tang soo do

ladylouise

what involved in tang soo do .is it very hard to learn.
what are the grades are they.
is tang soo do harder to do ITF tae kwon do .

does any one do tang soo do?. thinking of changing of styles

zappazappa

This from Wikipedia:
Tang Soo Do is the Korean pronunciation of the Chinese characters 唐手道. Tang Soo Do literally means "Chinese hand way". The same characters are pronounced karate-dō in Japanese. The first character, 唐, (which initially referred to China) was later changed to 空, by Funakoshi Gichin, to mean "empty" rather than "China". Outside of the far east, the term "Tang Soo Do" has primarily become synonymous with the Korean martial art promoted by Hwang Kee.
Most schools of Tang Soo Do use the transcription "Tang Soo Do". However, scientific texts apply the official transcription 'tangsudo', written as one word.

You can get more info here:

http://www.galliganstangsoodo.com/best.asp


Best of luck!

zappa

Zen65

Ladylouise, are you looking for a quicker (or easier?) way to progress than with TKD, or are you really trying to learn something different to broaden your knowledge?

If you're looking for a quicker option, I suspect you will not find it. Face up to your TKD problems and overcome them.

If you want to broaden your knowledge I suggest you choose something which is substantially different than TKD, rather then choosing such a similar art. Try BJJ or Judo?

No offense intended, this is only meant as advice (having read some of your other posts).

Keep a faith,

munster100

Tang Soo Do is a different art to TKD but to be honest if you have issues with your existing ITF Tae Kwon Do you could bring those to Tang Soo Do also. It won't be a quick solution or easier and nobody is just going to hand out easy grades but if you go with the correct approach you will learn from it.

There are good clubs in Limerick and Hospital that can be contacted via the website mentioned in another response

Best try some classes and decide what you want to do.

emu

My Master has taught Tang Soo Do for over 30 years now and it is an excellent martial art.
Where do you live - his classes are based in and around Co Sligo in Ireland

pma-ire

ladylouise wrote: »

what involved in tang soo do .is it very hard to learn.
what are the grades are they.
is tang soo do harder to do ITF tae kwon do .

does any one do tang soo do?. thinking of changing of styles

Tang Soo Do is Korean Karate, Lee Won Kuk founder of the Chung Do Kwan was the first to use the term. It is also known as Soo Bahk Do, used by Hwang Kee in more recent times in attempt to link back to an earlier form of Korean martial arts.

The Mu Duk Kwan was started by Hwang Kee and was one of many Korean Karate schools at the time. When the KTA met in 1955 to standardise Korean martial arts some also went under the banner of TaeKwon-Do. But Hwang Kee left the KTA for whatever reasons he had and so Tang Soo Do/Soo Bahk Do became a distinct Korean martial art.

While most of the Kwan's that joined the TKD band wagon were loyal to the KTA they were not overly impressed with the adminstration of it. So some of these schools joined TSD and some over time became the foundations of what was to become the World Taekwondo Federation. The rest stayed with Choi Hong Hi's International TaeKwon-Do Federation.

Sorry for the long history lesson, but this shows that TKD and TSD are quite linked. While having developed away from eachother over time.

Just a quick question to the OP, what is the reason you are looking for an easier art to perform than TKD? I can understand you feeling disheartend if you do not feel able to perform the high kick's or jumps. But this is not a reason to give up on the art, just an excuse to practice those aspects more and find a way for you to do them to the best of your ability.

ladylouise

pma-ire wrote: »

Tang Soo Do is Korean Karate. It is also know as Soo Bahk Do in more recent times in attempt to link back to an earlier form of Korean martial arts.

The Mu Duk Kwan was started by Hwang Kee and was one of many Korean Karate schools at the time. When the KTA met in 1955 to standardise Korean martial arts some also went under the banner of TaeKwon-Do. But Hwang Kee left the KTA for whatever reasons he had and so Tang Soo Do became a distinct Korean martial art.

While most of the Kwan's that joined the TKD band wagon were loyal to the KTA they were not overly impressed with the adminstration of it. So some of these schools joined TSD and some over time became the foundations of what was to become the World Taekwondo Federation. The rest stayed with Choi Hong Hi's International TaeKwon-Do Federation.

Sorry for the long history lesson, but this shows that TKD and TSD are quite linked. While having developed away from eachother over time.

Just a quick question to the OP, what is the reason you are looking for an easier art to perform than TKD? I can understand you feeling disheartend if you do not feel able to perform the high kick's or jumps. But this is not a reason to give up on the art, just an excuse to practice those aspects more and find a way for you to do them to the best of your ability.

i find tkd hard.no matter what i do during exams i can,t impress examier i keep getting for extremely small thing.like wrong direction.or foot put in the wrong place stupid things like that

pma-ire

ladylouise wrote: »

i find tkd hard.no matter what i do during exams i can,t impress examier i keep getting for extremely small thing.like wrong direction.or foot put in the wrong place stupid things like that

many people have problems with learning ordered forms. one of the guys that trains with me has the very same problem and i have met many people with the same issue over the years.

the best thing you can do is to keep going over and over those small things with the help of your instructor, more senior students or fellow students.

joining TSD will not be easier for you as the forms in TSD are just as complicated as the ITF TKD ones.

munster100

true Tang Soo Do forms are just as complicated as ITF Tae Kwon Do, I'm doing martial arts for a long time I've done Tae Kwon Do in the past and am doing Tang Soo Do for over 20 years. If you are having minor problems with forms then you can try getting more practice at your basics but at the end of the day no matter what you are doing you can only do your best. Somethings don't click for some people for a long time and as long as you are trying hard you shouldn't feel bad about it.

