Obama's Kenyan birth certificate found

Run_to_da_hills

California attorney Orly Taitz has released a copy of a birth certificate that purports to show Barack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya, which if authenticated would plunge the United States into a constitutional crisis and potentially herald a catastrophic loss of confidence in the legitimacy of the government.

According to the US Constitution, Article 2, Sec. 1, “No person except a natural born citizen…shall be eligible to the office of president.” If authenticated, document could create constitutional crisis, reaction could be martial law :eek:

The Obama birth certificate issue has been rumbling on for over a year, with researchers demanding to see a complete birth certificate proving that President Obama was born in Hawaii as he claims, yet none has been forthcoming.

Mainstream media attention on the issue has intensified over the past few weeks, even forcing the White House itself to publicly dismiss the controversy.

However, Taitz’ bombshell discovery blows the whole story wide open and its ramifications could be monumental. According to World Net Daily, Taitz has filed a new motion in U.S. District Court seeking authentication for the document.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764

Diogenes

So to be clear, Obama produces a birth certificate, but it's a jpg so it's not good enough, then this "lawyer" produces a jpg of a "birth certificate" and it's going to create a "constitutional crisis".

He was born in Hawaii, neighbours, school friends, teachers, doctors, remember him through out his childhood, deal with it.

getz

brilliant, he is british ,but not the first to be a american president

jhegarty

Even if he was born in Kenyan it wouldn't matter.

You need to be born a citizen (which he would be by having a us parent) , not born on US soil.

getz

ok he is half british

Hagar

He barely made it. Hawaii became a state on August 21, 1959 and Barack Obama was born on August 4, 1961.

Diogenes

Here's Orly Taitz She's a lawyer, a dentist and a real estate broker. If you think this woman is capable of creating a constitutional crisis, then well, christ. She doesn't even understand the constitution.

Diogenes

Hagar wrote: »

He barely made it. Hawaii became a state on August 21, 1959 and Barack Obama was born on August 4, 1961.

And the fact that his mother is a US citizen, born in Kanas, makes that point completely redundant.

Run_to_da_hills

I reckon he was born in Kenya and a stork sneaked him into the States. :P

Diogenes

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I reckon he was born in Kenya and a stork sneaked him into the States. :P

Oh christ. John Mc Cain was born in Panama. Does this mean if he was elected we'd be wondering if he was from Panama?

But Obama did supply his birth cert plus other stuff including newspaper notices of his birth.

Why should anyone take this lawyer/dentist seriously?

Nuravictus

There is a few problems with that document, like the fact it says Republic of Kenya before Kenya was a Republic.

GerardKeating

Diogenes wrote: »

And the fact that his mother is a US citizen, born in Kanas, makes that point completely redundant.

Not exactly, one interperation of the phase "natual born citizen" is a citizen born one of the 50 states, and that those born outside (even to US citizens) are naturalised citizens.

Since it has never been chalanged before the courts, it might be valid.

Penn

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The Obama birth certificate issue has been rumbling on for over a year, with researchers demanding to see a complete birth certificate proving that President Obama was born in Hawaii as he claims, yet none has been forthcoming.

Even though 'researchers' haven't seen a complete birth certificate, you don't think that the government might have checked it before swearing him in? Or that the Democrats might have checked it before endorsing him as a Presidential Candidate? Or that he himself might have checked it before doing something as momumentally stupid as to run for President if he wasn't eligible to?

Gillo

Or that the Republicans might have brought it up when he was in the running.

Or at any point during his senate election campaign and subsequent senate term.

ihatewallies

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6th

ihatewallies wrote: »

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Seriously, can you tone down the silly posts?

ihatewallies

Sorry didn't realise silly posts were disapproved of on a board about reptilians, the nazis were misunderstood and the world's scientists are con men.

Diogenes

GerardKeating wrote: »

Not exactly, one interperation of the phase "natual born citizen" is a citizen born one of the 50 states, and that those born outside (even to US citizens) are naturalised citizens.

Since it has never been chalanged before the courts, it might be valid.

Poppycock as I mentioned John Mc Cain was born in Panama, so any challenge based on place of birth could equally be used against him. Furthermore Chester A Aurther was born a British citizen after the establishment of the United States.

There is a few problems with that document, like the fact it says Republic of Kenya before Kenya was a Republic.

That and it's dated for a Saturday. Did you ever hear about a Government office open on a Saturday?

Diogenes

A pretty significant problem with the Birth Cert.

It's for the Republic of Kenya, the republic of Kenya didn't exist in 1961, Kenya became a republic in 1963.

Orly didn't even check wikipedia before producing this.

ihatewallies

I've never seen any con theory evidence that didn't make the theory itself look bonkers and the alternative look more certain than ever.

marco_polo

Funny


http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2009/08/03/birther-leader-orly-taitz-implodes-on-msnbc/

This is just the right wing bullsh1t machine..Ignore and move on..

