Crusty old Dean!

thebossanova

Just got my letter from the accommodation office regarding my account with them for the year just finished. The Junior Dean took 100euro out of my deposit! Reckon it was for not attending the fire safety lecture at the start of the year, but surely she should take into account the fact that there were zero fires in my apartment this year! Should I bother checking this out or take it on the chin?

El Siglo

thebossanova wrote: »

Just got my letter from the accommodation office regarding my account with them for the year just finished. The Junior Dean took 100euro out of my deposit! Reckon it was for not attending the fire safety lecture at the start of the year, but surely she should take into account the fact that there were zero fires in my apartment this year! Should I bother checking this out or take it on the chin?

Check it out if you want. It is a good bit of a deduction for not attending a fire safety lecture, but then again it could have been worse. In case you're wondering that is my family home.

ApeXaviour

You're well notified that non attendance results in the fine. And you had a few chances to go. They won't refund it. It's not folly either, I've known of people who died in fires in student housing. Be grateful they're a bit anal about it here.

Unregistered.

ApeXaviour wrote: »

You're well notified that non attendance results in the fine. And you had a few chances to go. They won't refund it. It's not folly either, I've known of people who died in fires in student housing. Be grateful they're a bit anal about it here.

Too right, if you were told you'd be fined for not attending and you didn't attend - uhhhhhhhhhhh :pac:

goingnowhere

Its very clearly stated you must attend the fire safety lecture.

There have been several fires within or close to residences in recent years, kitchen in Trinity Halls went up in smoke not so long ago.

€100 is the automatic fine for non attendance, there where 4 separate opportunities to attend. If you are intelligent enough to get the points to get into TCD the logic of attend meeting or lose €100 should be very clear

The Walsho

I just came in to show my appreciation for the thread title.

thebossanova

It's cool, I'll take it on the chin. Fire safety is not something I will take lightly in the future!

Still think 100euro is harsh though. I would be interested to know what my 100euro is being used for. Doubtful it's going towards fire education or some similar cause. Probably get the deans a nice box of cigars or something!:p

Cantab.

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goingnowhere

Money goes to the student hardship fund.

godtabh

thebossanova wrote: »

Still think 100euro is harsh though

especially since you had no opportunity not to waste it

Boston

goingnowhere wrote: »

Money goes to the student hardship fund.

If this is true then fair play. If 100 euros means so little to you that you can't be arsed dragging yourself to a talk designed to save your life and others, then by all means it should go to someone who values it more.

Cantab.

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ZWEI_VIER_ZWEI

You know I disagree a lot with the prevalent sentiment here.
I say you should try and get that €100 back, if you smashed a window, wrecked the cupboards, or something like that, then you deserve to have your deposit taken away, but not attending a lecture did not cost the college a single penny. And I'd be surprised if there was anything in that lecture that was not common sense anyway.

If it was me, I'd fight it tooth and nail.

Boston

ZWEI_VIER_ZWEI wrote: »

You know I disagree a lot with the prevalent sentiment here.
I say you should try and get that €100 back, if you smashed a window, wrecked the cupboards, or something like that, then you deserve to have your deposit taken away, but not attending a lecture did not cost the college a single penny. And I'd be surprised if there was anything in that lecture that was not common sense anyway.

If it was me, I'd fight it tooth and nail.

If it's anything like the fire training lecture I've had from trinity, then theres a fair bit that isn't common sense, such as how to properly use an extinguisher and what ones are best for what fires.

Additionally, part of being an adult is standing by the agreements you make. You can say it's a ridiculous stipulation, un-fair, whatever, but no one is forced to live on campus. Your attitude reminds me of this

StinkyMunkey

ZWEI_VIER_ZWEI wrote: »

You know I disagree a lot with the prevalent sentiment here.
I say you should try and get that €100 back, if you smashed a window, wrecked the cupboards, or something like that, then you deserve to have your deposit taken away, but not attending a lecture did not cost the college a single penny. And I'd be surprised if there was anything in that lecture that was not common sense anyway.

If it was me, I'd fight it tooth and nail.

Correct, it didnt cost the college a single penny by you not going to a waste of time lecture. It also wouldnt cost the college a penny to bury your charred corpse either, hat exspense would go to your family. Im sure someone like yourself would know exactly what to do when a fire breaks out, but some of us lesser mortals might go and panic. Ill be sure to tell the next persons family/friends who die in a fire, that they lacked total common sense by dying....!

ZWEI_VIER_ZWEI

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

Correct, it didnt cost the college a single penny by you not going to a waste of time lecture. It also wouldnt cost the college a penny to bury your charred corpse either, hat exspense would go to your family. Im sure someone like yourself would know exactly what to do when a fire breaks out, but some of us lesser mortals might go and panic. Ill be sure to tell the next persons family/friends who die in a fire, that they lacked total common sense by dying....!

Yes, very clever.

But seriously, if I rent an apartment pretty much anywhere else, I am not expected to attend any fire safety lectures, I find measures like this indicative of the progressive creep I have noticed of nannying and the absolving of personal responsibility to the point where a college student nowadays seems to be treated on a similar level to what a secondary student might have expected 30 years ago.

The fact that lectures exist I do not have a problem with, no doubt they're useful and informative, and the fact that everyone starts in Halls at the same time makes this especially convenient. But where the line ought to be drawn is making attendance compulsory, as if one is punished for already being responsible and knowledgeable about fire safety issues, or has the initiative to go look up these things on their own without having to suffer a lecture in the company of some airhead bimbos who will no doubt waste everyone's time with some vapid line of questioning.

Really is it so radical in the 21st century to actually treat people like adults? It reminds me of all those compulsory lectures in first year, or even worse, those pathetic courses where you actually get coursework marks for attendance.

Crash

I'd lay a bet part of this is under health and safety laws for college accommodation, not just pushed by TCD itself.

Boston

1) You're not talking about renting to exclusively adults. Allot of students in student accommodation will be teenagers. Now maybe mature and responsible enough to look out for yourself but others aren't.

2) The accommodation in trinity is often very different to what you'd find in other apartment blocks, things such as communal kitchens/ common areas mean that if you through your own retardation set a fire it more likely to effect others then would normally be the case.

3) Theres a couple fires in students residents every month during term time, Most of these are minor in no small part as a results of nearly everyone attending these lectures.