Two Tiers for Sports in Limerick

tommy249

So this is a thread I have been thinking about starting for awhile now and would be interested in getting other peoples views.
Are there two tiers for Sport Organisations in Limerick City when it comes to the City Council. For example, when the Gaelic Grounds was re-developed a few years ago it took several application attempts to get planning approval. When it was finally approved there was a huge list of conditions. For example, the new stand could not be covered as it would be too high. The GAA could not put a score board at the Clare side, (later appealled) no floodlighting was allowed and the application specifically disallowed concerts in the Gaelic grounds.
A couple of years later the GAA again applied for floodlights and this was again disallowed. Then last year it was third time lucky - flood light approval was granted - with conditions. The masts on the new stand side have to be inside the stadium. Take a look at where they have to put the floodlights - It will look stupid

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So then Munster Rugby decide to re-develop Thomand Park. No height restrictions for the stands, City Council sellings houses to allow for the development and the Mayor at the time publically saying that he hopes there would be no objections. Guess what, planning approval was granted first time, concerts approved and all and no conditions (correct me if I'm wrong)

Anyway, just came across this on the internet so it seems that there are others thinking the same as me

http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer/2008/11/12/story77166.asp

ninty9er

Residents groups in Clareview are stronger than those in Balla, and know who to annoy to block stuff. That's what I gathered.

D-A-V-E

the floodlights are all up in the gaelic grounds in case you wern't aware..probably the tallest set of lights iv ever seen!

http://www.archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?t=3946&page=98


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tommy249

D-A-V-E wrote: »

the floodlights are all up in the gaelic grounds in case you wern't aware..probably the tallest set of lights iv ever seen!

http://www.archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?t=3946&page=98


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Ta the ones on Semple Stadium are really tall as well. The GAA must use the same company for all their stadiums.

source

I would imagine that the amount of money brought into the city by the two organisations has a lot to do with it, and i know that some idealists are going to be quite upset by this, but the fact of the matter is that, the council need to run the city like a business for it to survive, in that regard, it will look after an organisation who bring in a large amount of money, by bringing thousands and thousands of people into the city for a couple of days each week. Likewise it won't be as flexible with an organisation who bring in a couple of thousand daytrippers that turn around at the end of their day out and head home without leaving a whole lot of money in the city.

for example, you're a business, and you have to set up a meeting for two businesses, the first you have the opportunity of making millions and millions of Euro, the second a few hundred thousand, the first, you're going to take to a fancy restaurant and pay for everything, the second will be a half hour job in the office, in this example the first is Munster, with dinner being replaced with a fancy new stadium, the second being the GAA, being slowly given permission to improve their stadium.

also op that link you have shown, has someone from Na Piarsaigh giving out about the hoardings that go up around the city for munster games, This has a lot to do with businesses using the success of munster as an advertising platform, The Limerick hurling and football teams, havent's given local business a reason to get behind them in such a way. I know it's not ideal and that all our local teams should get the same treatment, but it is unfortunately not the way it works in reality.

As pointed out by another poster, the people in Clareview would have a lot more clout with the council than the people from Ballananty.

Also one final point, is that the GAA being so insular does not help its cause when it comes to outside help being sought. I understand the reasoning behind it but in fairness it's the 21st century lads.

wylo

Theres alot more Munster fans in limerick city than gaa fans, residents were never going to complain about Thomond Park. And the people that lost their houses got something like 4 or 5 times the value of their house I believe.

Besides, I dont get the point of your post, it seems nearly everything that the gaelic grounds wanted they got eventually, granted with a bit more hassle, but now theres even talk of concerts going on there, maybe the residents are having a change of heart after seeing the success of Thomond park.

edit: just read the link you posted, it was very harsh him being told to take down the sign alright, but he seems to be more disgruntled about that and is taking it out on Thomond park.

Amazotheamazing

Here's why, and only a fool would complain, imo.


The Economic Impact of a Thomond Park Match
23 June 2009, 9:42 am
By BDO Simpson Xavier
An economic impact study commissioned by Munster Rugby has revealed that the Heineken Cup quarter final match against Ospreys in April, generated €10.5 million for Limerick.
The study conducted by BDO Simpson Xavier, Limerick revealed that the financial contribution to the city and region has grown by over €6million for such fixtures as a result of the new stadium development and increased capacity.
Commenting on the impact of the Heineken Cup games on the city, Munster Rugby CEO Garrett Fitzgerald said “We are delighted that the investment made in the new Stadium is having such a positive economic impact for Limerick and the wider business community. We were always aware of the level of business activity in the city on the strength of Heineken Cup matches however these study findings confirm the economic potential of stadium events for Limerick City and the Mid West region.”

