Assault in the ring

dlofnep

Did anybody see this documentary? It's based on the Luis Resto/Billy Collins fight. Really powerful stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZNk77X_Wxw

tbaymusicman

Aww man that looks class has anyone got a link to the actual show??

dlofnep

I have it downloaded at home. Don't think it's up anywhere, other than torrents. If I find a videolink, I'll post it. It's a really moving documentary.

dlofnep

Scratch that.

Uncle dlofnep delivers!

Full video: http://www.megavideo.com/?v=P0EXESLG

WIZE

Its a good flick

ODD-JOB

Hi DL of NEP ,.....
I was watchin it on sportin's channel the other night and fell asleep half way through.

I am tryin to download this , but Im lost .
I click the link and i see the "player" screen , which wants me to download some gamer harbour toolbar , with popups ?

How do i actually download/watch the film ?

SORRY ...... and thanks for the link DLOFNEP

dlofnep

It shouldn't ask you to download anything on megavideo. There should be just a red play button, when you click it, it will popup an advertisement. Just go back to the first window and the play button should be green - click it and it will play it.

cowzerp

Sad but very interesting..

after 72 mins it stops you viewing for an hour unless you pay, any way around that?

itouchmyself

cowzerp wrote: »

Sad but very interesting..

after 72 mins it stops you viewing for an hour unless you pay, any way around that?

I clicked on it and it just ran straight threw didnt stop go out off it and click on it again n skip till were you were I suppose.

cowzerp

itouchmyself wrote: »

I clicked on it and it just ran straight threw didnt stop go out off it and click on it again n skip till were you were I suppose.

i had to wait, finished it anyway, very sad and shows how crazy and corrupt boxing can be, sheds new light on the margarito incident too when you think about it..bannings need to be dished out here

walshb

I'm half way thru this sh1t. It is the biggest pile of crap I have ever
seen. What I mean is, that it's so fake and staged and choreographed on the Resto and Lewis side. Neither of those two low lifes could give a toss
about this. It's simply a few quid for both. And Lewis with his BA Baracus
gold and those shades, hiding his eyes when he speaks.

It stinks of fakeness and lacks sincerity and genuineness

BTW, when I pause it, I then cannot resume it and have to
gp back to the ****1ng start again. Anyone have this problem?

dlofnep

Nope, that only happens when you go over your alotted time amount on mega video. I think they give you 70 minutes.

amacachi

Anyone wanting to not wait just turn your modem off and on and then open the video in a different browser and it shouldn't recognise you.

-osborne-

i use this firefox add-on called illimitux it removes the block

T-K-O

Resto must be a pretty damn good actor - he looks a broken man to me.

walshb

Maybe he is indeed a broken man; but that doesn't mean that he's one bit
serious or regretful. The guy knowingly put on gloves that were tampered
with and hammered away at another human being almost k i l l i n g the man.

Jeez, even the own guys 'children' couldn't stand him.

The whole piece was just so fake, the maker was fake, Panama a fake and Resto a fake. It was just so poorly put together and reeked of a set up.

Resto and Lewis were paid for this too. It was simply an all around
money making exercise that told me nothing new, nor healed any
scars

What baffled me most was how at the end, Resto and the maker are trying to make out that we the audience are FINALLY getting the truth about what happened, the truth that is, being told by a low life called Resto.

I know what happened, as does the Collins' family and any other half brained person. Resto knew, knows and always did, as does and did, Panama.

Now, we are meant to believe that Resto is finally clearing things up with this lame admission:rolleyes:

T-K-O

Resto admitted to the crime, if you do not see the value in that you are completely missing the point. Resto is hardly a model citizen but from that doc he's not half as bad as Lewis.

Get of your high horse, told you nothing knew nor heal any scars :rolleyes: You knew nothing about this case, only what you read in the papers.

The Collins family had an idea what happened now they know for a fact. Ask any victim of a serious crime and they will all tell you the same story. They all seek closure, they all seek answers.

