Anneliese Michel

faceman

I was reading a few articles about this girl. For those who havent heard of her, you might have heard of Emily Rose. Michel is the German girl who The Exorcism of Emily Rose is loosely based on. She died at the age of 23.

Regardless of whether you believe Michel was possessed or not, there is no denying what she was put through, and subsequently her parents in court, was more horrible than anything you could watch on film.

But was she possessed. I have a link to the recordings of the exorcism which Im going to listen to later on. (The link is on her wiki page)

Anyone any views on her case or possessions in general? What are people's views on where religion is involved?

MrMojoRisin

I'm glad you brought that up. That poor girl met an agonising end. From when the alleged bizarre happenings started, she refused all food, drink, and any medical help (bar the diagnosis of her epilepsy by a specialist initally). Not surprisingly she was finished off by dehydration and malnutrition on July 1st 1976, weighing an unimaginable THREE KILOGRAMS. Shocking, man. There were something like 60 exorcisms carried out on Anneliese over nine months. What's ironic about all of it was that she was a THEOLOGY student. Some religious figures have said that God made her a martyr for human suffering - not exactly dissimilar to the plight of Jesus in some ways.

But how does anyone really know she was possessed by something discarnate? I'd say her parents couldn't accept that she was epileptic and just attributed the seizures and all the sh!t that came with it to 'demonic possession' instead. Then they call in priests and everybody gets whipped up into a mad ruckus about how the Devil is acting through her. Anneliese is probably as frustrated and trapped as f*ck and goes on a hunger strike as a form of protest. They said she came out with all these names of 'senior demons' but, being a student of theology, she had probably came across those names in texts and shouted them out to undermine the 'work' of the priests/exorcists. Take the piss like.

It could happen. But it's a sad story all the same. Very sad.

I never saw that movie The Exorcism of Emily Rose because 1) I'm not a fan of horror movies (I think most of them are sh!te) and 2) one of my friends who saw it said it was crap. There are always inaccuracies and deviations from the true events in these sorts of films. Like,The Exorcist centres around a 12-year-old girl (played by Linda Blair) who was possessed, but the real life phenomena on which the movie was based had a 13-year-old BOY who was possessed. Well, apparently..

An Fear Aniar

I saw that movie, scared the shi'ite out of me - had to sleep with the light on for months.

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smithcity

There is nothing worse than a film "based" on true events. Because the word based is usually abused beyond all recognition.

I'm not familiar with the Emily Rose case so I wont comment, but I will say that possession has often been clinically evaluated and succesfully treated psychologically.

RLJ

I saw the exorcism of emily rose but Requiem is supposed to be more accurate. Is requiem subtitled anyone know

RLJ

smithcity wrote: »

There is nothing worse than a film "based" on true events. Because the word based is usually abused beyond all recognition.

Did you see An American Haunting, you would do some looking for the truth that is based on

smithcity wrote: »

but I will say that possession has often been clinically evaluated and succesfully treated psychologically.

have you any experience

There is a new movie due soon called The_Haunting_in_Connecticut which i think is also based on 'true' events

suey71

One night, when my 7 year old son was about 4 or 5 months old. He said "HAA HAA HAA". In a load deep voice that sounded like it came from an adult man. It scared the life out of myself and my wife.
It was around 4 AM. and he was restless and was keeping us awake. I don't think I will ever tell him this, as it would probably mess him up.

Did any one ever hear of anything like this?

An Fear Aniar

I often think when I hear of some of the things people do, like the woman recently who killed and ate her baby after hearing "voices", I often think that demons must be somehow involved.

Anyway, these are the signs of infestation given by the Roman church:

SIGNS OF POSSESSION (from the Roman Ritual of Exorcism)

The following are symptoms of possession as represented in the Roman Ritual of Exorcism. In most cases, a victim will have one or more of the traits listed.

* Victim speaks or understands unknown languages without ever studying the language being spoken or heard
* Victim clearly knows things that are distant or hidden
* Victim can predict future events (sometimes through dreams)
* Victim has an intense hatred for holy things
* Victim shows a physical strength far above his age or normal condition

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doctor evil

RLJ wrote: »

I saw the exorcism of emily rose but Requiem is supposed to be more accurate. Is requiem subtitled anyone know

It is subtitled. Not a bad film. Horrible what happened to her. I don't think she was possesed at all.

