Retro CT linkage (alien civilisations)

studiorat

Chariots of the Gods, film from 1970 about aliens starting civilisation here on Mars. :cool:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2438806817103904864

Hilarious BTW.
With some good footage of Bagdhad in the late 60's

Ridiculous book and film.
Only good thing that came from it was Stargate.

Mahatma coat

I thought it was good, a bit long tho, raised some interestin points, the ones that stand out for me are those paintings of 2 rockets on a turkish chapel wall and most of the ancent cave paintings, some were a stretch but others were fairly clear.

also, the ark of the Covenant, anyone know about it??



and it has some great shots of Nazaca at the end, I cant see how its anything other than a runway.

oh and the cargocult bit was aq poigniant reminder of how all this superstitious hokum starts off

studiorat

I thought the cave painting from Japan looked more like a carrot than a space ship.

Mahatma coat

the Japanese Rocket Sketch????? I thought that was fairly clearlt a 50's retro throwback

the church I mentioned is at 23 odd minutes into the Docco, its in Yugoslavia not Turkey and is called the church of DeSani/Dizani/The Sani I dont feckin know, I've been havin a bit of difficulty finding it on google.

I watched it again last night, I wouldnt mind discussing it with some openminded people.

indough

Mahatma coat wrote: »

the Japanese Rocket Sketch????? I thought that was fairly clearlt a 50's retro throwback

the church I mentioned is at 23 odd minutes into the Docco, its in Yugoslavia not Turkey and is called the church of DeSani/Dizani/The Sani I dont feckin know, I've been havin a bit of difficulty finding it on google.

I watched it again last night, I wouldnt mind discussing it with some openminded people.

i think youre referring to the dechani monastery, which is in kosovo afaik

Mahatma coat

yup, thats them alright.

so anyone want to give an interpertation as to what these fellas represent???

indough

its impossible to tell really, id be inclined to put that kind of thing down to pure imagination personally

but on the wider question of et's as gods (loosely defined as our creator perhaps), id be more inclined to beleive in that than in the traditional view of a god, but even having said that id be even more inclined to believe we're just here by accident :cool:

Mahatma coat

See the thing is tho, the red one appears to be burning due to entering the atmosphere, this is something we can recognise easily as we have a frame of reference for it, this is the point the docco was makin about these paintings, the initial artists mayt have actually met with people in spaceships but future generations who didnt meet them had no frame of reference, hence superstition and mumbojumbo fill in the gaps in their knowledge, til enough time has passed that the legend replaces the fact.

the positions of the pilots in the vehiches is interesting too.

Kernel

indough wrote: »

id be even more inclined to believe we're just here by accident :cool:

You should read up on some of the latest hypotheses on intelligent design. Check out Stephen Meyer's latest book, interesting read. Might open your mind... you never know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_C._Meyer

EDIT: On topic, OP why post a thread about something you simply seek to ridicule? Any reason apart from ... dare I mention the 'T' word? You know the one, it ends in rolling.

jonbravo

Mahatma coat wrote: »

See the thing is tho, the red one appears to be burning due to entering the atmosphere, this is something we can recognise easily as we have a frame of reference for it, this is the point the docco was makin about these paintings, the initial artists mayt have actually met with people in spaceships but future generations who didnt meet them had no frame of reference, hence superstition and mumbojumbo fill in the gaps in their knowledge, til enough time has passed that the legend replaces the fact.

the positions of the pilots in the vehiches is interesting too.

so what do ya think of the maps which were in the docu!?

Mahatma coat

it would apear that the maps were creatd by someone at a fixed point above Cairo.

Now some people may point out that hot air baloons and Camera Obscura light boxes are simple and feasible technology but what sort of altitude would you have to be at to see Antartica from Cairo? can a person function at that height without a sealed and presurised environment?

I wouldnt expect to find more than fletingreferences to advanced technology after the Dark ages, remember that this was an era in European history where ignorance and superstition reigned supreme and was generaly directed by Luddite Fundies hell bent on wiping out anything that didnt conform to their world view.

however, the few remainin records of these contacts are presentedinthe Docco, some are clearer than others but there does appear to be an uderlying element of similarities across them.

Mahatma coat

Just did a quick Google earth expirement, Start in Cairo, zoom out til you can se roughly whatthe map shows

Eye Alt approx 8000 KM


so that rules out baloons then

any other suggestions as to how the maps were created.

another thng I found whenI was researchinthis docco, there are about half a dozen different inca model 'planes' just like the one we discussed inthe Nazaca thread, and someone has scale mdeled a few of them, THEY FLY. I'll have a look for the photo

very cool, lookin at them as a group of pieces the plane motif sems more obvious

jonbravo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUU3eN5bqA0&NR=1

ive never heard of these maps before so i'll have to dig a little more.
but i find them very interesting........

Lone Stone

indough wrote: »

i think youre referring to the dechani monastery, which is in kosovo afaik

You know whats interesting about this picture the one on the right, I was story boarding an idea for a little animation on the ancient astronaut theory and i was looking up all these pictures and i zoomed on this one and from the way it looks without zooming in it looks like a human head turned around backwards, But when you zoom in you see the front of it looks like a visor, you know like of a motor cycle helmet. And the face is just wierd bumps.

bonkey

jonbravo wrote: »

so what do ya think of the maps which were in the docu!?