Is Collins Snr jumping around the house with joy, No. But I'm sure the guy sleeps that little bit easier at night knowing his sons attacker has acknowlodge and admitted to the crime.

walshb

Admitted the crime that he'd been lying about for 26 bloody years.
And, now you are ready to believe every word out of his mouth?

You know, the definition of Gullible is in the dictionary and I'm
betting that beside it, is your mug!. My next post, I will
post what a person who knew the story thought of it all.
The post this person wrote is spot on for US knowledgeable
boxing fans.

Also, where did I say that Resto was as bad or NOT as bad as Lewis?
But here is one for you. Lewis is bad for doin' what he did, but it
was RESTO who knowingly used the gloves to inflict serious
injury. Lewis didn't force him to, nor did Lewis inflict
the damage directly. I say that Resto is pure evil to do what he did.
And worse than Lewis. Resto carried out the assault for 30 minutes,
and he wasn't some immature scared kid, he was a 28 year old grown
man, who should of damn well known better. Lowlife.

Someone gives you a loaded gun and tells you to shoot someone dead
and you do. Who is the real real baddie? Resto pulled the trigger here, and Resto
alone!

btw, I knew a damn sight more than what you knew
about this case. And I sure as hell am not as
gullible and easily influenced by the Resto's and Drath's (film maker)
and Panam Lewis' of this world

walshb

Now, below is what I call sense


Back to Resto. I think a lot of guys on this board cut Drath slack because they KNOW boxing and can read between the lines. Trust me when I tell you that the average viewer is not that smart. He does not understand the game and, often as not, he will walk away from this film thinking that this poor man-child was used and swept up in circumstances beyond his control, an impression that Drath was quite content to leave.

My point is that Drath owes his duty, not to a story line cleared with HBO producers who need to fill a 90-minute slot, but to truth. The average viewer doesn't know what it feels like to punch with gloves and without. He needs to be told! The average viewer doesn't know what NYSAC supervisors should be doing before a fight. He needs to be told! The average viewer does not know what sort of damage a punch from a regulation glove does. He needs to be told! Nor does he know how easily an experienced corner man could detect a doctored glove. Drath was required to lay this out clearly, in the interest of truth, but he didn't. He let his characters hide behind their excuses.

Sending someone to prison for sleazy corner work is almost unheard-of in the sport. I don't think it's ever happened before. The extraordinary nature of these crimes was not discussed.

As for Resto, I have no doubt he feels bad and that his life was tragically altered. But he has had 26 years to clear the air. That's longer than most current fighters have been alive. But he chose to go on lying, in the vain hope that he might get a trainer's license someday. A lie left uncorrected is an ongoing crime against the truth. Resto's offense wasn't simply one night. It was all the nights of planning that led up to the fight, and all the obfuscation that followed it. Hell, why should we believe him now? For all we know, he got a piece of that bet money.

Drath also cheats his audience by soft-pedalling Resto's quarter-century coverup and painting Collins Sr. as a money-hungry profiteer pimping a spurious lawsuit.

He is lazy and negligent, and on the wrong side of everything. Maybe this could have been a good film, but it wasn't.

T-K-O

I state that Resto looks like a broken man and that him admitting to the crime is definately not a bad thing and you come back with the ridiculous gullible comments:rolleyes:

You should really have moved on from the picture dictionary at this stage of the game.

As for your second post, have you no opinion of your own or do you simply copy and paste for other forums :rolleyes:

I also post on American forums with guys who know the sport inside out. Some of the writers that post on that board have that opinion of Collins Snr. Rumor has it he did stop his son fighting, he did turn down fights. That is all irrelevant at this stage.

The facts are a young kid lost his life and had his career ruined at the hands of Lewis and Resto. Resto finally admitted to the crime and that is a positive. 26 years is a long time we are still waiting for Lewis to admit his part - but dont hold your breath.

walshb

I already posted my thoughts. If you really want to believe that
Resto and that whole "show" was truthful, sincere, honest and genuine, so be it; it doesn't surprise me with you. A bit like the Jacko funeral, though even that was little more dignified

One other thing that film doesn't mention is that at a press conference just before the film was finished, Resto admitted to having his gloves altered several times in prior bouts, so he knew. Maybe this may alter your view of Resto's supposed guilt and remorse
and sincerity, though I won't hold my breath, as you would say.

