How do you rate the importance of seeing you swing on camera during a lesson

gerp

Me and my bro were out playing yesterday evening and a guy asked if he could join us so we said no problem he plays off 11 I play off 6 and my brother plays off 9.

I will get straight to the point the guy said he just cant seem to get to single figures ( HANDICAP ) so we got chatting to him about lessons.

Now his swing needs real improvement but when i tried to tell him what was wrong with his swing he said i was wrong.

The guy had little or no shoulder turn but he thought he he a full 90 degree turn so we asked him if he had got lessons but he told us that the pro he goes to wont put him on camera.

Now my bro and I would not go for a lesson without being put on camera.

So my question to you is do you feel it is important to be put on camera during a lesson ????????????

PeterJamesDoyle

I went for a lesson in Fota last year, and I was recorded on camera. Afterwards, my swing was put up on the big screen, and shown against a pro golfers swing, in order to point out the areas I need to work on.
It definitely made me more conscious of what I was doing wrong.

I play off 9, and if a lower handicap golfer commented on something I was doing wrong, I'd be only too delighted to take it on board.

It was a nice gesture. You were only being helpful. He might have been from Kilkenny. They're brilliant at everything and are never wrong.

Naz_st

Yeah, I think it's vital - especially for your first few lessons or so. I went to a pro a few years ago when I first started playing and he tried to get me to change a few things but I really didn't get what exactly I was doing wrong (couldn't help feeling that he could tell me anything and I wouldn't have a clue if it was right or wrong). Anyway, that put me off lessons for a while, and then a year or so ago when I was playing terribly I decided to go get some more lessons, but I went specifically in search of video lessons. And this time I got a lesson, video recording and comparison analysis vs tour swings on a split screen with the pro's voiceover commentary pointing out the issues (for roughly the same price as the first lesson incidentally). And it was obvious even to my eyes what I was doing wrong when the pro pointed it out. Also, since I have the DVD of the lesson, I can look back on it whenever I start doing the same things wrong.
Now I'd recommend getting a video lesson to anyone, especially as your first few when it's harder to visualise what you're doing wrong...

jampotjim

PeterJamesDoyle wrote: »

I went for a lesson in Fota last year, and I was recorded on camera. Afterwards, my swing was put up on the big screen, and shown against a pro golfers swing, in order to point out the areas I need to work on.
It definitely made me more conscious of what I was doing wrong.

I play off 9, and if a lower handicap golfer commented on something I was doing wrong, I'd be only too delighted to take it on board.

It was a nice gesture. You were only being helpful. He might have been from Kilkenny. They're brilliant at everything and are never wrong.

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I disagree with somebody lower than me pointing out swing faults in a round as 1st they are not trained in the golf swing and 2nd they may encourage me to think of something with out really giving me a fix thus enhancing or creating a new problem..

There are a few lads I would trust but they would be people I know and they know my swing and even then I would only get little things like alingment etc as really a Pro has undergone training to be able to pinpoint little issues that can cause bigger ones..

On the point of video I am getting lessons now and did before and the major difference is I get to see my changes now and compare them to pros etc whic for me has made a huge difference.. I wouldn't go back to a pro with no video again after getting proper analysis..

ShriekingSheet

For me, I'd choose my pro based on his repuatation and credentials rather than what gadgetry he offers.

I had a video constantly on during my time with Brendan McDaid years ago. It was great as it played back each swing immediately after the ball flew. He had two cameras at 90 and 180 degrees and could draw lines on the screen to show planes etc.

That said, imo it encourages technical thinking and people shift their objectives from taking less shots to having their hands in a certain position. This goes double for the take-home-DVD suggestion which is completely nuts in my view. It can also be a gimic relied on by second rate intstructors to wow people into thinking they're a serious coach so beware.

conno16

my pro has 4 different cameras
gets confusing
i think it contributed to my crap shots on the day

retiefgoosen!

Video feedback in lessons is crucial, was the only way I really 'saw' Hogan's glass plane

But regarding giving / receiving advice on the golf course:
Frankly I don't listen to any advice "on the course".
I know this probably only highlights my noobness & ignorance but while on the course, as soon as I hear anything that even smells like a:

"don't take this the wrong way but..."
or
"here is some free advice / criticism..."
or
"if I was you I'd..."

I politely will say something in the line of "sure, go ahead" and pretend I listen but in fact I just shut down and ignore what's said to me.
In my humble opinion and in the small amount of real experience I do have, I have never received good advice from anyone whilst actually being on the golf course. I think learning is for the driving range and lessons, playing a round is for applying what you've learnt - especially relevant to newer players where the slightest bit of info is quick to confuse you and make you doubt yourself = bad news.
But that's just my opinion on advice on a golf course :P

So to you old timers and low h'cappers, when you see the likes of me wielding my driver like a drunk samurai and you feel that burning desire to offer me some of your free advice...
Just.... don't.... do it!
:P

ShriekingSheet

retiefgoosen! wrote: »

Video feedback in lessons is crucial, was the only way I really 'saw' Hogan's glass plane

That's funny on so many levels. I know some people disagree with me but surely you can see there's at least a hint of the King's new clothes about all of this...?


Lesson videos are like car spoilers. The top performance cars are class, with or without the spoiler. A poxy hatchback with a giant spoiler is still a poxy hatchback.

retiefgoosen!

Ha ha you're right Shrieking

ShriekingSheet wrote: »

there's at least a hint of the King's new clothes about all of this...?

It's Emperor's new clothes dammit!
EMPEROR!
:P

gerp

Naz_st wrote: »

Yeah, I think it's vital - especially for your first few lessons or so. I went to a pro a few years ago when I first started playing and he tried to get me to change a few things but I really didn't get what exactly I was doing wrong (couldn't help feeling that he could tell me anything and I wouldn't have a clue if it was right or wrong). Anyway, that put me off lessons for a while, and then a year or so ago when I was playing terribly I decided to go get some more lessons, but I went specifically in search of video lessons. And this time I got a lesson, video recording and comparison analysis vs tour swings on a split screen with the pro's voiceover commentary pointing out the issues (for roughly the same price as the first lesson incidentally). And it was obvious even to my eyes what I was doing wrong when the pro pointed it out. Also, since I have the DVD of the lesson, I can look back on it whenever I start doing the same things wrong.
Now I'd recommend getting a video lesson to anyone, especially as your first few when it's harder to visualise what you're doing wrong...

Naz ST

Sounds good i think my brother got the same thing done i sat down and watched it with him.
Very interesting i can see how if say you went away on holidays and did not play for say 4 weeks it would be great to just sit back and put it on.

My bro has been at me and at me to get it done.

gerp

Dont understand ShriekingSheet for a low handicapper how you could say that being able to watch your swinganalysis over and over is in some way bad for you.

Surely to understand whats wrong with your swing it is very important to see it and revisit what you say need to work on.

I live on the south side does anyone know of a pro that offers a take home analysis on tape.

retiefgoosen!

gerp wrote: »

I live on the south side does anyone know of a pro that offers a take home analysis on tape.

Not sure about tape, you mean video as in VHS tape?
Had a few lessons at Spawell and took home my swing on CDROM, which is the modern equivalent I guess

gerp

CD DVD anything i can play back i did a search on google cant seem to find anyone south dublin unless you guys know of someone who does?

Thanks guys