The Brave Irish Men and Women who served during WW1

DrumSteve

Just want to express my dismay at the lack of recognition for these brave people who served during the war. I know the memorial park is there and that is a monument to them but in general there doesnt seem to be much in the way of recognition from official Ireland. not much I can do about it however we owe these people a debt of gratitude and I, for one, think that they were brave as **** especially in places like the somme and flanders.

GA361

They were very brave men alright . . . but I think the reason that their important role in WW1 does not get any recognition today is because of the republican movement which occured around the same time.The 1916 Rising-1923 marked an upsurge in the will to achieve independence and this is shown through the Anglo-Irish War and the Civil War.Unfortunately for the brave men who fought at the Somme Gallipoli etc,their bravery was over-shadowed by the civil unrest and independence movement going on at the time and proceeding the Great War.

arnhem44

You could nearly go as far as saying as being brushed under the mat for the best part of half a century,the things these men must of went through must of being horrific.The memorial park is something and looks great from the photos(never being there)but the fact it took so long to finish and then for it to fall into disrepair over the years told its own story about Irelands veterans memory,at least now its back to its former condition and I think Ireland has growing up alot these past few years and as the centenary of the war approachs people are now realising what these men sacrificed

Morlar

I think its possibly an unusual side effect of the peace process of the last few years.

The progression from where we were collectively to where we are now which is by and large a place where we can look again at that key period of history from a viewpoint which is less entrenched in simple republicanism etc I think if the nation /govt placed a higher emphasis on what these men did it would be a sign of political maturity. I think there is a way to go yet but even in the last 10 years the change (I don't mean in terms of monuments or commemorations etc) in the public perception has been substantial in my view.

McArmalite

DrumSteve wrote: »

Just want to express my dismay at the lack of recognition for these brave people who served during the war. I know the memorial park is there and that is a monument to them but in general there doesnt seem to be much in the way of recognition from official Ireland. not much I can do about it however we owe these people a debt of gratitude and I, for one, think that they were brave as **** especially in places like the somme and flanders.

Isn't there a memorial to them out at Islandbridge, what more do you want ? A 24 hour a day, 365 days of the year ' recognition '. This forum is sad, very sad. The guilt complex and obession here with the british army is a joke :rolleyes:.

eamo12

McArmalite wrote: »

Isn't there a memorial to them out at Islandbridge, what more do you want ? A 24 hour a day, 365 days of the year ' recognition '. This forum is sad, very sad. The guilt complex and obession here with the british army is a joke :rolleyes:.

I think it's a shame we don't recognise the real soldiers of the 20th century without whom we would not be free. Unlike the bus bombers and baby-killers of the IRA who cowardly fought a phoney war so we could be enslaved in their version of national socialism.

McArmalite

eamo12 wrote: »

I think it's a shame we don't recognise the real soldiers of the 20th century without whom we would not be free.

Six of our counties are still not free. We had to kick the britis out to get freedom for 26 of them. It's the IRA, Fenians, United Irishmen etc who we have to be thankful to for freedom, the brits were our occupiers.

Unlike the bus bombers and baby-killers of the IRA who cowardly fought a phoney war so we could be enslaved in their version of national socialism.

Their's probably been no army in the world who have killed more babies than the british army.

eamo12

McArmalite wrote: »

Six of our counties are still not free. We had to kick the britis out to get freedom for 26 of them. It's the IRA, Fenians, United Irishmen etc who we have to be thankful to for freedom, the brits were our occupiers.

Their's probably been no army in the world who have killed more babies than the british army.

They seem pretty free to me last time I was up there. So you admit the IRA murdered innicent children, deliberately. Thats what the IRA did, and shames our country. I'm glad the brits defeated the marxist IRA.

McArmalite

eamo12 wrote: »

They seem pretty free to me last time I was up there. So you admit the IRA murdered innicent children, deliberately. Thats what the IRA did, and shames our country. I'm glad the brits defeated the marxist IRA.

eamo12 wrote: »

They seem pretty free to me last time I was up there. So you admit the IRA murdered innicent children, deliberately. Thats what the IRA did, and shames our country. I'm glad the brits defeated the marxist IRA.

