importing AEG's into Ireland

T4RGET

Hi
I can't seem to find a straight answer and as ussual the poloce station is'nt open, highly doubt they'd be able to help anyways but,:p
I want to order some stuff of RSOV.com. now i think ordering grenade m203, mags and all that is fine, but what about the actual gun itself, im hoping for a JLS FN 2000, sig sauer p226 , M1911, and WE baby hi cappa as well as mags and other listed above, (reason for so much is as i;m orederin supplies pretty much for my hole team lol). Has anyone had any previous problems with customs charges, or seized items. i heard bad stories but then i realised it was from UK so i was just wondering. or do i have to get some kind of "pass" from customs.
If anyone has any suggestions. i was gonna order just the m203,etc and the pistols but getting everything in on go will be a lot easier.

thanks!

Stercus Accidit

Shipping and VAT will be high, but once all that gear is under 1 joule its fine to import for now, there is a law change coming up though which will prevent private importing, I'm not certain myself of the implementation date.

bullets

Still not sure myself if we can or cannot currently import airsoft guns as it Today/Tomorrow/This week/next week

The bills were passed and the President has signed them
off I think.......so dunno if that means now we cant? or
if there is some time period. I for one would love to see an
exact data printed on something official so I am not in breech of
these new laws.

Theres a number if items I want at present moment in time
that are on a long wish list that I dont have funds for and I doubt the Irish retailers
will be stocking them with their regular stock any time soon.

I dont know who actually suggested to the Dept of Justice
that Importing of Airsoft Guns by non-retailers ie the average joe soap would be banned ? Did this
come from Bodies representing airsofters ?
Or was the idea from the DOJ themselves?

~B

lochdara

The import ban in not yet in. Something to do with all the legal bits for licences needs to be sorted first so there will be no shortage of equipment.
No exact date mentioned yet though from what i have read.

Puding

already been a small thread about this http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055631219

you best bet thought is for any specific questions to ask over at the iaa forums or even email them as there the guys working with the authority to put this all into place http://www.irishairsoft.ie/forum/

seems to be every few days asking something about the new law but very few people actually asking over on the iaa forums:rolleyes: some people have been asking question thought http://www.irishairsoft.ie/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=351

fayer

bullets wrote: »

I dont know who actually suggested to the Dept of Justice
that Importing of Airsoft Guns by non-retailers ie the average joe soap would be banned ? Did this
come from Bodies representing airsofters ?
Or was the idea from the DOJ themselves?

~B

Just to clarify, importation of Airsoft devices would have been be made illegal due to the EU weapons directive. Any discuession the IAA had with the Department would never have been able to change this fact, this decision was made at EU level quite some time ago. All EU member states will have to follow suit in the very near future.

Importation is still legal and will be until Sept / October. We will be warning the community as soon as the date is set on the restriction.

zero19

If it helps anyone i'm expecting an army detonics from ebairsoft via EMS (yep i'm shocked it got through heathrow too) tomorrow morning, customs charge free also (thats happened the last two times i imported an airsoft device oddly, once from UPS and now EMS/An Post).

Edit just read fayers post, horray lol

kevteljeur

bullets wrote: »

I dont know who actually suggested to the Dept of Justice
that Importing of Airsoft Guns by non-retailers ie the average joe soap would be banned ? Did this
come from Bodies representing airsofters ?
Or was the idea from the DOJ themselves?

~B

I don't know who it was that actually suggested banning airsoft altogether? Did this come from bodies representing airsofters? Or was the idea from the DOJ themselves?



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deepimpact

tbh, if it comes to a ban on personal imports or a complete ban, it becomes a no-brainer, especially since the restriction will be in place in the future anyway.

We definitely need more "glass is half full" people here.

T4RGET

So it pretty much still not clear if it's fully in place yet, see this is what annoys me why can't airsofters get a yes or no answer instead of " hhhhm ye I THINK we signed a bill saying it's illegal but you can still import untill xxxxxxx" like why can't our government just say yes it's fine with charges or no.period. they make stuff so complicated.:mad:

NakedDex

I think the rationale behind having retailers only being allowed import is regulation more so than anything. If every import comes through a licenced importer/retailer then it is that companies responsibility to ensure all devices are in compliance with the law, or risk damaging their business (possibly even ending it).
While this is a bit of an inconvenience for some, it benefits us all in that "the powers that be" now see the safety limits as a regulated and maintained limit, with consequences for breaches. This means the occurance of a hot gun at a site will be cut down to one of two reasons; a) the retailer knowingly sold an illegal gun or b) the user knowingly upgraded the gun beyond the limit. In both cases there is now, finally, clear boundries and clear repercussions to eliminate this filthy grey area which has resulted in so many arguments and so many dangerous reports (and I'm still hearing them regularly).

