BA, BAI?

cunnins4

I was gonna put this in TCD and if a mod feels it's more appropriate over there, please move it.

I know there's a few grads from TCD on here with BA, BAI. My question is, do you put down the BA on your CV? It's undenominated right? So we can't put down "BA in Mathematics"? Also, if you do put it down, do you list that it's an ordinary degree? or do you put down "BA, BAI in Civil, Structural....or whatever"

Also, I had an interview a few months ago and the interviewer didn't know what BAI stood for. Now, I reckon he was being a cock and playing dumb to see if I could explain it to him, but it raised the question for me-do most Engineering employers (UK & Ireland) know that Trinity issue a BAI? Could we just put down B.Eng for the sake of simplicity?

I'm hearing nothing back from job applications, so I'm trying to make my CV look better.

Thanks in advance

Turbulent Bill

cunnins4 wrote: »

I was gonna put this in TCD and if a mod feels it's more appropriate over there, please move it.

I know there's a few grads from TCD on here with BA, BAI. My question is, do you put down the BA on your CV? It's undenominated right? So we can't put down "BA in Mathematics"? Also, if you do put it down, do you list that it's an ordinary degree? or do you put down "BA, BAI in Civil, Structural....or whatever"

Also, I had an interview a few months ago and the interviewer didn't know what BAI stood for. Now, I reckon he was being a cock and playing dumb to see if I could explain it to him, but it raised the question for me-do most Engineering employers (UK & Ireland) know that Trinity issue a BAI? Could we just put down B.Eng for the sake of simplicity?

I'm hearing nothing back from job applications, so I'm trying to make my CV look better.

Thanks in advance

I think I put down "BA, BAI in Mechanical and Manufacturing Engineering" in my CV, but TBH I've no idea how it should be done properly. Claiming an ordinary BA in Maths (even if it's technically correct, which I doubt) as a separate qualification feels a bit cheeky - it's probably just an anachronism at this stage.

BAI is the Latin abbreviation for Bachelor of Arts in Engineering (I think). Any company I've ever worked or applied for knew exactly what it meant.

If you do find out exactly what should be used, please let us know!

I put down 'BA, BAI in Civil, Structural...' on mine. If you're applying in Ireland everywhere will know what you mean. UK I'm not too sure about. Personally if I saw 'B.Eng from Trinity' I'd be very suspicious since it'd sound like the person didn't even know what they had! The BA is undenominated alright, there's no mention of mathematics on the degree.

And besides, you get two degrees, it's not like it's lying. If asked what BAI stands for I'd then say it's latin for Bachelor of Arts in Engineering.

Prenderb

Baccalaureat in Arte Ingeneria - effectively a B.Eng but in latin as someone else said.

Use BA, BAI (Hons, if you got one) where appropriate, I've never had a problem with it to be honest. They don't separate AFAIK, it's BA, BAI or nothing. There's no BA and BAI, if you know what I mean!

Obviously, if applying for jobs quote which stream you were in the same way you would if you studied Engineering anywhere else.

cunnins4

Cool, thanks for the feedback! BA,BAI it is!

lg123

i seen this on a colleagues company cv before and didnt know what it meant, i thought she had an arts degree and her msc was how she got into engineering. i would be leaning towards putting BEng down, maybe in brackets or something.

lg123

lg123 wrote: »

i seen this on a colleagues company cv before and didnt know what it meant, i thought she had an arts degree and her msc was how she got into engineering. i would be leaning towards putting BEng down, maybe in brackets or something.

I really wouldn't put down BEng if you didn't have one, it wouldn't be getting n interview off to a good start if you put a BEng from Trinity in my opinion (as I said, it'd sound as if the applicant didn't even know their qualification). I'd just put down BA, BAI (Hons.) in Civil, Structural & Environmental Engineering.

godtabh

I've never seen any one put down B.A, B.A.I (Hons)

I've seen quite a few where I work. Internal CVs only though.

Robbie12

So where getting an arts degree in engineering that seems worse than a science degree in engineering like BSc(Eng)...and i didnt no we got an ordinary degree in maths aswell they dont tell you on the course info!

Prenderb

Robbie12 wrote: »

So where getting an arts degree in engineering that seems worse than a science degree in engineering like BSc(Eng)...and i didnt no we got an ordinary degree in maths aswell they dont tell you on the course info!

There is no ordinary degree in maths included in TCD's engineering course - that's an "urban legend."

The BA is a degree in "general learning," for want of a better phrase.

I think people make too much of the whole thing, to be honest. It's just a degree in engineering, and Trinity happen to award a BA, BAI for it. Yes, you get 2 diplomae in your commencements ceremony, but I don't see them as separate.

keanooo

Prenderb wrote: »

There is no ordinary degree in maths included in TCD's engineering course - that's an "urban legend."

There actually is.

The rumour that there isn't is an "urban legend" around UCD.

mathew

keanooo wrote: »

There actually is.

The rumour that there isn't is an "urban legend" around UCD.

There is no degree in maths included with the Engineering degree.

Anyone who graduates from Engineering is awarded a BAI for their field of engineering and an undenominated BA. This is because of a rule that Bachelors of Engineering, Dental Science or Medicine must be Bachelors in arts of the university. According to the rules, you cannot be conferred with a BAI if you do not first have a BA. If you go to a comencements you will notice that the BA is conferred before the BAI.

After 3 years, you are entiltled to leave the college and get just the BA. It is still undenominated if you do this. Its here in part 1 of the college calendar here in part 1 of the college calendar.

"2. Candidates for the bachelor’s degree in engineering, dental science, or medicine must be bachelors in arts of the University. Special requirements for the B.A. degree are laid down for such students.
Candidates for the B.A.I. degree, who are eligible for the B.A. degree, have the B.A. degree conferred at the same Commencements. Students of dental science or medicine may have the B.A. degree conferred at the Autumn Commencements following the satisfactory completion of their third year, or at the Commencements at which their professional degree is conferred, but subject always to the proviso that the B.A. degree may be conferred only on candidates who have spent at least three years in the University, except by special permission of the University Council on the recommendation of the appropriate executive committee."

Turbulent Bill

mathew's explanation ties in with what I was told by the Proctor's Office in TCD (after my post above). In my case I had a PhD to add too, so apparently "Ph.D., B.A.I., (DUBL)" is how it's supposed to be presented. It makes sense that the BA bit would be dropped if it's a prerequisite for a BAI.

TBH it's a nonsense; I've friends with BAIs, BEngs, BScs etc. and there's very little between what we actually learned (not a lot ).