Should we be allowed sell our own organs?

Long Onion

I say why the hell not, they are mine and I should be allowed do whatever I want with them.

What do you think and why?

sidneykidney

No...just no...donation yes ...selling......no.

4zn76tysfajdxp

Long Onion wrote: »

What do you think and why?

Personally, I don't think you should because then you are placing a price on a human life. Which would be monstrous.

Pop's Diner

Maybe a compromise? Not selling, not donation but some sort of league table that could put a value on you as human-being (eg using metrics such as 'hours given to charity' , 'clean criminal record', 'general contribution to society' etc). Good people 'win' an organ , wasters die.

brummytom

Isn't "selling your own organs" just the same as prostitution?

mink_man

i sold mine! got €2000 for it. really adds to the church choir!

ejmaztec

brummytom wrote: »

Isn't "selling your own organs" just the same as prostitution?

With prostitution you more often than not get your organs back.

Long Onion

brummytom wrote: »

Isn't "selling your own organs" just the same as prostitution?

Personally, I wouldn't sell that organ, but maybe some other ones:D

the_syco

Hmmmmm.... interesting. You want a new car, you sell some part of your body.

Someone wants some part of your body, they hold your family hostage.

You may say they could do that already. Maybe, but they may not have your blood type, etc, on such a nice database now.

ejmaztec

mink_man wrote: »

i sold mine! got €2000 for it. really adds to the church choir!

Tubular balls?

Celticfire

Long Onion wrote: »

I say why the hell not, they are mine and I should be allowed do whatever I want with them.

What do you think and why?

I think you watched CSI Miami last night.......

Pop's Diner

brummytom wrote: »

Isn't "selling your own organs" just the same as prostitution?

No, prostitution is renting your own organs.

stovelid

Somebody beat you to it.

I so want to buy that, by the way

Long Onion

the_syco wrote: »

Hmmmmm.... interesting. You want a new car, you sell some part of your body.

Someone wants some part of your body, they hold your family hostage.

You may say they could do that already. Maybe, but they may not have your blood type, etc, on such a nice database now.

Yes but then again, somebody wants your money, they hold your family hostage - no difference.

I'm just interested in how far people think the right to one's own personage should extend. After all, we can sell our houses and land even though they are actually owned by the state and we have no right to ownership of them at all.

Why can't i choose to sell my kidney to someone who wishes to buy it?

(p.s. no PM's, I haven't fully decided yet;))

rubadub

brummytom wrote: »

Isn't "selling your own organs" just the same as prostitution?

And what if it is? many want that legalised. You could say working in hazardous conditions is prostitution or selling your organs, since you could be damaging your health for money, like people working cleaning radioactive power plants get "danger money"

People sell their hair for money. Or sell blood or sperm for money in some places, or take part in drug trials.

then you are placing a price on a human life.

People do that with life assurance, or insuring body parts, like Flately meant to be insuring his legs.

I remember seeing a documentary with lads in some slum in south american (i think), they all had scars where organs had been removed and sold. It is a very dodgy subject and open to exploitation, just like prostitution there are many things to take into account.

bleg

If you want to sell your organs move to Iran. It's a free for all over there.

Blazer

I fully expect all the drug users to come in and claim
1.that it should be allowed.
2.Making such a thing illegal is creating a criminal market etc blah blah blah.
3. Besides it's harmless :pac:
4. If it was legalised then no need for a black market anymore and it would be regulated.

Poor Uncle Tom

brummytom wrote: »

Isn't "selling your own organs" just the same as prostitution?

That brings new meaning to '...liver in a jam jar'

The_Minister

I do think that we should be compensated for donating organs.

If you die, and donate a liver/kidney/heart etc, I think part of your funeral should be paid for.

I also have no real problem with people selling their organs as long as they fully understand the consequences, but I don't think it should be encouraged and I think it should be heavily regulated.

Long Onion

Ok, Imagine the following:

A person is dying and needs an urgent transplant there are 5 people in a room who are suitable donors but 3 are saying no way the other two are willing to give the organ but want compensation.

Should the potential recipient be allowed die even if willing to pay. It's surely not their fault that all 5 are selfish and two are greedy along with it.

Poor Uncle Tom

The limits to moral, social and ethical boundaries are thought and set as you are growing up to become an adult. If you choose to be part of society then acceptance of some general rethorical rules are expected.

Nobody expects you to sodomise animals, deficate of the main street at rush hour, sell your organs, beat up your granny (even if she does deserve it), etc., etc.

gillo_100

The_Minister wrote: »

If you die, and donate a liver/kidney/heart etc, I think part of your funeral should be paid for.

I have a vague recollection of seeing something like this on a documentary.

Only it was body parts which were dead which were being exchanged.
So bascially, someone agreed to donate their body to a particular medical research facilty, for med students and the like. And in return got their funeral paid for. Money couldn't be given directly as then would have been selling corpse which is illegal.