This isn't just a stipulation to save the sport, it's there to make the sport safer for everyone by simply ensuring the laws are adhered to. It may be inconvenient for us all to get certain special orders through stores instead of direct, but it's a price I, and many others, would gladly pay to end the danger of overpowered equipment.


T4RGET, per Fayers post, it's still legal until September/August. The exact date be announced when confirmed.

bullets

puding wrote:

you best bet thought is for any specific questions to ask over at the iaa forums or even email them as there the guys working with the authority to put this all into place http://www.irishairsoft.ie/forum/

My personal preference is to post on boards.ie
I cant explain why very well. I do pop over to the IAA board from time to time
and read whatever updates that are sent out via email (which is nice)
I just prefer to read and post here first. It my first port of call when it comes
to airsoft news/talk/banter/updated as most other airsoft related sites are banned
in work!

fayer wrote: »

Just to clarify, importation of Airsoft devices would have been be made illegal due to the EU weapons directive. Any discuession the IAA had with the Department would never have been able to change this fact, this decision was made at EU level quite some time ago. All EU member states will have to follow suit in the very near future.

Importation is still legal and will be until Sept / October. We will be warning the community as soon as the date is set on the restriction.

Thanks thats info I did now know.
So all Eu Countries will be in the same situation as oursleves where
the Private individual will not be able to import from outside their own country ?

T4RGET

NakedDex wrote: »

I think the rationale behind having retailers only being allowed import is regulation more so than anything. If every import comes through a licenced importer/retailer then it is that companies responsibility to ensure all devices are in compliance with the law, or risk damaging their business (possibly even ending it).
While this is a bit of an inconvenience for some, it benefits us all in that "the powers that be" now see the safety limits as a regulated and maintained limit, with consequences for breaches. This means the occurance of a hot gun at a site will be cut down to one of two reasons; a) the retailer knowingly sold an illegal gun or b) the user knowingly upgraded the gun beyond the limit. In both cases there is now, finally, clear boundries and clear repercussions to eliminate this filthy grey area which has resulted in so many arguments and so many dangerous reports (and I'm still hearing them regularly).

This isn't just a stipulation to save the sport, it's there to make the sport safer for everyone by simply ensuring the laws are adhered to. It may be inconvenient for us all to get certain special orders through stores instead of direct, but it's a price I, and many others, would gladly pay to end the danger of overpowered equipment.


T4RGET, per Fayers post, it's still legal until September/August. The exact date be announced when confirmed.

O ok thanks ( and you to Fayers ) but it is the case like i said in previuos post, they have not got a date but september is a good while away, especially if its Sep/Aug so i'm guessing its like 30ish of September.
But i'm guessing that they still have to be 1 or under the legal limit of a joule,
even if importing. Might ask RSOV.com to downgrade, anyone know if they can do that bfore exportin.
What about m203 launcher, grenades, pistols, are they all fine?

thanks everyone tis place is great getting really good answer:cool::D

T4RGET

Bullets i got to agree with you i way prefer boards.ie although i only started, it is so good and iaa is awesome but thier forums are so hard to navigate, might just be me

Captain Chaos

While overall this import ban may be a good thing in regard to regulation of airsoft guns in the country and is going to happen either way. I'm making it my business this month and next to order as many of the harder to get AEGs that are not stocked here as I can.

Due to very small scope of airsoft in this country and the very limited market base the selection of AEGs and GBBs, while respectable is fairly limited in all honesty and understandably so (you don't want to fill up shelf space with a load of product that is slow to move) and special order AEGs even when you take shipping and duty into consideration you can still save around €200 ordering from Asia directly than getting an Irish retailer to order just 1 in for a select customer (in my personal experience on certain items). Granted they have to get a cut it to make it worth while as a livelyhood but there seems to be massive whole sale price differences between EU and Asian suppliers on certain AEGs even when you add in the VAT and duty etc.

