PSO-1 Russian Scope

CapedCrusader

Hi Folks,

I'm considering getting an RPK. I was going to get an L36 but I think this may be too heavy and there seem to be problems with the version that's in my price range.

Anyway - does anyone know if there are replica PSO-1 scopes available?

Genghiz Cohen

May I ask why you want a telescopic sight on a support gun?

Also Wiki lists similar sights:

Romania - LPS 4x6° TIP2 telescopic sight made by I.O.R.
China - Type JJJ telescopic sight
Belarus - PSOP telescopic sight
Serbia - ZRAK M-76 4x 5°10’ / ZRAK ON-M76 telescopic sight
East Germany - PSO telescopic sight
North Korea - Type 78 telescopic sight

horgan_p

CapedCrusader wrote: »

Hi Folks,

I'm considering getting an RPK. I was going to get an L36 but I think this may be too heavy and there seem to be problems with the version that's in my price range.

Anyway - does anyone know if there are replica PSO-1 scopes available?

Just get the real steel ones , almost the same price if you shop around. give puding a while and he'll give you like 40,000 links to places you can get them

CapedCrusader

Genghiz Cohen wrote: »

May I ask why you want a telescopic sight on a support gun?

Also Wiki lists similar sights:

So I can see sh1t that's far away :-)

Besides that, three reasons:

1. To aid in target acquisition
2. To see where my bbs are going
3. 'Cause it looks cool :-)

CapedCrusader

horgan_p wrote: »

Just get the real steel ones , almost the same price if you shop around. give puding a while and he'll give you like 40,000 links to places you can get them

It's annoying, I'm in work and the internet filter is blocking most sites that have anything to do with airsoft because it thinks they're "weapons" related.

Not helping my search!

Firekitten

two Points I've absorbed from dating Lemming...


Firstly, The point of a support weapon is an area supression tool...

You are not MEANT to hit anyone... so pinpoint accuracy and fire at range is not your job or the weapon's job. You are there to supress the enemy, while the light mobile rifles move in flank, to attack the enemy position and win the firefight. The point of the large scope for the rpk is a night sight... ie, so the gunner can atleast see the general area... Scopes on support weapons are a yankie spec ial forces fettish airsofters seem to love. Save yourself some back ache and do it right, and the russian way

Lemming

Here's a case in point to add to that;

During WW2, the original Bren design was considered "too accurate", and hence gunners used to prize worn barrels since they were less accurate and would spread the rounds over a larger target area.

If you as a support gunner hit something, or have multiple targets in the open, all fine and well. Anything you don't hit is very much encouraged to keep its head down; as FireKitten has already mentioned.

CapedCrusader

Thanks guys,

I certainly agree on the role of the support gunner and that this doesn't require a sight... however, it would be nice to have options regarding role and style of play.

As has been mentioned before in relation to sniper rifles... because of the 1J limit and other factors, the actual performance of different weapons does not vary all that much... in terms of rate of fire and accuracy.

The role a person plays is less to do with the weapon and more to do with play style. A guy with an MP5 and a high-cap mag can play support and a guy with an RPK and a scope can be a sniper.

Firekitten

Actually... I beg to differ... quite heavily....

There is massive variance, even at 328; barrel, air seals, hop, barrel type, lubricant, etc all play a huge role in accuracy and range. FPS is only how fast it gets there hon.

CapedCrusader

Firekitten wrote: »

Actually... I beg to differ... quite heavily....

There is massive variance, even at 328; barrel, air seals, hop, barrel type, lubricant, etc all play a huge role in accuracy and range....

OK, but my point is that a support gun doesn't need, necessarily to be big and heavy... to be a support gun. A real support weapon has to be big and heavy so that it can better withstand sustained fire and has greater effective range. In airsoft, there is less coupling between the style and design of the gun and the role it plays.

The factors you mention: barrel, air seals, hop, barrel type, lubricant... are all independent of whether it's a support gun replica or not. You could have a G36C with a drum mag that has barrel good air seals, hop, barrel type, lubricant and this will be more of a support weapon than an RPK with a crappy barrel etc.

My point is, the gun and the role are less coupled in airsoft than in real combat.

Firekitten

Ok, actually, an airsoft gun thats a designed support weapon needs to be specially DESIGNED or built to sustain fire... special motor, special gears, all fairly good stuff to wistand long bursts....

As for your view... Sure, one can use an mp5k with a drum mag, and technically, it can hold lots of bbs, and shoot them all. But is that a support gun? NO its not. its a smg with a box, or the g36c example, its a drum on an AR... NOT a support gun.

You dress up as a soldier and go and play war, If you want to be a support gunner, Do it right? Yes its heavy, and yes they have a way of being used, a role, and a certain design. Its all for good reason, and using them realisticy, can be doubly satisfying... Sure, in the game, it doesnt matter a jot. But this is the same as putting a sniper scope on an m60 and calling it a sniper rifle, because its got a scope. Stupid, no?

Just play the game why not? You have an rpk, sure, scope it if you want, but as a few of us have said, those scopes were not used on them, and it will only add weight, and make you use the rifle differently, and less effectively.

CapedCrusader

Well none of that matters anyway because my RPK is out of stock...

Boo hoo...

Dread-Lock

Firekitten wrote: »

As for your view... Sure, one can use an mp5k with a drum mag, and technically, it can hold lots of bbs, and shoot them all. But is that a support gun? NO its not. its a smg with a box, or the g36c example, its a drum on an AR... NOT a support gun.

I don't think he said it was a support gun, he said in airsoft if someone wanted to, an MP5/whatever could be used as a support gun.