T-K-O

walshb wrote: »

I already posted my thoughts. If you really want to believe that
Resto and that whole "show" was truthful, sincere, honest and genuine, so be it; it doesn't surprise me with you. A bit like the Jacko funeral, though even that was little more dignified

One other thing that film doesn't mention is that at a press conference just before the film was finished, Resto admitted to having his gloves altered several times in prior bouts, so he knew. Maybe this may alter your view of Resto's supposed guilt and remorse
and sincerity, though I won't hold my breath, as you would say.

Im not talking about the whole show in fact the doc was pretty poor in the way it was put together. I dont care how Resto feels I just said it was a good thing he admitted to the crime.


As we are talking about other threads, this is coming from the guy who thinks guys who seek child porn do not commit a crime. :rolleyes:

akindoc

It's the number one scumbag thing to do in the ring and completely unforgivable. No, you don't get a second chance when you do that. Sorry. I don't care how "sorry" Resto is, he went in there and cheated in the highest sense and deserves NO SYMPATHY of anyone. NONE.

As for TKO vs Walshb here... you are so involved in the discussion that you are not seeing each others point. TKO is saying it's a good thing that Resto has finally admitted to the crime (although he is COMPLETE SCUM for leaving it so long)... and Walshb is saying that... he is complete scum for leaving it so long. Mutually in agreement from what I can see lads! No need for arguing if you both agree now is there!!

itouchmyself

T-K-O Honest Question... Do you just play Devils Advicate on every thread or is your knowledge off boxing and kop on that bad???

Im serious, ah bloke that puts tampered gloves had his own hands put in plaster off paris before a fight. Isn't the kind off bloke that care's that much after!!

Anyone that watch's that should realise its exagerated for television and to make him a few bob...

akindoc

itouchmyself wrote: »

T-K-O Honest Question... Do you just play Devils Advicate on every thread or is your knowledge off boxing and kop on that bad???

Im serious, ah bloke that puts tampered gloves had his own hands put in plaster off paris before a fight. Isn't the kind off bloke that care's that much after!!

Anyone that watch's that should realise its exagerated for television and to make him a few bob...

If TKO actually BELIEVES everything Resto is saying... hes pretty dumb. But from what I can see, he's just saying its a good thing that Resto has finally admitted it, and I guess it is. (The alternative being him not admitting it)

T-K-O

akindoc wrote: »

It's the number one scumbag thing to do in the ring and completely unforgivable. No, you don't get a second chance when you do that. Sorry. I don't care how "sorry" Resto is, he went in there and cheated in the highest sense and deserves NO SYMPATHY of anyone. NONE.

As for TKO vs Walshb here... you are so involved in the discussion that you are not seeing each others point. TKO is saying it's a good thing that Resto has finally admitted to the crime (although he is COMPLETE SCUM for leaving it so long)... and Walshb is saying that... he is complete scum for leaving it so long. Mutually in agreement from what I can see lads! No need for arguing if you both agree now is there!!

Listen I never said Resto deserves another chance or that the crime he committed was not as bad as you state. I simply pointed out that him admitting to the crime was only a good thing. I guarantee you the Collins would get some comfort from that and even more so if all parties admitted their guilt.

T-K-O

itouchmyself wrote: »

T-K-O Honest Question... Do you just play Devils Advicate on every thread or is your knowledge off boxing and kop on that bad???

Im serious, ah bloke that puts tampered gloves had his own hands put in plaster off paris before a fight. Isn't the kind off bloke that care's that much after!!

Anyone that watch's that should realise its exagerated for television and to make him a few bob...

Hear we go.

Let me start with asking you how did my comment about Resto give you any insight what so ever to boxing knowledge - it has nothing got to do with it. As for Devils advocate, what are you talking about ? links, references or zip it.

As for your second point. The answer to that question is yes. People commit crimes every day and regret and care very much after the crime is committed. Now before you reply to this comment READ IT.