Ghost Girl

Saw the Emily Rose film and a few of the other exorcism films. The bit that stayed with me and bothers me is the part in the film that shows her being herself and asking for help, as if the demon has rested for a while, and the she's resisting all help again when the demon is supposedly at work.

Also was not happy to hear that people supposedly likely to be posessed are those of a psychic nature, dreaming of future events etc.

After this I turned to some one who supposedly has experience in dealing with entities, evil etc, and I asked her how I could protect myself as I'm told I'm open. She told me about the light and how to use it as protection. Makes me feel a bit better, and thankfully haven't been tested yet!

How do we know for sure what the hell was going on in this case?? Its frightening either way. Be it medical or demonic posession - either way not a nice ending.

RalphKramden

If you really want the facts and not the hype, I highly recommend the book "The Exorcism of Anneliese Michel" by Felicitas Goodman. It's very thorough and level headed, though I think charitable to a fault regarding the irresponsible behavior of the priests and her parents. Also, the author attaches too much weight to some pet anthropological theories regarding trance states. But overall, an excellent book.

Also, at this website you can listen to a 90 minute recording of one of the exorcism sessions. Scroll down to see the flash player:
http://web246m.dynamic-kunden.ch/maria/anneliese.html

It might be disturbing if you're sensitive to this kind of thing. At the very end, during the last minute, she's out of the trance and speaks in her normal voice.

In my opinion, she was not posessed. She was epileptic and had an unusually powerful fantasy life. This was aggravated by abuse of seizure and anti-psychotic drugs. Goodman makes a strong case for orverprescription of one of these drugs being a big factor in her death. Also, as you can hear in the recording, she sounds and behaves just a little too much like Linda Blair in "The Exorcist." The film had been released in Germany just before Anneliese's condition really became extreme. With her interest in posession, she probably couldn't resist seeing it. Unlike the fictional Emily Rose, Anneliese never spoke in any other language except her native German. Once in a while she would use a Latin phrase familiar to devout Catholics, like "Humanae Vitae", the title of a papal encylical.

The priests involved were a pair of real flakes. Fr. Alt believed himself to have psychic powers. Fortunately he was hardly ever there. Fr. Rent, who was usually the exorcist, was a gullible simpleton who never questioned the reality of the "posession," even when he was supposed to question it as part of the investigation. He did not stick to the Roman Ritual of Exorcism, as you can hear in the recording. He meandered aimlessly for months, asking questions to satisfy his own curiosity (this is specifically forbidden by the Church). There was never a doctor present during the exorcism, as required by the Roman Ritual. If a doctor had been present as required, it might have saved her life. All in all, a sad and tragic case.

twanda

There is a movie called ''possessed'', about the young boy on whom ''the exorcist'' was based. If you havn't seen it, you should. It's a very good movie. Here's a link to the IMDB page:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0195165/usercomments

An Fear Aniar

twanda wrote: »

There is a movie called ''possessed'', about the young boy on whom ''the exorcist'' was based. If you havn't seen it, you should. It's a very good movie. Here's a link to the IMDB page:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0195165/usercomments

Wow, it's got some really good reviews, thanks for linking to it.

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MrPatMustard

faceman wrote: »

I was reading a few articles about this girl. For those who havent heard of her, you might have heard of Emily Rose. Michel is the German girl who The Exorcism of Emily Rose is loosely based on. She died at the age of 23.

Regardless of whether you believe Michel was possessed or not, there is no denying what she was put through, and subsequently her parents in court, was more horrible than anything you could watch on film.

But was she possessed. I have a link to the recordings of the exorcism which Im going to listen to later on. (The link is on her wiki page)

Anyone any views on her case or possessions in general? What are people's views on where religion is involved?

I dont know why people find the concept of possession so hard to accept. There's a lot happening these days that I think can only be explained by it...

pookie82

They find it hard to accept because it goes against all logic and reason, it can be perfectly explained as a medical condition in the vast majority of cases, and the good old church and religion are heavily embroiled with it.