Tweaking & Modding Forum

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I think it needs' to be tidied up and moved/merged with Building & Upgrading. I don't think there is enough traffic on Tweakin & Modding, at least not anymore, for it to be completely separate from a forum (B&U) which typically has the same subject matter and far more users.

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*bump*

Is this in the right forum?

Ruu_Old

You are in the correct forum, it probably should be merged. Maybe give the forum moderators a chance to reply, or send them a PM to alert them to this post.

AlmightyCushion

Seeing as they both share a common ground and community, merging them would probably be for the best.

Jonathan

Were they ever the one forum at any stage?

henbane

Isn't tweaking/modding meant to be about interesting projects whereas building/upgrading is more about advice related to what is basically expensive lego?

Anti

Ive asked for this before in the Mod forum when i used to mode both of the mention forums. Nothing ever happened. I think it would be for the best of the forum as its really low traffic and has been for a few years now.

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So is somebody gonna move it then....

Blowfish

Jonathan wrote: »

Were they ever the one forum at any stage?

Tweaking and Modding was created first and was pretty much used for both. Building and upgrading was created later as T&M was pretty busy and mostly filled with OC'ing threads.

Ponster

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So is somebody gonna move it then....

Without either one of the mods from either forum posting in the thread...I doubt it.

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Ponster wrote: »

Without either one of the mods from either forum posting in the thread...I doubt it.

I've just PM'd them all.


It might be a good idea to do a re-shuffle when they are medged, remove and replace one or two existing ones. Not that any of them aren't doing a good job, not to my knowledge anyway, but dynamics of a forum change over time and change can be a good thing.

MiCr0

i don't have a problem with this

TerrorFirmer

It was quite popular for a long time, mostly for building/OC'ing logs and advise being asked for same. Now those topics are pretty much a staple of Building and Upgrading. It has served its purpose very well in the past but I see no harm in merging it now that it's relatively quiet.

One thing though is that too many of such topics can look rather intimidating to new users who might be dissuaded from posting or asking advise...even though they share common ground now initially they were aimed at different user levels.

Anti

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I've just PM'd them all.


It might be a good idea to do a re-shuffle when they are medged, remove and replace one or two existing ones. Not that any of them aren't doing a good job, not to my knowledge anyway, but dynamics of a forum change over time and change can be a good thing.

Is that some sly round about way of saying "Make me a mod"

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Anti wrote: »

Is that some sly round about way of saying "Make me a mod"

No, more of a direct way of suggesting that they look at the B&U forum and look at how much Solitaire is contributing to user quiries AND the general momentum of the forum.

Anti

yup, he was one of the people i put forward to replace me. none were picked.

TerrorFirmer

I agree Solitaire is an excellent poster and the most helpful in the entire forum. As for me, well, the past few months I've just been busy the entire time between crazy work and social matters. I don't get to post much on boards at all, just on B&U/Graphics the odd time. I do however read the forums, move threads when needed, and check email for reported posts. That's generally the criteria for any mod, of any forum - that they look after the forum and ensure it runs correctly and without incident or clutter. Not that it's not better to have a mod that's interested in the field, naturally it is, but implying a mod needs to be changed or reshuffled because of a lack of presence is not really fair grounds.

AlmightyCushion

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

I agree Solitaire is an excellent poster and the most helpful in the entire forum. As for me, well, the past few months I've just been busy the entire time between crazy work and social matters. I don't get to post much on boards at all, just on B&U/Graphics the odd time. I do however read the forums, move threads when needed, and check email for reported posts. That's generally the criteria for any mod, of any forum - that they look after the forum and ensure it runs correctly and without incident or clutter. Not that it's not better to have a mod that's interested in the field, naturally it is, but implying a mod needs to be changed or reshuffled because of a lack of presence is not really fair grounds.

I don't think anyone is imply that you aren't doing your job. I do think that whenever a forum undergoes a big change like this that it would be best to look at the mod presence on the forum and see if it needs changing (add more mods, remove older inactive mods, if the focus of the forum has shifted then maybe the existing mods might not be as interested to mod it etc.). For what it's worth, from what I've seen you're doing a good job modding the place.