Diogenes

The forger has revealed themselves.

Kernel

Right wing, left wing, republican, democrat, citizen, non-citizen... all irrelevant and obsolete in the face of a new world order.

GerardKeating

Diogenes wrote: »

Poppycock as I mentioned John Mc Cain was born in Panama, so any challenge based on place of birth could equally be used against him.?

Not Poppycock,

Quoted from Snopes.com..

"... a law professor at the University of Arizona has concluded that neither Mr. McCain's birth in 1936 in the Panama Canal Zone nor the fact that his parents were American citizens is enough to satisfy the constitutional requirement that the president must be a "natural-born citizen"
"..."

Diogenes wrote: »

Furthermore Chester A Aurther was born a British citizen after the establishment of the United States.

According to other sources. he was born in Vermont to a U.S. citizen mother

Diogenes wrote: »

That and it's dated for a Saturday. Did you ever hear about a Government office open on a Saturday?

Not in Ireland, but that was not ireland.

Diogenes

GerardKeating wrote: »

Not Poppycock,

Quoted from Snopes.com..

"... a law professor at the University of Arizona has concluded that neither Mr. McCain's birth in 1936 in the Panama Canal Zone nor the fact that his parents were American citizens is enough to satisfy the constitutional requirement that the president must be a "natural-born citizen"
"..."

Really try and claim any child of US citizens born out of the US isn't a US citizen. You'll have every married US serviceman living abroad (hint thats alot) up in armys.

According to other sources. he was born in Vermont to a U.S. citizen mother

Could you please provide those sources, and their supporting evidence.

Not in Ireland, but that was not ireland.

Government bureaucracies generally don't work weekends. You need to prove that the bureaucracy for a government that didn't exist in 1961 worked on a Saturday.

I'd walk away now if I was you.

Kernel

Diogenes wrote: »

Really try and claim any child of US citizens born out of the US isn't a US citizen. You'll have every married US serviceman living abroad (hint thats alot) up in armys.

They're already in armies by definition are they not?

Diogenes wrote: »

Government bureaucracies generally don't work weekends. You need to prove that the bureaucracy for a government that didn't exist in 1961 worked on a Saturday.

I'd walk away now if I was you.

Lol. :rolleyes:

Diogenes

Kernel wrote: »

They're already in armies by definition are they not?

Puerto Rico citizens can serve in the US army but aren't eligible for citizenship. Your point is?

Lol. :rolleyes:

Someone who has a track record of storming off this forum, claiming they'll never return, thats a bit rich.

Kernel

Diogenes wrote: »

Puerto Rico citizens can serve in the US army but aren't eligible for citizenship. Your point is?

My God man, why do you constantly misinterpret every point? Re-read.

Diogenes wrote: »

Someone who has a track record of storming off this forum, claiming they'll never return, thats a bit rich.

Once again, liberal with the truth. I said I was taking a break from it, and spending my time and efforts elsewhere. Which I have been doing. :rolleyes:

Diogenes

Kernel wrote: »

My God man, why do you constantly misinterpret every point? Re-read.

Please change the record or clarify your argument. What on earth are you blithering about when you say "they're still in armies"

Gordon

Oh calm down ffs Diogenes, you're the one blithering now, he's talking about your spelling mistake.

Diogenes

Gordon wrote: »

Oh calm down ffs Diogenes, you're the one blithering now, he's talking about your spelling mistake.

Well he should just say that. He's reduced his argument to pedantry and semantics, on several threads.

6th

Handbags are now banned on this forum .... put them away ladies!

Deacon Blues

Diogenes wrote: »

Really try and claim any child of US citizens born out of the US isn't a US citizen. You'll have every married US serviceman living abroad (hint thats alot) up in armys.

But isn't that the reason that US bases in foreign countries are considered US territory ? Base hospitals are on US soil.

Diogenes

Deacon Blues wrote: »

But isn't that the reason that US bases in foreign countries are considered US territory ? Base hospitals are on US soil.

You're confusing bases with embassies. US Foreign Affairs manual. Various bases on different countries have different status, depending on the treaty negotiated with the country that houses that particular base. The land is often leased. Secondly what if a base isn't large enough to have a hospital, or it's hospital doesn't have maternity facilities?

US bases aren't considered US soil for the purpose of birth of children of servicemen. The point still stands, it doesn't matter where Obama was born, because his mother was a US citizen, he automatically gains citizenship.

midlandsmissus

Nuravictus wrote: »

There is a few problems with that document, like the fact it says Republic of Kenya before Kenya was a Republic.

Dude, I googled the story on this birth certificate, and found this out:

It is not proclaiming to be his actual birth certificate from 1961. It is a certified copy of his birth certificate, produced in 1964, when Kenya was indeed a republic.