Then you also have the issue that, you can see an AEG or GBB on an Asian website and just order it then and there and have it in 3-4 days max seeing as customs don't hold any of my imports anymore, I think they know me at this stage. If you were to ask one of our retailers to try and source one, they are either not available through the respective wholesaler or there is a month back order. This is a rare example but has happened me 2 or 3 times.

What I am wondering is can Irish retailers buy in AEGs as private buyers from other sites as we would if a certain item was not in stock from wholesalers. Or would this type of business come under the import ban and not be allowed?

A few of the guns on my list I know I'm not going to get round to in time are,

Ares AW.338
Ares L1A1
Ares FNC

Once I acquire them and a few other stragglers I'll be happy and so with the credit card.

T4RGET

Captain Chaos, Is this what you are looking for. i never heard of an g3 a3 but i googled it and i recognised it.
http://www.eirsoft.ie/store/product_info.php?cPath=22_31&products_id=223

might not be but if it is then


i want to order soon enough, are accessories ok like grenade launchers, pistols, grenades , mags etc?

Captain Chaos

The A3 is similar to the SG1 but a bit different, and I want one with a metal body, CA are the only ones that make metal bodied G3s.

Edit: Plastic receivers on their G3s, scrap that idea then. Well thats two off the list.

Witcher

Captain Chaos wrote: »

The A3 is similar to the SG1 but a bit different, and I want one with a metal body, CA are the only ones that make metal bodied G3s.

Pity their internals are made of plastic:pac:

I've one of those G3's, it's really solid plastic, bit light overall though, could look into getting a metal body for it if one exists seperately.

Tommyboy71

T4RGET wrote: »

But i'm guessing that they still have to be 1 or under the legal limit of a joule,
even if importing. Might ask RSOV.com to downgrade, anyone know if they can do that bfore exportin.

Yes. You definitely have to get them downgraded before they ship. Not sure whether they do but I am sure someone has the answer to that question.

Gatling

Blay wrote: »

Pity their internals are made of plastic:pac:

I've one of those G3's, it's really solid plastic, bit light overall though, could look into getting a metal body for it if one exists seperately.

you can get few metal recievers for the G3 from HK

Witcher

Gatling wrote: »

you can get few metal recievers for the G3 from HK

Be interested in one myself:)

bravestar

In answer to the original question. I orderd a WE SCAR GBBR on thursday, as of today (monday) it is in my hands. So, yes, You CAN still import for yourself.

PS. The WE SCAR is the sh*t.

Lordhogo

T4RGET wrote: »

Captain Chaos, Is this what you are looking for. i never heard of an g3 a3 but i googled it and i recognised it.
http://www.eirsoft.ie/store/product_info.php?cPath=22_31&products_id=223

might not be but if it is then


i want to order soon enough, are accessories ok like grenade launchers, pistols, grenades , mags etc?

I am quite sure getting all those accessories will be fine.

Toasty113

bravestar wrote: »

In answer to the original question. I orderd a WE SCAR GBBR on thursday, as of today (monday) it is in my hands. So, yes, You CAN still import for yourself.

PS. The WE SCAR is the sh*t.

Hey where did you order it from that you got it that quick? Oh, and since its WE, can you sort up here when it breaks? I'd like to get one of those and just want to know the quality.

Captain Chaos

WGC and RSOV have them, I usually get GBBs and AEGs from any HK retailer in 2-3 days, UPS and TNT express ship throughout the weekend. WE GBB don't have as many aftermarket parts compared to WA and all the AGM and ACM parts. You can build a clone GBB M4 from pure parts alone at this stage unless you have a WE which is very very limited in parts.

One of my packages was sent out on Saturday from HK and I got it yesterday morning.

Simeadrach

Heads up folks!

I ordered a Jin Gong M4 CQB, a couple o pistols and some kit from RSOV on the 18th of July, using TNT for 3-5 day delivery.

The order did not ship untill the 27th as a few bits had to be restocked, that was fine, that kinda stuff happens all the time.
However now all of my kit is now sitting in Charles de Gaulle airport awaiting Customs Inspection and TNT have told me now they are not sure if it is going to be shipped or destroyed as the French believe the goods may be counterfeit!?!

If you are going to order any kit from RSOV don't use TNT as there are 21 other consignments like mine, sittin on death row desperately awaiting that last minute call from the Governor!