I haven't watched the docu, but given that its CotG from Erich von Daniken, I assume its the Piri Reis map you guys are talking about.

Steven Dutch gives it a once-over.

Coolest thing - there's reason to believe it was originally a map of the world.

Mahatma coat

yep, thats the one, tis well cool

just thinkin tho about the google eye alt, 8000KM is based on not movin yer head at all, so for a second expirement I took Ptolemeys Geography and allowed meself the pan function, yer still at 1500 to 2000 KM tho, so thats still outside the realms of baloons.


a world map you say?? Tell me more I'm intriguesed

bonkey

Its in the content of the page I linked to.

Mahatma coat

Yeah I saw that bit

from link wrote:

Most important is that references to maps of Asia, plus some fragmentary lines south of Africa, indicate that this was originally a world map which was torn in half along the eastern edge. Wouldn't it be marvelous to see the other half?

I was just wonderin if you had any information on the eastern half

bonkey

Afraid not...as far as I know, its never been found...its just mentioned in the "margin notes" of PR.

Mahatma coat

shame, that'd be cool.

what do you make of Ptolmeys map, that is undoubetedly older and has a lot of the same types of mistakes as the PR regards proportions and a complete lack of the southern indian ocean, could it be the fabled other half???

I might have a look about on the web tonight as I'm obliged to remain sober til sometime around 1AM
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Stupidfeckintruckdriversandtheirinabilitytograsptheimportanceofschedules
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I was thinkin about startin a thread about ancient/lost technologies I saw something in one of the links last night about the Egyptians having lightbulbs.

studiorat

Mahatma coat wrote: »

See the thing is tho, the red one appears to be burning due to entering the atmosphere, this is something we can recognise easily as we have a frame of reference for it, this is the point the docco was makin about these paintings, the initial artists mayt have actually met with people in spaceships but future generations who didnt meet them had no frame of reference, hence superstition and mumbojumbo fill in the gaps in their knowledge, til enough time has passed that the legend replaces the fact.

the positions of the pilots in the vehiches is interesting too.

As far as I could see, I just thought one was the Sun (the red one with the flames) and one was the Moon. Have a look again and you'll see what I mean.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/readers/2008/12/08/8_3.jpg

Mahatma coat

well clearly, thats yer most likely default reference for the images, but the positions on the fresco and the general vibe of it, mainly its context, once you start lookin again at these things more detail comes out, its the positions of te two pilots that most intrigues me.

Mahatma coat

these things are interestin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baghdad_Battery

some different theories as to what they were for, I do think it was a power cell meself.

I might see about knockin one up when I can

Right, got me multimeter, got me Selastic, got some wire, off down to hte hardware to get some big copper pipe, some threaded bar, some amphiree(sp) and a bucket of something acidic, maybe a variety of acidic substances. oh and a few lightbulbs, if they work then I'll see about knockin up a motor, also I'll bring the digfital camera to document it

suey71

There's actually a sequel to the above mentioned film. It's called Mysteries of the Gods. with William Shatner.

Kind of rehashing what was said in the first film with some newer footage.
Thats 1976 new footage:rolleyes:.
I enjoyed it anyway.

suey71

Check this out. Erich Von Daniken has his own theme park.
Mystery Park in Switzerland. Opened in 2003 and had its 1,000,000th visiter in 2005.Now there are plans to open 4 more around the world.
Theres even a working model of the Egyptian Light bulb that Mahatma Coat is making.:D.

Mahatma coat

nah, lightbulb is beyond my scope for a weekend jobbie :D:D

I am gonna make the batteries and a motor.

So far I have assembled

Amphiree == Glass Coffee Jars
Iron core == 12mm threaded bar
Acid == brown Malt Vinegar, but I'll have a hunt around for something stronger.
Copper cylinder == the bit I dont have yet, I'll have to wait til monday to get to a proper plumbing supply store for a 2-3 inch copper pipe
Bitumen == polyurethane sealant/adhesive
wire == wire, duh;)

so thats the battery. Im gonna start there but obviously I'll be huntin for bits to make the motor with at the same time.

but batteries first

suey71

Sounds like your serious.

Fair play t,yeh.

post a few picks when you have it done.

jonbravo

bonkey wrote: »

I haven't watched the docu, but given that its CotG from Erich von Daniken, I assume its the Piri Reis map you guys are talking about.

Steven Dutch gives it a once-over.

Coolest thing - there's reason to believe it was originally a map of the world.

thanks for the link....
as we can see from the superimposed maps their is little to think otherwise that the piri reis map does show europe and africa as it is really clear.....
i do however question steven dutch on the lack of similaritys between north america as to be vague at best... i'll later say why i think this.

most likely from the link, i think we can rule out antarctica as to be seen on the map, unless you hold fate with the earth growing theories....
the piri reis map does show south america swinging far east on the map however {maybe its just me} but i feel the latilude to scale is not important when we come to this point on the map,which to me points out the east coast of south america . now im no expert or anything.