TerrorFirmer

Sorry, did I come across as a little defensive?

To be honest, I'll be asking shortly to be replaced by Solitaire anyway, if he'll accept the honors. I just don't get on enough and often not for stretches so I'm becoming increasingly unsuitable to even fulfill the basic overseeing task of being a mod.

Firefox is the most challenging application that my pimped out rig has faced in over two months...

AlmightyCushion

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

Firefox is the most challenging application that my pimped out rig has faced in over two months...

I know the feeling. I've got a high end gaming pc upstairs yet I spend most of my time on my netbook pissing about online.

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Wahey

AlmightyCushion

has anything changed, I donrt think it has but then agains I'm pretty hammered.

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*twiddles thumbs*

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TerrorFirmer

I requested to be replaced by Solitaire a good while back, still waiting on that shift. As for the merging of the forums, that requires an admin.

Trojan

Under discussion in Admin forum - we'll be back with you soon.

Admins, here's a link.

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Trojan wrote: »

Under discussion in Admin forum - we'll be back with you soon.

Admins, here's a link.

I can't see it. Make me Admin.

Anti

Why not make T&W a subforum of B&U ? Both are on similar subjects, but not quite the same.

Trojan

Anti wrote: »

Why not make T&W a subforum of B&U ? Both are on similar subjects, but not quite the same.

Comments on that from interested parties, please.

Jonathan

I'm in favour.

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Anti wrote: »

Why not make T&W a subforum of B&U ? Both are on similar subjects, but not quite the same.

Jonathan wrote: »

I'm in favour.

I'm against. Aside from the topics being much of a muchness, as has been stated here already, there are two other reasons:

1) As it stands, a proportion of the material posted in T&W would be better suited in B&U.

2) Of the rest of the material posed in T&W, new posts and regular disscussion on the topic are something of a rarity!


I don't think there will be demand for even a sub-forum seeing as how there is little discussion on tweaking and other mods on a regular basis.

Jonathan

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I'm against. Aside from the topics being much of a muchness, as has been stated here already, there are two other reasons:

1) As it stands, a proportion of the material posted in T&W would be better suited in B&U.

2) Of the rest of the material posed in T&W, new posts and regular disscussion on the topic are something of a rarity!


I don't think there will be demand for even a sub-forum seeing as how there is little discussion on tweaking and other mods on a regular basis.

It keeps the existing communities intact tho.

AlmightyCushion

Jonathan wrote: »

It keeps the existing communities intact tho.

But the communities are more or less the same. Most people who use one use the other. I think they should both be merged as they share similar topics. A new forum name would be needed something like Building and modding.

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AlmightyCushion wrote: »

But the communities are more or less the same. Most people who use one use the other. I think they should both be merged as they share similar topics. A new forum name would be needed something like Building and modding.

I'm going to be really pedantic but...... Modding is Upgrading!

Blowfish

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I'm going to be really pedantic but...... Modding is Upgrading!

<pedant>

Upgrading implies replacing parts with newer/better parts. Modding is changing existing parts. Lapping would be considered modding, but isn't really upgrading anything.

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TerrorFirmer

Blowfish wrote: »

<pedant>

Upgrading implies replacing parts with newer/better parts. Modding is changing existing parts. Lapping would be considered modding, but isn't really upgrading anything.

</pedant>

Well, technically it's bettering your machine, upgrading its performance; so...:D

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TerrorFirmer wrote: »

Well, technically it's bettering your machine, upgrading its performance; so...:D

+1.


My point exactly.

