are renting a room - this is not a rental agreement, it's a license.
I'd definitely say the OP only needs to pay for 11/31th of the month of August, if even that, as a person in a rent a room has much less security of tenure than a "renter"

mnfbbmi

Cathooo wrote: »

No lease was signed?

I don't see why you'd have to pay further than when you're staying there. It's just paying what you owe and you gave the right notice. Is your tenancy registered with the PRTB? Did you pay a security deposit?

Hi Cathooo.
I paid one months deposit, and Im not registered with the prtb.

mnfbbmi

Carawaystick wrote: »

I re-read the OP's post.
they are renting a room - this is not a rental agreement, it's a license.
I'd definitely say the OP only needs to pay for 11/31th of the month of August, if even that, as a person in a rent a room has much less security of tenure than a "renter"

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mnfbbmi

Kipperhell wrote: »

It has always been a grey area as people view it differently. Some landlords think you can't rent for half a month and will always round up. Using the logic you can't bite a doughnut and only pay for the amount you ate.

A months notice is considered a calender month by most as opposed to what you are saying which is 4 weeks notice equivalent to a month but it is not actually a month.

You could pursue it but it will be a lot of hassle and you are not automatically correct unlike many issues others have in front of the PRTB.

Hi.
But when I moved in on the 10th of Feb my land lord had no problem me paying rent from then to the end of the month, to save him having to call round again on the 10th of each month to collect my rent. I think he knows he is wrong but just wont admit it

mnfbbmi

Carawaystick wrote: »

Surely a month's notice runs from the xth of this month to the xth of next month. That's how it works for redundancy and bank withdrawals anyway.

Hi.
That is what I was thinking, and I have been doing it this way since I started renting acc about 15 years ago. Makes sence.

Ste.phen

Why would it? Especially in a somewhat less formal situation like the OP seems to have, there's surely no difference to the landlord when the OP leaves, be it 1, 20, 30 days into a month, once they know a month in advance?