Mahatma coat

Ok, updates

got the pipe, ended up going for 50mm as it fits nicely into the jars I have.

have cut it all and am waitin for the sicaflex to dry.

couple of issues so far,


naff all brown vinegar left so I ended up havin to buy 2L of white

Im not sure about the lid of the jar tho, its made of tin and Im not sure about whetehr or not to replace it with something timber, I probably will tho.

thecommander

Mahatma coat wrote: »

Ok, updates

got the pipe, ended up going for 50mm as it fits nicely into the jars I have.

have cut it all and am waitin for the sicaflex to dry.

couple of issues so far,


naff all brown vinegar left so I ended up havin to buy 2L of white

Im not sure about the lid of the jar tho, its made of tin and Im not sure about whetehr or not to replace it with something timber, I probably will tho.

What are you trying to achieve? Is it just a bit of fun at home or are you trying to prove something? Hasnt it already been built and shown to generate a current?

Mahatma coat

yeah, it has, but I do still like to have a physical workin object in front of me to understand what they could and couldnt do with them, and its fun, and interestin, and I personaly think it;d be interestin to see exactly how simplisticly one could evolve, but mainly just for something to do of a sunday afternoon

jonbravo

Mahatma coat wrote: »

yeah, it has, but I do still like to have a physical workin object in front of me to understand what they could and couldnt do with them, and its fun, and interestin, and I personaly think it;d be interestin to see exactly how simplisticly one could evolve, but mainly just for something to do of a sunday afternoon

make sure you take pictures

Mahatma coat

yeah I'm gonna document it as I go along, I think a motor should be fairly straightforward to do too, then its a case of seein what sort of consistency and scalability was possible, I'm already considerin different configurations to try

just something interestin and surprisingly easy to do, which is part of the reason for doing it

studiorat

Nice little project, have a look at this. It should produce a few milliamps.

http://www.science-projects.com/RedoxPot/RedoxPotentials.htm

BTW drain cleaner and some stuff like that has hydrocloric acid. I'd try orange juice though...
Galvinised nails sometimes have a zinc coating which is better than copper too!!

Thing is you'd need more than just a few pots etc to have lighting. You'd also need a lightbulb. When they find light bulbs I might be convinced. Other suggested uses include a system for electro-plating and just storage of scrolls.
You often fing scrolls are stored in metal tubes.

Mahatma coat

RIGHT SO

heres what I ahve so far

its still settin Again cos I changed the top bit, I'll bring it to work tomorrow and set it up durin lunch as a somethin different to do,.

dependin on the current and voltage of this design I have anidea for a fairly simple V2 with more cells the sort of thing you could knock up in a 5000 year old pottery dish

jonbravo

fair play Mc , looking good. might even try this myself some time soon.

suey71

I might as well be lookin into a bush..

but fair play to you.;).

Mahatma coat

OK Update

1.2V
0.0002A


iron core is already gettin a nice coppery finish, so eloctroplating is an obvious use for the device, but I'm still going to see if I can make a working principal Motor. fairly simple design like.


OK To explain to those individuals who might be curious.

this stems from the 'Ancient Astronaut' theory, I'm curious to see how difficult it would have been to create working models from scratch for a lot of the things that we take for granted as common knowledge, if for example your futuristic spaceship got blasted through a rift in time and space any you ended up in ancient Mesopotamia with a broken craft, how difficult would it be to knock up some devices to

1) demonstrate the theories

2) scale the devices up to something parctical

the second bit is gonna be the hard one

tallus

Has anyone ever heard of the "Alien Exchange Programme" .
Stumbled onto this while browsing ufo stuff over the weekend. Very interesting reading.
Not sure where it originated from but there's a lot of reading on the site regarding an alleged exhcange programme set up in the late 1960's between the United States and an alien race from the Zeta reticuli Star system.
Apparently 12 U.S. Military personnel went aboard an alien craft and travelled to the Zeta Reticuli star system and one alien stayed on earth.

Linkage Here

I have to say, I do have an interest in the whole UFO phenomenon and it made great reading for me, but there are a lot of pages to be read.

I'm not looking for anyone to prove the whole thing wrong or right, but I found the link very interesting.

jonbravo

tallus wrote: »

Has anyone ever heard of the "Alien Exchange Programme" .
Stumbled onto this while browsing ufo stuff over the weekend. Very interesting reading.
Not sure where it originated from but there's a lot of reading on the site regarding an alleged exhcange programme set up in the late 1960's between the United States and an alien race from the Zeta reticuli Star system.
Apparently 12 U.S. Military personnel went aboard an alien craft and travelled to the Zeta Reticuli star system and one alien stayed on earth.

Linkage Here

I have to say, I do have an interest in the whole UFO phenomenon and it made great reading for me, but there are a lot of pages to be read.

I'm not looking for anyone to prove the whole thing wrong or right, but I found the link very interesting.

i also found it interesting http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZF3BfDNAvs&feature=related , just came across this video and i know how some feel about shows like this etc....