Of course I agree with you in saying if you want to be a support gunner buy a fcuking support gun. But its airsoft, its a game, if someone wants to slap a scope on something even just for looks (even if they're the only person who thinks it looks good) let them. Why bother making such a big deal over it? Not everyone plays milsim.

Firekitten

If they are allowed to use an mp5 with a drum mag and scope, can i please look scornfully upon them? its only fair...:rolleyes:

NakedDex

Can I shoot them instead of look scornfully upon them? Even if they're on my team? It's only fair.

Toasty113

Dread-Lock wrote: »

Of course I agree with you in saying if you want to be a support gunner buy a fcuking support gun.quote]

Yea but you have to remember not everyone is goin to go out and spend 300+ just for a specific support weapon.

Can I shoot them instead of look scornfully upon them? Even if they're on my team? It's only fair.

Agreed:)

NakedDex

They won't go out and spend €300 on a support gun, but they will spend €150-200 on a carbine or smg and stick an €80 drum mag on it with a €60 sight/scope?
Now I'm not the worlds greatest mathematician, but somewhere around there those figures don't add up sensibly to back up that statement.

I've seen these people. Hell, I've served these people and actually sold them this stuff. M14's with auto-winding box mags and an ACOG because the user wanted a "special sniper-support rifle" so he can "snipe on full auto and still go through rooms".

These people are out there, ladies and germs, and they're not going away.

Toasty113

If someone already has a carbine, then it does make sense. Its better cheaper than going out than buying a whole new gun

NakedDex

Except that a stock battery is generally only good for half the capacity of the €80 box mag, so you need another battery pack, preferably a very high capacity one. In which case you're looking at getting something like a 2Ah-4Ah pack, which means you'll probably need a PEQ to house it (unless you've got a full stock).
Either way, from the get-go, you're paying €80 plus the accessories for something that's going to get you talked about rather negatively in the safe zone (it happens, noone say otherwise, we all know it does), is going to attract rounds to you like flies to **** (baby rattle effect x10^6 plus an extra motor noise) and spending that much money on something you could pick up two boxes of midcaps (which are far more usable considering the increase in milsim and restricted ammo/midcap only games and days) or the bones of six, equally more practical high caps.

Unless you're willing to deal with the bulk, weight and general pitfalls of having a support gun, reaping the benefits of having one should be off limits. Morally speaking.
Practically speaking, I couldn't give a toss. You're disadvantaging yourself in the long run. Full auto makes people complacent. Full auto with a gallon of ammo makes people downright silly. Add the noise and the "I'm Arnie" attitude and you've got a winner for the bullet magnet award.
I've never seen someone with a 249, 60, RPK or any "proper" support gun charge single handedly in the open. Why? Because they're the ones in light cover, keeping your head below the parapet while their teammates charge safely through open ground toward your suppressed ass.

Toasty113

Yes Dex I know all that already, since I'm pretty sure I've had this argument with you before, and I skirmished with a box mag for a grand total of fifteen minutes (and then got bored and switched back). But most people wont know whether they want to be support when they start, so they'll but their plain old rifle, then if they want to try support they'll get themselves a box mag since it'll be cheaper at the time. Then one day they might decide to get the full support gun experience and get a proper one. I think that would be better than buying a support gun from the word go then hating it and being stuck with it or having to sell it and get a regular rifle.

At least with the first way you know your money wasnt wasted since you had a choice for either role from the start rather than being stuck with the role

NakedDex

I get where you're coming from, but box-magging an smg isn't a support gunner experience. If it was, you could get away with calling a couple of single-wind high caps taped together the same thing.

What would be nice, and would fill your idea (and I honestly appreciate exactly where you're coming from) is if a couple of the sites had a support gun or two for rental alongside their regular selection of assault rifles and smg's.


The support gunner experience comes from the gun itself, not the capacity of the mag.

Toasty113

Yea I've yet to go to a site that had a good selection of rentals, always something that annoyed me since my guns persist on breaking and rental is then pretty much ruled out as an option while I'm waiting to fix my gun.

One thing I will say though is that my view really only applies to people that are new, undecided on their role or dont have the money. If someone doesnt fall into that category and uses a box mag on a rifle/smg constantly for a very long time, then I would be inclined to think they're taking the p*ss

NakedDex

I reckon a couple of sniper rifles and a couple of support guns at each venue for rental would make for a lot of people changing their mind about becoming a sniper or a support gunner.
Even one of each, made available, would save a lot of people a lot of wasted time and money where the wannabe sniper might be happy enough with a long barrelled AEG, like an M14 or G3, or where the wannabe gunner would be happier with a rifle with a high ROF set up and a couple of high caps.

CapedCrusader

LOL... this thread is funny...

It's gone from me saying that the role you play in airsoft is less tightly linked to your gun to "who's this guy running around with an MP5, scope and high-cap playing a support gunner, I'm gonna shoot him"

:-)

NakedDex

That's because the role you play generally is tightly linked to the gun you're using.

CapedCrusader

NakedDex wrote: »

That's because the role you play generally is tightly linked to the gun you're using.

Perhaps, but less tightly linked, which was my point.

FunkBlaster87

So can anyone recommend a website to order a rs pso scope for cheap?

Puding

East Wave Optics

kalinkaoptics

there are two types of mount you have the svd and the ak just make shore you get the right one

FunkBlaster87

Cheers puding. Will kalinka mark the products as airsoft or will I have to run the customs gauntlet? Also do you have any idea of what shipping is like.
Thanks

Puding

real scopes are not restricted items be it real steel or airsoft, i've never had a problem with customs myself