Wazdakka

I don't see why not tbh..

Two contesting adults, nobody gets hurt, saving someones life, yadda yadda..
It's not exactly a choice the seller is going to make lightly and I doubt too many people would be up for it.

Is there actually a law against it?

* Runs off to register the domain IBay.com

*Edit*
Aaaahh after you die..
I should realy start reading the thread a bit more.
I was thinking of just selling a spare kidney to raise some cash kind of thing.

But after you die... Hmmm I dunno.
Isn't there already a way of getting yourself up the waiting list with money?

IvyTheTerrible

I think in an ideal world, we should all be free to sell our organs if we wish. However, it's not an ideal world, and the people who are most desperate for money are the most likely to be exploited unethically. If this was introduced it would have to be extremely heavily regulated.

Long Onion

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

The limits to moral, social and ethical boundaries are thought and set as you are growing up to become an adult. If you choose to be part of society then acceptance of some general rethorical rules are expected.

Nobody expects you to sodomise animals, deficate of the main street at rush hour, sell your organs, beat up your granny (even if she does deserve it), etc., etc.

But where did this rule of social norm come from? Sodomising animals affects the animals, defecating on publig highways affects the rights of other users, punching Granny hurts Granny - is there anyone adversely affected by me selling a kidney?

(p.s. i keep saying kidney because for some strage reason i had no takers for my appendix ....)

Saruman

No beacuse if you can buy and sell organs legally then it creates a value on something that is currently valueless. If a kidney has a value and you have the ability to buy one, it creates a black market. Do you want to be walking home one night and instead of being robbed of your wallet you are robbed of your vital organs? It already happens in other countries!

Currently there is no value and you can not buy them so the only source is from a deceased donor or a willing family member, all traceable and no way for a black market to exist.

steppen

bleg wrote: »

If you want to sell your organs move to Iran. It's a free for all over there.

What? I would hazard a guess you've never been there

I've worked in hospitals there and lived there, if you want a free for all, eastern Europe is your best bet

Wazdakka

Saruman wrote: »

No beacuse if you can buy and sell organs legally then it creates a value on something that is currently valueless. If a kidney has a value and you have the ability to buy one, it creates a black market. Do you want to be walking home one night and instead of being robbed of your wallet you are robbed of your vital organs? It already happens in other countries!

Kidney nicking is a complete Urban legend.
It's just not feasible with the level of surgery and time required to keep the kidney usable.

Also I doubt many trained Surgeon's are likely to be roaming the streets of Dublin with a scalpel, determined to cut you up for the price of some crack.

Saruman

Re read the link, It might be an urban Legend in the USA but the article says it is probably not an urban legend in other countries where you can get away with it.

Besides, it makes no difference how feasible it is, if some junkie thinks he can get 5k for a kidney all he needs in his own mind is a good knife and a picnic cooler filled with ice. He will certainly try it.

Also if you actually read the link you posted, did you not see the update at the bottom?
I heard about that one on the radio a while back. They were in cahoots with some major hospitals too.

ejmaztec

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

Nobody expects you to sodomise animals, deficate of the main street at rush hour, sell your organs, beat up your granny (even if she does deserve it), etc., etc.

Says you!

Wazdakka

Saruman wrote: »

Stuff..

Honestly.. Nope I didn't read it through.
I'd read a while ago that it was an urban legend, Googled it, and posted the first link that looked rightish.
Man that came back to bite me in the ass

I sit corrected.

Fink Goddie

I love the way the first person to reply to this thread was sidney kidney:pac:

Blazer

I hereby offer the following body parts for sale once it's legalised.

1. Tonsils
2. Coccyx
3. Appendix
4. Soul

SeekUp

Eeeeeeeh, it's a slippery slope. If you're ill and need an organ, screw the transplant list (which I believe is according to who came first and who needs it most); if you have money, you jump to the top. If you can't afford it, then you'd get screwed?

Or would the market for organs exist outside of the existing situation? (Even if it did, who would donate organs anymore if you could get paid for one?)

The_Minister

The Lisbon Treaty will actually make it harder for such plans to be created.

If you read the EU Charter for Fundamental Human Rights, article 3 seems to limit any plans to allow a market for organs.

Tbh, I'm not really all that comfortable with the idea of poor people being forced to sell their kidneys to richer alcoholics, especially since their impaired health will cost the public service.

Any scheme that involves compensating people for organs would have to be organised through the state, and would have to be subject to strong regulatory oversight. A free market for organs is a recipe for exploitation.

Neonlight

In China ,the death penalty capital of the world ,they execute them in a government supplied slaughterhouse medical organ extraction ambulance.Donor cards need not apply.
And you wonder why Asia has the fastest growing economy in the present world recession.
Ooops i hope nobody in China is reading !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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