T-K-O

akindoc wrote: »

If TKO actually BELIEVES everything Resto is saying... hes pretty dumb. But from what I can see, he's just saying its a good thing that Resto has finally admitted it, and I guess it is. (The alternative being him not admitting it)

You read my post and didnt come to this conclusion. The others guys are living in a box. That doc wasn't the greatest by a long stretch.

The one good thing to come out of the film is the admission of guilt, I could go on but there are only so many ways to say the same thing.

walshb

akindoc wrote: »

It's the number one scumbag thing to do in the ring and completely unforgivable. No, you don't get a second chance when you do that. Sorry. I don't care how "sorry" Resto is, he went in there and cheated in the highest sense and deserves NO SYMPATHY of anyone. NONE.

As for TKO vs Walshb here... you are so involved in the discussion that you are not seeing each others point. TKO is saying it's a good thing that Resto has finally admitted to the crime (although he is COMPLETE SCUM for leaving it so long)... and Walshb is saying that... he is complete scum for leaving it so long. Mutually in agreement from what I can see lads! No need for arguing if you both agree now is there!!

akin, T.K.O and I disagee about the sincerity of Resto. He believes that Resto is genUine and sincere and regretful, regarding his admission .I say the guy is a fake and it's all an act and staged, so no, we are not in agreement on this.

Strictly on the admission of guilt: Is it a good thing? That depends, Is it honest and sincere? Well, with Resto's
resume, the chances are NO

And, TKO seems to think that if I can't see the value of this admision, that I am
then somehow missing a point?

What point? He had 26 years to cooperate, he didn't and he prolonged
the suffering. Collins' family KNOW he's nasty man, just like Nicole Brown's
family know OJ is a nasty man; they don't need an admission for this, or
for closure.

Collin's family know what happened, Resto, 26 years later on some
half ass staged documentary is not clearing up anything, nor is
it healing wounds or providing closure or comfort and anyone who thinks
it is, and Resto's admission is good and positive is simply easily fooled

T-K-O

walshb wrote: »

akin, T.K.O and I disagee about the sincerity of Resto. He believes that Resto is genUine and sincere and regretful, regarding his admission .I say the guy is a fake and it's all an act and staged, so no, we are not in agreement on this.

Strictly on the admission of guilt: Is it a good thing? That depends, Is it honest and sincere? Well, with Resto's
resume, the chances are NO

That's your problem Walsh you have a very low opinion of everyone else. A person you do not even know. 99% of us would regret doing something like that even if it took 26 years the other 1% are your Panama Lewis's of this world.

I'm not defending this guy, what he did was disgraceful but I have posted on another boards with guys that know the gym he lives in and know the guy personally. These informed posters say he is regretful.

Maybe Walsh can tell us more about his resume to prove otherwise.
Stop ducking the point is the admission of guilt a good thing or not ?

walshb

TKO, you are simply a sucker for a sob story, plain and simple.
I bet you lap up the X factor and Pop Idol...

Look, one must take into acount the evidence before one simply
'swallows' the 'truth'.

Resto is a low life, always was and always will be and he came
across as a low life in the fil, and all the fake tears and fake admissions
didn't at all fool me. It did fool you, but that's not surprising.

One example is at the end when Resto is acting the hard and tough and honest man and is confronting Lewis and demanding the 'truth,' bear in mind that Resto knows the truth from the get go and was always complicit. Seriously, did you buy that last scene for one second:rolleyes:

At the end, he is back pally pally with Lewis.

So, it has ZERO to do me and a low opinion. My opinion of the show and Resto and Lewis is a very very low one, and you know why, because they are
low lifes...

You also are implying tha Resto, the guy who battered a man, and maybe men, with loaded gloves
is somehow amongst the 99 percent of the pouplation that are genuine and remorseful. Are you
havin' a laugh. And that Lewis is the real bad guy. Resto is the bad guy too, and badder
than even Lewis. I think you need to realise, that a lot of the people on this planet
are evil and nasty and it's not all roses. Hey, a lot are good too, but you underestimate
the baddies

walshb

T-K-O wrote: »

Stop ducking the point is the admission of guilt a good thing or not ?

How am I ducking the question.