If you google it you can find better pictures of it, closer up.

midlandsmissus

Just did a bit more googling:

His grandmother, half sister and half brother all say that they were present at his birth.......in Kenya! :eek:

Diogenes

midlandsmissus wrote: »

Just did a bit more googling:

His grandmother, half sister and half brother all say that they were present at his birth.......in Kenya! :eek:

Pretty impressive considering he met all of the for the first time in his twenties. And again if he was born in Kenya (which he wasn't) it doesn't matter, having an American parent entitles you to American citizenship.

ozzirt

Adelaide public servant David Bomford was plucked from obscurity when US political campaigners released a copy of a birth certificate at the weekend that supposedly showed Obama was born in Kenya. Source:http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hgAbSgutp5fgwvz7qsFIqcZZ_R5w

Apparently Australian and Kenyan birth certificates look much alike, but the forgers forgot to Photoshop out the Australian price and several other unique identifying features.

Obama 1, Forgers Nil.

GerardKeating

Deacon Blues wrote: »

But isn't that the reason that US bases in foreign countries are considered US territory ? Base hospitals are on US soil.

Nope, that's the whole point of keeping prisoners in Guantánamo, they are not on US soil, and they can ignore the local (cuban) governemnt,

GerardKeating

Diogenes wrote: »

Really try and claim any child of US citizens born out of the US isn't a US citizen. You'll have every married US serviceman living abroad (hint thats alot) up in armys.

Read the quote again, it said "NATURAL born citizen" not citizen.
John McCain even went to the trouble of getting a senete resolution to state that he was a "natural born citizen" but it is a non-binding. Only the supreame court can determine the exact meaning of the phrase and they have neve ruled on it.

Diogenes wrote: »

Could you please provide those sources, and their supporting evidence.

Please supply ANY evidence for your claim that Chester A Aurther was not american...

Diogenes wrote: »

Government bureaucracies generally don't work weekends. You need to prove that the bureaucracy for a government that didn't exist in 1961 worked on a Saturday.

Diogenes wrote: »

I'd walk away now if I was you.

Why, just because you make claims and do not back them up with evidence,...

Diogenes

GerardKeating wrote: »

Read the quote again, it said "NATURAL born citizen" not citizen.
John McCain even went to the trouble of getting a senete resolution to state that he was a "natural born citizen" but it is no-binding only the supreame court can determine the exact meaning of the phrase and they have neve ruled on it.

And what did the co sponsor of the resolution say?

“It is silly for anyone to argue that Senator McCain is not eligible to become president,” said McCaskill. “I would hope that this is something we can all agree on, for goodness sakes.”

At a Judiciary Committee hearing on April 3, Leahy asked Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, himself a former Federal judge, if he had doubts that McCain was eligible to serve as President.



“My assumption and my understanding is that if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural-born American citizen,” Chertoff replied.

Source

You can replace "parents" with parent in Obama's case. If you have an American parent, you automatically gain citizenship.

Please supply ANY evidence for your claim that he was not american...

I think you're missing a trick here. I'm arguing he is American, remember?

Why, just because you make claims and do not back them up with evidence,...

I did, just there, I also provided a link to the act the governs US bases on foreign soil and their status.

GerardKeating

Diogenes wrote: »

And what did the co sponsor of the resolution say?

Does not matter what they said, they have no standing to define the meaning of the term "Natural Born" citizen. Pesonally i think they should give full rights to all citizens, "Arnie for Pres"

Diogenes wrote: »

I think you're missing a trick here. I'm arguing he is American, remember?

sorry, that was a reference to your claim about "Chester A Aurther".

Diogenes wrote: »

I did, just there, I also provided a link to the act the governs US bases on foreign soil and their status.

If all these was soo clear, why did John McCann feel the need for the senate resolution.

As i mention above, i do not think Naturalised citizens should be any less a citizen an have the full right of "Natural born" citizens.

Diogenes

GerardKeating wrote: »

Does not matter what they said, they have no standing to define the meaning of the term "Natural Born" citizen. Pesonally i think they should give full rights to all citizens, "Arnie for Pres"

Thats really not the point.

sorry, that was a reference to your claim about "Chester A Aurther".

Sorry there is serious dispute about CA Arthur's birthplace, and seeing as birth certs weren't issued in the 18th century, it's a bit tricky.

If all these was soo clear, why did John McCann feel the need for the senate resolution.

Because stupid things because stupid issues that don't go away. Remember how they claimed Obama went to an extremist Muslim school, a Madarash! Only it turned out it was just an ordinary school?

if Obama wasn't born in the US and instead grew up in Kenya the number of people involved in this fraud would be breathtaking.

As i mention above, i do not think Naturalised citizens should be any less a citizen an have the full right of "Natural born" citizens.

Well thats nice, it's not a conspiracy theory though is it?