Do we need a Passport?

Danno

Myself, herself and our 2 year old girl are planning to do a trip to Scotland. We want to go Belfast-Stranrar and bring the car. We are unmarried but we have our own passports. Our child is not on either of our passports. Will we have any problems? If so, what should we do?

Kind Regards
Danno.

Berty

Does your child have photographic ID?

Unlikely meaning the child cannot travel out of the country without any form of identification.

I suggest getting the child a passport.

getz

Danno wrote: »

Myself, herself and our 2 year old girl are planning to do a trip to Scotland. We want to go Belfast-Stranrar and bring the car. We are unmarried but we have our own passports. Our child is not on either of our passports. Will we have any problems? If so, what should we do?

Kind Regards
Danno.

you dont need a passport to travel by ferry between the UK and ireland ,all you need is proof that you are a citizen of those countries, i have been traveling between both ireland and the uk,by ferry for the last six years, so a times if you are stopped ,its only to check to make sure you are irish or british,as soon as they hear your accent they dont bother you again, my wife and i ,dont have any passport we just carry our driving licences just by chance,the british goverment attempt to introduce passport between both countries ,was defeated by the house of lords last month,so we dont have any passport control between our countries for our citizens,just the proof of identity.

robinph

Unless you have some other way of proving that the child is yours and is also a British or Irish citizen then your probably best off with a passport although none of you actually need a passport for that journey.

LiamMc

I'm with robinph on this.
Think of it socially. Complete the triangle, the child can prove who they are and the parents can prove biological to the child.

If there is a gap, then a letter from one/both of the birth parents is needed to show/prove that travel is allowed.
Immigration is sure everything is Okay. Because the family is passing through borders, they just want proof.

steve-o

What borders? There are no border checks between here and the north and none at the ferryport.

Shane St.

ur aswell off getting a passport

robinph

steve-o wrote: »

What borders? There are no border checks between here and the north and none at the ferryport.

There is only the concept of no border controls for British and Irish citizens. How do you plan on convincing them of British or Irish citizenship without your passport, how do you plan on proving the child citizenship and relation to you?

If you have some way of proving those things without a passport then go for it. Getting a passport is the simplest and surest method though.

You are very unlikely to get stopped and asked for anything at any point on the journey though.

Danno

Thanks for the replies lads. Sounds like there is nothing to worry about. Just didn't want to haul up to Larne only to be refused travel.

itsallaboutme!!

Hi I work at immigration at Dublin Port and suggest you take your childs birth cert with you when you travel as assuming it will have the childs place of birth and both of your own names on it that would be enough proof of the childs identity. You and your partner would not necessarily need your passports as driving licences or id cards are accepted but its just easier to have your passport.

a bientot

getz wrote: »

you dont need a passport to travel by ferry between the UK and ireland ,all you need is proof that you are a citizen of those countries, i have been traveling between both ireland and the uk,by ferry for the last six years, so a times if you are stopped ,its only to check to make sure you are irish or british,as soon as they hear your accent they dont bother you again, my wife and i ,dont have any passport we just carry our driving licences just by chance,the british goverment attempt to introduce passport between both countries ,was defeated by the house of lords last month,so we dont have any passport control between our countries for our citizens,just the proof of identity.

While agreeing that the child should have no difficulty but the birth cert would certainly be useful just in case.....and I am referring to security for all chidren...kidnapping, babynapping etc.