For whom exactly is this fake and phoney and LATE admission good for:rolleyes: It doesn't bother me or anyone else, all that can be affected
are the Collins' family and if I were them I would be offended and insulted
at such a fake and dishonest admission, 26 years too late.

So, I guess NO, the admission is not good, it's simply fake and dishonest and
fake and dishonest can NEVER be a good thing.

It's a bit like 'feint praise' or congratulations. When something
lacks sincerity, it can never be taken serious

NilByMouth

Couldnt be bothered reading the 2 lads above having a bitch fight:rolleyes:

As for the boxing:what a sh1tty thing :mad:

T-K-O

walshb wrote: »

TKO, you are simply a sucker for a sob story, plain and simple.
I bet you lap up the X factor and Pop Idol...

Look, one must take into acount the evidence before one simply
'swallows' the 'truth'.

Resto is a low life, always was and always will be and he came
across as a low life in the fil, and all the fake tears and fake admissions
didn't at all fool me. It did fool you, but that's not surprising.

One example is at the end when Resto is acting the hard and tough and honest man and is confronting Lewis and demanding the 'truth,' bear in mind that Resto knows the truth from the get go and was always complicit. Seriously, did you buy that last scene for one second:rolleyes:

At the end, he is back pally pally with Lewis.

So, it has ZERO to do me and a low opinion. My opinion of the show and Resto and Lewis is a very very low one, and you know why, because they are
low lifes...

You also are implying tha Resto, the guy who battered a man, and maybe men, with loaded gloves
is somehow amongst the 99 percent of the pouplation that are genuine and remorseful. Are you
havin' a laugh. And that Lewis is the real bad guy. Resto is the bad guy too, and badder
than even Lewis. I think you need to realise, that a lot of the people on this planet
are evil and nasty and it's not all roses. Hey, a lot are good too, but you underestimate
the baddies

Lets stick to the point. For the record I am not a fan of those morally corrupt 'talent' shows you mention.

I cant put this anyone other way. Both guys committed a crime, yes resto was in the ring but it was also resto that admitted to the crime, lewis is still denying it. When the dust settles the majority of people will regret crimes or offenses they have committed against another person.

In my opinion when guys cheat at sports they will always regret it. For example a cyclist or sprinter that cheats to win the gold - those guys know they are not the true champion and Im sure it plays on their mind every single day.

You are very quick to brand someone a low life 'always has been' without knowing the facts. None of us do. I've already stated this was a disgusting horrible thing to do. I'm sure Resto has been approached a thousand times on this so why now does he admit to it... I would assume guilt, regret.

Sure there are 'baddies' out there who simply do not care but any half decent person with a consciences will care and will regret what they did.

walshb

NilByMouth wrote: »

Couldnt be bothered reading the 2 lads above having a bitch fight:rolleyes:

As for the boxing:what a sh1tty thing :mad:

Sometimes the bitch fights are the best, so stop bitching!

TKO, I think you are a little naive in thinking that most of these cheats
regret it. I doubt they do at all, they all have hard bloody necks. The difference with Resto's cheating is that it involves serious PHYSICAL pain
and cruelty to the victim, which is a hell of a lot worse than say, the hand of god with Maradona, or Ben Johnson's
steroid win in Seoul...

T-K-O

It is worse you are correct.

But cheating is cheating. I understand you have boxed and I myself play a few sports. There is no pride in cheating. Winning a match or a fight is all about pitting yourself against an opponent to see who is the best. I do not know what kind of person would not regret cheating. Deep down they know that they have achieved nothing.

Vintagekits

walshb

T-K-O wrote: »

It is worse you are correct.

But cheating is cheating. I understand you have boxed and I myself play a few sports. There is no pride in cheating. Winning a match or a fight is all about pitting yourself against an opponent to see who is the best. I do not know what kind of person would not regret cheating. Deep down they know that they have achieved nothing.

But I did point out a very important issue with Resto. It has been shown that Retso knew of previous bouts where his gloves had been tampered with. He admitted this, now, how the can you or anyone mantain that this guys is sorry, regretful or remourseful? How many damn chances does this schmuck get? So, was he regretful every time? Is that how it worked?