Emu who is your Tang Soo Do Master?

Gorman

ladylouise wrote: »

i find tkd hard.no matter what i do during exams i can,t impress examier i keep getting for extremely small thing.like wrong direction.or foot put in the wrong place stupid things like that

ladylousise

you're not the first to feel frustrated by nit picking instructors when doing kata/forms

Do you like doing the forms? Are they your least favorite part of TKD?
If you dislike the forms and can't see their point, switch to something like kickboxing.

From my experience, instructors who nit-pick, "your foot should be 2inches to the left" etc, don't have any answers when you ask them the reason why. You might get an answer like "Master Steve thought it like that, and he's a 7th degree black belt master".

If you've being do this a while and keep expecting to eventually see the point to forms, chances are you won't.
People who tell you that forms are essential, are the people who've been doing then for years and probably feel the need to rationalise all the time they've put in to them.

Question these examiners and masters and see if you're honestly satisfied with the answers they give.

pma-ire

Gorman wrote: »

ladylousise

you're not the first to feel frustrated by nit picking instructors when doing kata/forms

Do you like doing the forms? Are they your least favorite part of TKD?
If you dislike the forms and can't see their point, switch to something like kickboxing.

From my experience, instructors who nit-pick, "your foot should be 2inches to the left" etc, don't have any answers when you ask them the reason why. You might get an answer like "Master Steve thought it like that, and he's a 7th degree black belt master".

If you've being do this a while and keep expecting to eventually see the point to forms, chances are you won't.
People who tell you that forms are essential, are the people who've been doing then for years and probably feel the need to rationalise all the time they've put in to them.

Question these examiners and masters and see if you're honestly satisfied with the answers they give.

this is a very true statement!

what rational people accept as being an explaination for a movement in a pattern goes out the window when someone with loads of bars on their belt tells them what it is

i got into an heated disscusion with a 6 dan when i was a 1st dan about movements in patterns. he was almost bursting at the ears cause i would not accept his explaination

ladylouise

pma-ire wrote: »

this is a very true statement!

what rational people accept as being an explaination for a movement in a pattern goes out the window when someone with loads of bars on their belt tells them what it is

i got into an heated disscusion with a 6 dan when i was a 1st dan about movements in patterns. he was almost bursting at the ears cause i would not accept his explaination

i also think i am too old to keep doing martial art 30 years old.people may age who have started the time as me are 3rd and 4th dans. because i was failed 2 black belt exams=2 years and red belt/black tag exam and kept back.failed over very small things i should never have filed for like no power.i got failed over having not enough power in a pattern i did every thing right .they always put me against guys or very powerful girls in sparring

pma-ire

ladylouise wrote: »

i also think i am too old to keep doing martial art 30 years old.people may age who have started the time as me are 3rd and 4th dans. because i was failed 2 black belt exams=2 years and red belt/black tag exam and kept back.failed over very small things i should never have filed for like no power.i got failed over having not enough power in a pattern i did every thing right .they always put me against guys or very powerful girls in sparring

as i said louise, your instructor is the best person to get you through this problem!

i don't believe that anyone should be asked to go for a grading that they are not ready for. at the end of the day it is your instructors job to get you ready, if you are not ready then you are only making up the numbers at a grading and giving over money for no good reason.

ladylouise

pma-ire wrote: »

as i said louise, your instructor is the best person to get you through this problem!

i don't believe that anyone should be asked to go for a grading that they are not ready for. at the end of the day it is your instructors job to get you ready, if you are not ready then you are only making up the numbers at a grading and giving over money for no good reason.

my instructor is my examiner.

Gorman

ladylouise wrote: »

my instructor is my examiner.

ladylouise, there is only one alternative left, the time has come to kill your master.......


Seriously, why are you doing this if your not having fun anymore? What are your goals, a black belt? getting better at forms? getting better at sparing? keeping fit?

munster100

you are not too old at 30, i have students who started in their late 30's and early 40's with their kids and they do fine.

there are a lot of instructors who nit pick with forms because that is all they know how to do, everybody's body dynamics are different and while say for example a back stance is clearly defined instructors should not be knocking people for slight variances.

i don't think its right to knock doing forms because if thought right & explained correctly it is a very rewarding aspect of learning a martial art. problem is that some instructors can't explain or apply them correctly and then fall back on just telling people they are technically doing something wrong because that is how they were thought but can't explain why the technique should be done in such a way.
for me martial arts isn't about comparing yourselves to others its about doing the best you can and trying to improve yourself, then you will achieve results.

like pma said its your instructors job to get you ready to grade, if you are not ready then its their job to tell you and then help you get ready. if you are making serious errors then they should be able to see that well before you grade and advise you.

i run 3 grading a year in my club but that doesn't mean that every student grades 3 times a year.

Unpossible

Can you be graded under another instructor louise? Or at least go to another ITF school and ask their instructor for advice on your kata?

pma-ire

in most TKD groups the instructor does not grade his own students.

it is very strange that your in an ITF club and your instructor is doing this?

ladylouise

pma-ire wrote: »

in most TKD groups the instructor does not grade his own students.

it is very strange that your in an ITF club and your instructor is doing this?

well that what happen for me.the my instructor grades for the grading exams