Barry-Murphy move stalls

Orizio

Very disapointing, could have done great things with our decent Under-21s. The fact that a legend like Jimmy Barry-Murphy can't even choose his own selectors is disgraceful, as is the fact that Teddy McCarthy is due to be a selector despite being both very unpopular and having a son in contention for the team. Rumours abound as well that Barry-Murphy wished to appointment to be done quietly rather then all over the press.

THE anticipated appointment of Jimmy Barry-Murphy as Cork U-21 hurling manager did not materialise at a Cork County Board meeting last night.

It had been expected that the Leeside legend, who managed the 1999 All-Ireland winning Cork team, would resume duties with the Cork U-21 team.

But an appointment has been deferred until the next County Board meeting. It is unclear as to why Barry-Murphy's appointment did not press ahead but there is some speculation that he would not be picking his own selectors and that three members of Gerald McCarthy's backroom team -- Teddy McCarthy, Ger Fitzgerald and John Mortell -- would be working with him.

Link.

Lemlin

I don't even follow hurling but I'm getting sick of hearing about the Cork hurlers for all the wrong reasons. Can they keep nothing simple?

The county setup seems to be a joke. They should just be banned from intercounty competitions until they can sort it all out.

Orizio

I don't even follow hurling but I'm getting sick of hearing about the Cork hurlers for all the wrong reasons. Can they keep nothing simple?

The Cork Hurlers??? Did you read the few paragraphs? This is about Jimmy Barry-Murphy and the CCB, Cork's senior hurlers don't come into it.

The county setup seems to be a joke.

Understatement of the year.

They should just be banned from intercounty competitions until they can sort it all out.

Maybe.

Lemlin

Orizio wrote: »

The Cork Hurlers??? Did you read the few paragraphs? This is about Jimmy Barry-Murphy and the CCB, Cork's senior hurlers don't come into it.



Understatement of the year.



Maybe.

It's still Cork hurling though isn't it? And are the U21 team not Cork hurlers? They are all a bunch of primadonnas tbh.

Now the underage setup is getting into the same sort of messes as the senior setup.

LeoB

When is the county convention?

Remember YOUR CLUBS decide the issue not the Cork executive, but if you dont have your homework done the rule book will be stuck so far up your A** it will need to be surgically removed.

Now is the time to start planning if people in Cork really want change. I say really because some people will just talk and keep their mouth shut when its important to speak out. Get your motion to your club and if you need to you may need them to have an E.G.M to discuss and decide a strategy for the convention. You will also need to contact members in other clubs and then if you need go public with what your club decides.

Then how do you know your delegate will vote as directed?

On J.B.M I really like him. Seems a nice man. Was at a talk by a former Intercounty referee, Noel O'Donoghue and he reckons J.B.M was one of the greatest sportsmen he had ever seen or met. He booked him in a railway cup final and said he later regretted it. Every time he met him after J.B.M would be trying to explain what happened and he was booked in the wrong.

Would not like to se him get messed around.

Orizio

The county convention is coming soon I believe, the Clubs Forum have listed a large number of areas where they will try and force changes on. Unfortunately, many club delegates simply don't want to go against the status quo, and I'm not sure the issue of selectors will come up.

Orizio

Lemlin wrote: »

It's still Cork hurling though isn't it? And are the U21 team not Cork hurlers? They are all a bunch of primadonnas tbh.

Now the underage setup is getting into the same sort of messes as the senior setup.

What the ****ing christ are you on about? This is about Jimmy Barry-Murphy and the Cork County Board, their relationship and the issue of selectors, not about the Under-21 players. DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

You really should read the article posted.

The_Kew_Tour

Lemlin wrote: »

I don't even follow hurling but I'm getting sick of hearing about the Cork hurlers for all the wrong reasons. Can they keep nothing simple?

The county setup seems to be a joke. They should just be banned from intercounty competitions until they can sort it all out.

Well by God I can see that to be honest I say you dont really follow GAA by sounds of it:rolleyes:

LeoB

Orizio wrote: »

The county convention is coming soon I believe, the Clubs Forum have listed a large number of areas where they will try and force changes on. Unfortunately, many club delegates simply don't want to go against the status quo, and I'm not sure the issue of selectors will come up.

If you forumalate a motion for your club your delegate has to vote as he or she is directed. Well they should. This not only a problem in Cork it happens all over the country where favours are done during the year and they are called in at the County Convention.

The single item of appointing a manager might not come up but the process for the way a county handles any vacant managerial post can be raised from the floor or a change to the rules can be proposed but this usually can have a 12 month period before it comes in.

Get to work.

Orizio

We don't have a delegate. We are a junior club. Junior clubs in Cork do not have delegates. We have practically no say.

I've explained this to you before.

LeoB

Orizio wrote: »

We don't have a delegate. We are a junior club. Junior clubs in Cork do not have delegates. We have practically no say.

I've explained this to you before.

You are entitled to have a say, O'Sullivan, Murphy or no one can stop you. If I were you I would check the official Guide.

1) Motion to club
2) motion with ammendments (if any) goes to convention
3) Motion voted on. It stands or it falls.

I remember you telling me this ok but I still think they cant stop you. The offical guides if memory serves me supercedes all other rules so follow procedures correctly and your motion must be giving an airing. I was at a Union meeting recently where I could not speak as I was not the elected delegate he was sick. Only he could speak on business on behalf of us all I could do was take notes. I was not happy with this but they would never get through the agenda if each time someone new came in they raised questions already dealth with in some form at a previous meeting. This could be similar to the way Cork board operates in so far as if you have over 100 delegates at county board meeting and they all wanted to speak they would never get through their business.

Is there a seperate rules convention where motions are examined to see if they go before convention? This is where motions run into trouble as the experienced operators will listen to the debate let the motion go through and under rule they hammer it at convention.

I will look into this over the next few days and get back to you by end of next week.

Rocky7

Yes, Lemlin. We're all sick to the teeth of it. Sick of what/who is at the root of it all for so many many years. Also sick of the fact that it's so difficult for people who have not been exposed to the carry on for all these years to understand. We all hoped that it could be finished for once and for all - the nastiness, the pettiness, the lack of democracy etc etc . It would be great to see Jimmy Barry Murphy at the helm, with the FREEDOM to manage. That's not going to happen for now.

Orizio

Thanks Leo. I'll check if the Club's Forum will bring this up during the Convention, I find it hard to believe they won't after this Jimmy Barry-Murphy incident.

Orizio

Yet more jobs for the boys then.

Off RebelGAA.

Ger Fitzgerald (manager), Teddy McCarthy, John Mortell, Darragh Holland and Don Cronin for the U21s. Seanie McGrath a selector for the Minors.

shockframe

im getting sick to death of hearing about the problems in cork myself but the fact that teddy mccarthy is a selector with the under 21s says it all about the ccb.this the same man who was involved in the sideline incident in pairc ui caoimh 10 days ago and whose son is underage next year(good player though).had great respect for him as a kid.watched the best of 89 football video and he was outstanding but by god he has gone down in my estimation.

should we call the cork 21s sarsfields in 2010?