Mark O’Connell, Consulting Director with BDO Simpson Xavier outlined "the study reveals a number of major profile benefits for the city in addition to the obvious financial boost these games generate. The previous economic impact study conducted for the Munster versus Wasps game in January 2008 highlighted an almost identical spend per visiting supporter of €530 over the weekend of the games. The major difference for the city is now the ability of Thomond Park to accommodate more Munster and visiting supporters and create a much higher level of economic activity across the city."

He added "the value of the media coverage for the city and region is also very significant. Games such as the Ospreys game can create a latent tourism spend effect of €12 million for the city based on the international match coverage across all media formats. It was estimated that the value of global media coverage for the city for the past season was €58 million including the All Blacks game last November."

Commenting on the overall impact of Munster games at Thomond Park, Sales and Marketing Manager for Munster Rugby, Glyn Billinghurst explained “It is important that we now build on the findings and information gained from these two studies and provide the supporters visiting Thomond Park with activity and events around the match to enhance their visit to Limerick. The Study also identified a clear need to publicise the activities, offers and events that are organised in Limerick City in advance of any match weekend. This will help grow the major economic impact of any Munster Rugby Match or event in Thomond Park”.

Key Report Findings

The redevelopment of Thomond Park Stadium has resulted in the creation of a major economic stimulus for the local economy. The Ospreys quarter final match resulted in generating an economic impact of €10.485. The direct expenditure from Irish and Welsh supporters was €4.194.
The application of sensitivity analysis to the economic impact findings highlights an economic range of between €8.388 million and €12.58 that will accrue to city businesses from such events. The match also resulted in 280 part time jobs created over the weekend across local hospitality, food, beverage and retail sectors.
The study of spending patterns of 445 Ospreys supporters revealed an average spend of €527 per visiting supporter which is similar to the findings of the Economic Impact Study conducted at the Munster versus Wasps pool game where the average spend was €537.
27% of expenditure went on accommodation with 68% of visiting supporters budgets spent on Food & Beverage in the city.
The average expenditure per local supporter revealed a number of average expenditure sub categories ranging from €32 to €260.
Local accommodation providers are of one of the major beneficiaries with 3912 bednights generated locally for the Ospreys match.
Visiting supporters stayed an average of 2 nights each while one in four Ospreys supporters stayed three nights or more.
The study reinforces the major economic benefits that accrue to the city from events hosted in Thomond Park Stadium however one of the major outcomes of the study is the level of positive social impact such events have locally.
A pre departure study conducted among Ospreys Supporters with the assistance of Shannon Development highlighted that the majority of visiting supporters focused on the destination as a sporting and rugby. 66% of the visiting supporters associated the city with Munster Rugby, Thomond Park and sport.
The perception of Limerick among visiting supporters focused on the welcoming, friendly and sociable nature of the city.
The top three rated aspects of Limerick among the 445 visiting supporters surveyed were Friendliness of local people, Limerick is a sports orientated city and thirdly the great Atmosphere throughout Limerick.
Supporters were asked to rate the best aspect of their visit to Limerick. 22.9% referred to the atmosphere and fun in the city on the match weekend. A further 20.6% highlighted the friendly and welcoming people of Limerick while 19.4% rated the social life in the city as the best part of their trip. 7.1% rated Thomond Park and their highlight with a further 5.9% commenting on the overall city of Limerick as the best element of their visit.
The exposure received for Limerick through media focus on the match and in the build up is also a major contributor to developing the image and profile of the city. Based on media coverage and the latent tourism spend over the following year the Ospreys game created a further tourism value of €12 million for the region. The media value of the four Heineken Cup games and All Blacks game hosted in Thomond Park was €58 million.
Analysis of local supporter spend suggest that Magners League games will create an economic impact of between €1.2 million and €3.5 million for the city.
It is estimated that the value of the two scheduled summer concerts hosted at Thomond park will generate €9.9 million each. A sample of 13 city hotels revealed 100% occupancy for the Elton John concert recently held in Thomond Park.

wylo

no offense op, but I think after the way limerick performed today you picked the wrong week to post this:D

osarusan

Maybe three tiers considering the zero amount of help Limerick FC get from government in the city.