On the issue of the House of Lords voting against something I can tell you they will vote again and it will be YES this time.
There is no way that the U.K. will allow its e-borders to be left open to sneak in paddies or others.....eventually.
From October-November 09 API will be in operation for all arrivals in and departures from the U.K. by air even if it goes against the spirit of freedom of movement within the European Union. No U.K. or Irish person took on Spain when it forced the European Commission to introduce API for its own ends - safety and security. It will be last time that any E.U. country will pull such a stunt. But it was to reinforce /strengthen the border with the outside world NOT with fellow European Union countries. But we have a dreadful habit of always doing what we are told...... so we obey the nice airline people. Our holidays in Spain mean so much to us.....

easypr

I think if you both have your own passports and 2 year old girl has'nt then the only thing you need to do is provide your identity that you are the citizen of Ireland. Then you will be able to travel between both ireland and the uk. Make sure that you are irish or british and for this best idea can be, take your driving licence with you and show whenever its required..

munchkin_utd

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

there is NO BORDER between northern Ireland and Scotland, nor scotland/ England or England/ Wales.

ALL are integral parts of the UK

There was talk of thinking about having a consideration of controls on the crossing but the Paisley crowd went very angry very quick, and rightly so - either the North is an INTEGRAL part of the UK or not!!

So, there are no checks for any people of any nationality as this is the same as a ferry from Isle of Wight to Britain or Isle of Man to Liverpool. All internal UK domestic ferries.

as P+O state on their FAQ:
"Larne - Cairnryan & Larne - Troon routes, photographic ID is not required"
http://www.poferries.com/tourist/content/pages/template/_footer_About_FAQs_FAQ.htm

robinph

ID is not required. If they have some other reason to stop you though and you are not able to prove that you are a UK or Irish citizen then you would be charged with some kind of attempt at illegal entry.

It is only UK or Irish citizens that do not need a passport, simplest way of proving that you are a UK or Irish citizen is with a passport.

bmstuff

Woa replies...

Of course an id is required, there is no requirement to provide documentation to actually move around any Schengen state (Yeah been a while).
But try to justify this kid is your child without any ID...Good luck with that.
Your child could be taken away from you until you provide a proof of identification.

There is actually a legal requirement for your child to own his own passport if you are an Irish citizen, regardless of his/her age.
http://www.dfa.ie/home/index.aspx?id=255

This is the case in many EU states now. Your child MUST have his own ID regardless of age, some EU countries require it at a specific age.

EDIT: OOPS, HOLY THREAD RESURRECTION, sorry about that...

munchkin_utd

robinph wrote: »

ID is not required. If they have some other reason to stop you though and you are not able to prove that you are a UK or Irish citizen then you would be charged with some kind of attempt at illegal entry.

It is only UK or Irish citizens that do not need a passport, simplest way of proving that you are a UK or Irish citizen is with a passport.

wrong and wrong,

the border with the UK if driving to scotland via Larne is at Ravensdale between Newry and Dundalk. (which is the OPs question. Dublin/ Rosslare -> Wales is different)
Thats where you can be done for "entering" the UK illegally.

After that you are IN the UK and the ferry across to Scotland from Northern Ireland is an internal UK domestic connection.

bmstuff

munchkin_utd wrote: »

wrong and wrong,

the border with the UK if driving to scotland via Larne is at Ravensdale between Newry and Dundalk. (which is the OPs question. Dublin/ Rosslare -> Wales is different)
Thats where you can be done for "entering" the UK illegally.

After that you are IN the UK and the ferry across to Scotland from Northern Ireland is an internal UK domestic connection.

Regardless, anyone needs a form of ID, passport or else, an Irish citizen can be controlled in Ireland, he/she will still be required to provide an ID.
Citizenship does not matter, an ID is always a legal requirement for anyone.
Visa/Entry is another story.

robinph

munchkin_utd wrote: »

wrong and wrong,

the border with the UK if driving to scotland via Larne is at Ravensdale between Newry and Dundalk. (which is the OPs question. Dublin/ Rosslare -> Wales is different)
Thats where you can be done for "entering" the UK illegally.

After that you are IN the UK and the ferry across to Scotland from Northern Ireland is an internal UK domestic connection.

The OP's question was way back in 2009.

But anyway, what is wrong about my statement that it is only UK and Irish citizens that do not require any passports/ID on them? Not sure what the other wrong you are pointing out is?