He wasn't regretful then, or before and definitely not now

Vintagekits

‘Assault in the Ring’ a chilling tale

fintonie

Vintagekits wrote: »

‘Assault in the Ring’ a chilling tale

makes for good reading, the low of the low, truer words were never uttered.

nacho libre

I hope Margarito watches this documentary.

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

You also are implying tha Resto, the guy who battered a man, and maybe men, with loaded gloves

Resto admits to using tampered gloves(and presumely plaster aswell) in his fight with Mario Guilloti(which he lost), and one other fight outside the United States(which he also lost).

I certainly believe Resto regrets using the gloves that night, afterall it took his career away. Now is he regretful because of what happened to Collins ?, who knows, but even in the documentary he gives off the impression that he was more annoyed about losing his career than what happened to Collins.

cowzerp

walshb wrote: »

regretful or remorseful? How many damn chances does this schmuck get? So, was he regretful every time? Is that how it worked?

He wasn't regretful then, or before and definitely not now

Bren, its years later and he will have matured a lot and probably softened over the years, i don't believe he was regretful or remorseful at the time of these fights but maybe years on he is, he was more sorry for himself though in fairness, As far as chances go-he does not need a chance and in my opinion should not get 1, that applies whether he's sorry or not.

pickarooney

Was any mention made of the ref letting the fight continue when a fighter was in such a dreadful state?

walshb

Big Ears wrote: »

Resto admits to using tampered gloves(and presumely plaster aswell) in his fight with Mario Guilloti(which he lost), and one other fight outside the United States(which he also lost).

I certainly believe Resto regrets using the gloves that night, afterall it took his career away. Now is he regretful because of what happened to Collins ?, who knows, but even in the documentary he gives off the impression that he was more annoyed about losing his career than what happened to Collins.

No, the only damn thing a guy like Resto regrets is getting caught!Guys, with all due respect guys, I think your views are quite naive.

Resto is a low life and always will be, some folks are just plain bad.
He did it many times and was not regretful, and just because he sheds a few
tears on a well rehearsed film, he is now regretful?:rolleyes: BTW, he also earned a few quid from this, so this regret and truth was borne out of a need for money, not justice or forgiveness or guilt! It's as plain as the nose on your face. All for the cameras was Resto's tears.

Big Ears, I re-read your post and I see now what you are saying
and I agree to an extent. Resto regrets using the gloves
because he gets caught and jailed, so, in a sense, it was the getting
caught that our Resto regrets.

Had Resto not got found out in the Collins bout, no doubt the vile
man would have continued his crimes. So, that tells me
that this man is plain bad

As for the regret about using the gloves to inflict the damage, no way.
He did it more than once and repeatedly pulverized men with
loaded gloves.

Big Ears

pickarooney wrote: »

Was any mention made of the ref letting the fight continue when a fighter was in such a dreadful state?

First of all this was the early 80's where fighters generally had to take a lot more punishment before being stopped.

Also this was on the undercard to Roberto Duran v Davey Moore and although we know the horrible effect the Resto fight had on Collins, it was the main event and the beating that Duran inflicted on Moore that most people would have talked about directly after.

At the time of the event it had appeared Moore took a much, much worse beating.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMfDqZyn1NM

TwistsAndTurns

Big Ears wrote: »

Resto admits to using tampered gloves(and presumely plaster aswell) in his fight with Mario Guilloti(which he lost), and one other fight outside the United States(which he also lost).

I certainly believe Resto regrets using the gloves that night, afterall it took his career away. Now is he regretful because of what happened to Collins ?, who knows, but even in the documentary he gives off the impression that he was more annoyed about losing his career than what happened to Collins.

After watching it I tend to lean to your way of thinking on it. If he had not got caught he would have kept quite and carried on to the next big pay day.:mad:

slipss

nacho libre wrote: »

I hope Margarito watches this documentary.

What's that supposed to mean nacho?

slipss

Ah, never mind, just googled it, ****, never heard about that with Margarito, am missing so much boxing since I've been travelling.