Blowfish

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

Well, technically it's bettering your machine, upgrading its performance; so...:D

Fine then, how about something like this case mod. Doesn't really improve the performance

leninbenjamin

Blowfish wrote: »

Fine then, how about something like this case mod. Doesn't really improve the performance

it's an upgrade in terms of looks though.

anyway,

I'm not sure what merging the two forums will achieve. There's a huge amount of overlap in almost all of the Comp & Tech sub category, I think the whole sub category needs a wee bit of a rethink.

for example, the "what graphics card to buy" question often becomes a major component of upgrading threads, yet there's an entire forum dedicated to graphics? And a lot of the Tweaking and Modding are generic "where can i get XYZ" type threads equally suited to B&U. And across all forums is a healthy set of generic 'help with problem' threads...

so how bout a rethink of the category?

I see a few dominant themes myself that aren't really catered for explicitly and overlap a lot;

• Enthusiasts discussions
• Problem diagnosis
• Hardware discussion

so my suggestion would be to introduce a generic computer help forum for diagnosing and solving problems (I've seen it work well on other forums I've been involved in), getting rid of tweaking and modding and replace it with two subforums in B&U, an Enthusiasts corner (for overclocking and modding) and a Hardware discussion forum (from everything to reviews, new product discussion and the more specific, what connectors/sockets/part to use type).

Graphics is the one I'm stumped about though more so than the others. I think it's a good idea to keep hardware discussions out of it, as that causes too much overlap, but then the rest is simply help topics and the software Q? I really can't tell what's the primary purpose of that forum is.

Anti

As en ex-mod to both the mentioned forums i can see the difference, B&U is more where people go for help on :

1: Is this rig/ram/gpu/cpu good.
2: Should i buy this or..
3 Where can i buy this or that.
4: I have X ammount to spend, what should i buy.
5: Lots of random crap that could be in other forums.

T&W on the other hand is usually used for:

1: I have X cpu cooler, what do you guys have experience with being the best fan running this type of setup, or what have you heard?
2: I have X cpu, i have a QPI set at X etc etc im running into X problem etc etc.
3: Hey guys, i have a gtx 270, ive heard its possible to flash the 275 bios onto this, know anything?
4: Im looking to build a compltely custom rig, what materials and the likes should be used, where can i get such and such a thing custom made (papu for example, and many others. although alot of these build logs have been lost some how)

As you can see, the problems are simiar(ish) but not quite the same. While T&W is a much quieter forum now (mainly due to 90% of the contributers there now being in contact on msn and the likes) the inherant likeness' of the forums are a world apart. Merging the two, i feel whold be a mistake.

Adding B&U as the parent, and T&W being the child forum would be a much better idea, no need to change mods, just merge them.

A Rename, i think thats a great idea, ive even asked for T&W to be changed to "overclocking" before, but it was decided not to go ahead with this. This bring on the points LeninB made above me, some great ideas there, but not quite in the right direction.

As AC mentioned above, renaming it to Building & modding, in theory yes, but the two topics are too different to fit into the same forum. The topics like "im looking for advice on X cpu with overclocking" etc etc would never ben seen with the ammount of "Need gpu upgrade" "what cpu to get" and all that.


IMHO it should be as this:

-Building & upgrading
-- Tweaking & Modding

You could even throw in a 3rd forum specificially designed for benchmarking, as a subforum again to T&W

Personally, i think if you stick the typical B&U user and merge them with the T&W forum you will get a lot of:

"Guys im stuck on a QPI of 301, cpu is running cool but am finding random crashes" you will get answers like "Hav u updatd wndowz / U sure yew got dat new .net 2.5 upgrade, my couzin sayz its the ****" and all that. The forms need to be kept seperate in my eyes.

Trojan

Just a heads-up: I'm still reading this thread. Not sure we've come to any definite conclusion here yet though, so the jury is still out.

PogMoThoin

With Intel cpu's overclocking so much there'll always be a need for a tweaking and modding forum. If the mods would move the tweaking, modding and overclocking threads that are posted in the wrong forums there would be loads of posts, but that doesn't happen.

Anti

PogMoThoin wrote: »

With Intel cpu's overclocking so much there'll always be a need for a tweaking and modding forum. If the mods would move the tweaking, modding and overclocking threads that are posted in the wrong forums there would be loads of posts, but that doesn't happen.

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