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guitar pedals - must haves ?
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09-08-2009 12:25pm#1
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Of course it all depends on Artist/Style/Song. However, I have been getting a lot of use out of the Diamond J-Drive MkIII:
I also love the Empress Superdelay. Great mono delay pedal that does loads of stuff. It was pricey (think we paid $400+ for it) but it is a really great pedal.
Looking to get a nice reverb pedal for some post-rock sounds. Any suggestions? I have my eye on this fella here (Dr. Scientist Reverberator):
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Rockshamrover wrote: »What ever happened to the flanger?
They were all the rage in the 80's.
& nearly 30 years later.. Todays date is?
Just joking Mate!
Never really liked Flange to be honest.. A bit too wild @ times I found.0 -
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& nearly 30 years later.. Todays date is?
Just joking Mate!
Never really liked Flange to be honest.. A bit too wild @ times I found.
John McGeoch Siouxsie and the Banshees was a great flanger user.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeBMHnJqAvM0 -
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PaulBrewer wrote: »John McGeoch Siouxsie and the Banshees was a great flanger user.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeBMHnJqAvM
Oh, well in that case... 0 -
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Rockshamrover wrote: »Indeed.
Used to good effect in "Time after time" Cyndy Lauper.:D
It's very seldom used these days. I wonder why?
think that might be a phase shifter
I think Eddie Van Halen killed the flanger. Van Halen quickly became outdated when the 80's ended and I suppose maybe, by association, the flanger did too
A lot of people still use phase shifters though. Maybe because they're more subtle.0 -
think that might be a phase shifter
I think Eddie Van Halen killed the flanger. Van Halen quickly became outdated when the 80's ended and I suppose maybe, by association, the flanger did too
A lot of people still use phase shifters though. Maybe because they're more subtle.
I had a word with the producer just so we could be 100% sure it's not flanger and this is what he said:D
Time After Time:
started in Record Plant Studio B which had an API and an MM1200.
Westlake monitors (in fact one of the very FIRST Hidley control rooms).
the studio had been rebuilt by the staff and was a medium sized but EXTREMELY live room.
Bouncy, splashy, diffused.. sounded like an empty warehouse. But GREAT.
But uncontrollable.
People either loved or hated recording in there.
I loved it.
We started that track with a Linn drum.
to that we overdubbed Rob Hyman playing a Juno 60 (which is the main synth) using its internal stereo chorus.
and at the SAME TIME, Peter Wood, playing a Memory Moog, doubling the basic part in real time.
To get some stereo variation, when the "horns" come in on the B-Verse ("You say , go slow..."), it's another Memory Moog part but it's double tracked, one on the left and one on the right.
The bass is Rob playing on I THINK a Prophet V (rev 1) but it COULD be the Memory Moog.
We also overdubbed Anton Fig playing the cross stick and bass drum, but the Linn shaker remains.
RE20 on the bass drum under some packing blankets.
KM-84 on the snare.
IN the mix I took the shaker (I just realised we always CALLED it a shaker, but actually it's the Linn Cabasa), through an Eventide Flanger to make it dance around in stereo a bit and get it out of the dead centre, where it was too demanding.
It sounded better being a little diffused... less artificial.
We did a pass of the guitar downstairs in Studio B... but this was very near the end of the record (it was the last song to go on) and we were due to move upstairs to the Mixroom
The guitar was Eric Bazilian's Strat through Record Plant's 50 watt Marshall 2x12 JMP combo.
It's got an 87 on it, probably compressed a bit with an La2a.
the first pass didn't seem to be "it".
The vocal is a U-47 - API 525 compressor.
the Verses were SO soft that I had the pre quite cranked up to get a good, full shot at It.
Then she'd hit the chorus and BAM.. distortion.
After experimenting a BIT with multiple mics and trying to ride the pre or A/B switch pres and other wanker-y, we ended up just overdubbing the choruses separately.
it DOES still have a kind of slightly distorted quality in the chorus, but that's also just part of how she SOUNDS in that range.
If you stick your ear in front of her mouth, you hear that sound.
Rob overdubbed the harmony vocal and that was that.
Then we moved up to the Mixroom, which had a customised Trident 56 in TSM.
we set up the same amp and Eric overdubbed the final guitar playing in the control room between the two speakers with the amp in the little overdub room.
At that point Cyndi mentioned Don't Stand So Close as a way to think about the verse guitar... since that said "chorus" to me, I put the Publison DHM-89 harmoniser on it and set it for a very short delay with a bit of pitch shift on each side, one side up the other down.
and that's the guitar chorusing.
If I SAW a DHM-89 I would probably remember just how i set it, but it was a kind of chorus-y ADT sound that i had sussed on the thing already.
I'd used it on a vocal on another record.
I don't think I'd used it on a guitar though.
In the final mix, I actually bring in the scratch track from downstairs in the "solo" section as an extra guitar.
the mix was fairly straightforward. I remember I did do a different delay for the chorus than for the verses so that the chorus would open up a bit.
again with a Publison DHM-89.
the stereo mix has an Audio&Design Recording Compex (F760x-RS) on it in a kind of "parallel" compression.
The TSM had a quad pan pot and a network that summed the rear quad busses into the front for stereo.
So I put the A&D on the REAR buss inserts and then could use the front-rear pan pots to determine how much a sound goes into the compressor.
I know I, for example, didn't put any shaker into the compressor, and had the vocal about half in half out.
The only reverb is an EMT250.
it's mixed (with no automation, just edits as necessary) to 1/4 15ips 456 at 6 over 250 nW/m on at ATR 102.
That was the multi alignment as well but at 30ips.
no NR.
and it was mixed very much on the big Westlakes, and fairly LOUD.
not on bookshelves.
I was CHECKING the mixes on ROR cubes (kind of like Auratones that don't suck), and when I'd listen on the ROR's I'd throw on 20:1 heavy compression... just to get an idea of what a car radio tuned to FM was going to be like.
Just as a quick, how's the vocal? how's the snare?" kind of thing.
Mostly I MIXED on the bigs.0 -
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