Look we could go on forever that the IRA did this, the brits done that, it's all been done before and doubtless will be done again - though you were the one who brought the IRA into it. No matter what the IRA even if they wanted to, they'll never match the british army when it comes to war crimes, I think most Irish people would agree with that, except the Andy McNab and Chris Ryan groupies that populate boards.ie.

Anway, back to the orginal topic. I mean there is a fine memorial to them in Islandbridge, I cann't understand what there is to grumble about ?

But anyway, can you tell me, if WW1 was about the freedom of small nations, how come the british empire was bigger at the end of it than before it ?


( * And here's a link where none other than General Sir Mike Jackson who was invovled in drawing up the report that concedes for the first time that it did not win the battle against the IRA - but claims to have "shown the IRA that it could not achieve its ends through violence". It describes the IRA as "a professional, dedicated, highly skilled and resilient force", while loyalist paramilitaries and other republican groups are described as "little more than a collection of gangsters".
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/6276416.stm)

McArmalite

arnhem44 wrote: »

You could nearly go as far as saying as being brushed under the mat for the best part of half a century,the things these men must of went through must of being horrific.The memorial park is something and looks great from the photos(never being there)but the fact it took so long to finish and then for it to fall into disrepair over the years told its own story about Irelands veterans memory,at least now its back to its former condition and I think Ireland has growing up alot these past few years and as the centenary of the war approachs people are now realising what these men sacrificed

" The memorial park is something and looks great from the photos(never being there) " Jayus that's just perfect, he comes on winging and moaning about it but he's never been arsed to go and to see the memorial - which is something that I have out of respect for the immeasurable suffering and death to the Irishmen fooled by Redmond and the usual culprits, the 'respectable' media, the pulpit etc into fighting in a war not for the freedom of small nations, but for the maintence of empire.

Indeed it wasn't just the Irishmen but the man of all sides conned into believing they were fighting for freedom. But as an Irish nationalist the best sentiments regarding WW1 were best summed up by the Sinn Fein and Volunteers slogan - “We serve neither King nor Kaiser but Ireland”

arnhem44

Still saving McArmalite I'm afraid,but when I do get there I'll make sure theres plenty of photos taken and posted up here just for you

eamo12

McArmalite wrote: »

( * And here's a link where none other than General Sir Mike Jackson who was invovled in drawing up the report that concedes for the first time that it did not win the battle against the IRA - but claims to have "shown the IRA that it could not achieve its ends through violence". It describes the IRA as "a professional, dedicated, highly skilled and resilient force", while loyalist paramilitaries and other republican groups are described as "little more than a collection of gangsters".
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/6276416.stm)

Professional when it comes to blowing the kneecaps of kids and planting devices in dustbins in crowded streets and blowing holes in innocent passers by. Yep, that's the cowardly shinners all right.

McArmalite

eamo12 wrote: »

Professional when it comes to blowing the kneecaps of kids and planting devices in dustbins in crowded streets and blowing holes in innocent passers by. Yep, that's the cowardly shinners all right.

Another insightful and interesting post regarding WW1 :rolleyes:

eamo12

McArmalite wrote: »

Another insightful and interesting post regarding WW1 :rolleyes:

Thank you -please, lets hear more about the glorious, efficient and brave IRA :rolleyes:

McArmalite

eamo12 wrote: »

Thank you -please, lets hear more about the glorious, efficient and brave IRA :rolleyes:

And another insightful and interesting post regarding WW1 :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Anway, back to the orginal topic. I mean there is a fine memorial to them in Islandbridge, I cann't understand what there is to grumble about ?

Poccington

Lads, I'm gonna assume you aren't a bunch of 11 and 12 year olds so let's stop acting like it. If you wanna keep making petty comments between yourselves, I'll gladly start throwing some infractions into the mix.

Cop on.