Puding

humm i have a parcel there at the moment as well

tnt never told me about them looking to destroy the items grrrr tnt don;t like telling you the truth a swear

what i don;t get is why it went to france anyway (all my previous parcels have gone via germany? but never gone to france, ) why it ended up there and customs threating to detroy them i do not know, irony is my parcel contains items that are on sale in france anyway...

Puding

ust had another convisation with tnt pulling them up on there lack of info

apparently about 20 -25 parcels where inpounded by customs concerned that they where counterfit goods, apparently they have been in contact with the shipper (rsov) for documentation but they did not kwow if rsov had replyed yet, has anyone else been effected or contacted rsov yet?

Captain Chaos

Lately any stuff I have ordered via TNT has passed through France, where as any UPS parcels go through Germany.

This is a worrying development though, good thing is it won't matter any more in a few months.

T4RGET

bravestar wrote: »

In answer to the original question. I orderd a WE SCAR GBBR on thursday, as of today (monday) it is in my hands. So, yes, You CAN still import for yourself.

PS. The WE SCAR is the sh*t.

Bravestar good to here i got a scar oo its a tan dboys tho =D jsut wondering what kind of postage service you used?

Simeadrach wrote: »

Heads up folks!

I ordered a Jin Gong M4 CQB, a couple o pistols and some kit from RSOV on the 18th of July, using TNT for 3-5 day delivery.

The order did not ship untill the 27th as a few bits had to be restocked, that was fine, that kinda stuff happens all the time.
However now all of my kit is now sitting in Charles de Gaulle airport awaiting Customs Inspection and TNT have told me now they are not sure if it is going to be shipped or destroyed as the French believe the goods may be counterfeit!?!

If you are going to order any kit from RSOV don't use TNT as there are 21 other consignments like mine, sittin on death row desperately awaiting that last minute call from the Governor!

Simeadrach that sucks, have you ever orderd bfore and wat kind of postage did you use?? but you could still get it bak, right?

and o ye someone said that they use USP all the other times, sorry can't remember who it was. but do you think they were better?

bravestar

I bought my WE SCAR from WGC and used UPS for the shipping. They didnt have any extra SCAR mags in stock so I just got 2 M4 mags since they are the same only black.

Quality wise I have to say the WE SCAR is solid (I wouldnt be afraid to smack someone around with it ). I heard rumours about the spring breaking the butt stock so I pre-empted that and made a silicone pad so the butt stock isnt hit by the spring. It acts as a dampener and hasnt done anything to the performance.

I told WGC to print the FPS on the box, put the invoice on it and not to pack any tinfoil in it (they used bubble wrap). Customs didn't pay any heed to it. But that might be because I called in a favour

T4RGET

hhmm never heard of that WGC... new name:rolleyes:.... but why did u tell em not to put in any tinfoil???? ur lucky with the customs thing

Head_Hunter

T4RGET wrote: »

hhmm never heard of that WGC... new name:rolleyes:.... but why did u tell em not to put in any tinfoil???? ur lucky with the customs thing

I think he was talking about this company. There have been reports of ebaybanned wrapping airsoft items in tin foil, making customs VERY suspicious.

T4RGET

lol y bother puttin an aeg into tin foil but if they put the FPS on it wuldnt they get more aware and seize it?? RSOV said they wuld supply document stating it is 328 FPS but if you have letter syain it is 450 r watever it wuld make more sense to me dat they wuld take it out

bravestar

Head_Hunter wrote: »

I think he was talking about this company. There have been reports of ebaybanned wrapping airsoft items in tin foil, making customs VERY suspicious.

Yeah anything that is attempted to be concealed will be seized for further examination ( Just so ya know, the tinfoil doesnt conceal jack sh*t). I told em to put the FPS on it so that customs knew it was under and that I wasnt trying to hide anything. Honesty is the best policy

On a side note, I havent had any problems with our weather and my SCAR. It shoots like a dream. Wouldnt touch an AEG again. GBB all the way

Rew

T4RGET wrote: »

lol y bother puttin an aeg into tin foil but if they put the FPS on it wuldnt they get more aware and seize it?? RSOV said they wuld supply document stating it is 328 FPS but if you have letter syain it is 450 r watever it wuld make more sense to me dat they wuld take it out

You have a full keyboard there T4RGET use it, no text speak allowed.

Toasty113

bravestar wrote: »

Yeah anything that is attempted to be concealed will be seized for further examination ( Just so ya know, the tinfoil doesnt conceal jack sh*t). I told em to put the FPS on it so that customs knew it was under and that I wasnt trying to hide anything. Honesty is the best policy

On a side note, I havent had any problems with our weather and my SCAR. It shoots like a dream. Wouldnt touch an AEG again. GBB all the way

Damn it bravestar, stop tempting me with the gbb scar...

The tinfoil thing was limited to the army gold MEU I think because there was foil used in the actual display of the gun. I think so neway

T.C.

The tinfoil thing was limited to the army gold MEU I think because there was foil used in the actual display of the gun. I think so neway

...er, actually no. I was one of the tinfoil covered deliveries, and mine was the standard black Army MEU. Bit daft really, but I got the gun in the end....

bravestar

Toasty113 wrote: »

Damn it bravestar, stop tempting me with the gbb scar...

Go on... join the dark side... you know you want to!

Puding

This is getting better than better, parcel being held by customs in france just went to 'Shipment Disposed Of At Request Of Sender', where as when you ring tnt they quote, siezed and destroyed due to counterfitting .....fun hay :mad:

Craigsy

Puding wrote: »

This is getting better than better, parcel being held by customs in france just went to 'Shipment Disposed Of At Request Of Sender', where as when you ring tnt they quote, siezed and destroyed due to counterfitting .....fun hay :mad:

What was it? An aeg?

Puding

2 aegs parts accesorrys, nothing out of the ordinary do similar order with the shop weekly and normal do an order like this every couplel of weeks for myself, this was for myself, very strange all round

Craigsy

that just sucks

Mervenut

Puding wrote: »

This is getting better than better, parcel being held by customs in france just went to 'Shipment Disposed Of At Request Of Sender', where as when you ring tnt they quote, siezed and destroyed due to counterfitting .....fun hay :mad:

Bummer Puding, will you get your money back from RSOV? How can they say that parts are counterfiet? That's crazy!

T4RGET

bravestar wrote: »

Yeah anything that is attempted to be concealed will be seized for further examination ( Just so ya know, the tinfoil doesnt conceal jack sh*t). I told em to put the FPS on it so that customs knew it was under and that I wasnt trying to hide anything. Honesty is the best policy

On a side note, I havent had any problems with our weather and my SCAR. It shoots like a dream. Wouldnt touch an AEG again. GBB all the way

yeah RSOV told me that they would put the FPS on it as 328FPS even thought its like 350 lol i dont know if il bother taking that risk.... about the weather thing, you can submerge the scar in a bucket of water while the battery is connected and it will work when you take it back i think it is on youtube might of been the VFC version but still, i was at hrta one day and it was lashing and my scar held up fine (DBOYS)

Leftyflip

If you want, I wouldn't, I assume you gave your gun a good clean after being at HRTA too?

bluestripe93

is it still ok to get a pistol ? i was going to get a glock or something off khmountain

which is the best make
army - http://www.khmountain.com/airsoft/product_info.php?cPath=37_44&products_id=539
or
meister - http://www.khmountain.com/airsoft/product_info.php?cPath=37_44&products_id=540

T4RGET

Leftyflip wrote: »

If you want, I wouldn't, I assume you gave your gun a good clean after being at HRTA too?

yup nearly everytime i skirmish, i haven't been lately . Actually someone might be able to help me, I took apart my gun , jsut the shell so no gear box, but as i was taking it apart a half a little ring fell out, the other half my friend later found jammed in the gear box which he managed to get out, does anyone know what this might be it is a little steel ring i dont have picture but i think it came from the piston area. it is really weird, my gun works i just dont fire it for obviuos reasons:(

Simeadrach

Puding wrote: »

This is getting better than better, parcel being held by customs in france just went to 'Shipment Disposed Of At Request Of Sender', where as when you ring tnt they quote, siezed and destroyed due to counterfitting .....fun hay :mad:

Hey bro feel your pain, i just got the same message when i checked the status of my order.

Whats the story with RSOV, are they resending the stuff or are we gonna gets a refund??

I'm gonna check with RSOV myself and I'll update yez when i hear back.

Bloody French Customs!

T4RGET

ooouch dat sux man...... wel i decided that i;m not ordering pistols or aeg's just accessories.:)