Pigeon shooting

fiestaman

Wel lads can you shoot pigeons all year round now or is there still the season time. if so what if a farmer asks me to shoot them but he hasent tried any other form of scaring and stuff like that. can i go in and shoot them over barley and when barley is cut can i decoy them on that field again, even if all the barley is cut and theres no more barley for miles. can you shoot vermin ie. magpie greys mink squirll all year round. i might sound uneducated in shooting but theres so much rubbish wrote in paragraphs these days i duno what the story is.

J.R.

fiestaman wrote: »

Wel lads can you shoot pigeons all year round now or is there still the season time. if so what if a farmer asks me to shoot them but he hasent tried any other form of scaring and stuff like that. can i go in and shoot them over barley and when barley is cut can i decoy them on that field again, even if all the barley is cut and theres no more barley for miles. can you shoot vermin ie. magpie greys mink squirll all year round. i might sound uneducated in shooting but theres so much rubbish wrote in paragraphs these days i duno what the story is.

You can shoot pigeons over crops with the landowners permission if they are causing damage.

You can shoot pigeons over stubble with the landowners permission if they are causing damage and there's a crop nearby.

My interpretation of the EU derogation is you can't shoot pigeons over stubble, even with the landowners permission, if there's no crop nearby......not causing damage so can't shot them.

You can shoot pigeon, feral pigeon, collard dove, magpie, rook (crow), jackdaw & greycrow with the landowners permission if they are causing damage.

All year round (they have no season) you can shoot rats, mice, rabbit, mink, fox & grey squirrel.

ronn

the nargc website has a thing on it about a court case over someone shooting woodies,

Mellor

J.R. wrote: »

You can shoot pigeons over crops with the landowners permission if they are causing damage.

You can shoot pigeons over stubble with the landowners permission if they are causing damage and there's a crop nearby.

My interpretation of the EU derogation is you can't shoot pigeons over stubble, even with the landowners permission, if there's no crop nearby......not causing damage so can't shot them.

You can shoot pigeon, feral pigeon, collard dove, magpie, rook (crow), jackdaw & greycrow with the landowners permission if they are causing damage.

All year round (they have no season) you can shoot rats, mice, rabbit, mink, fox & grey squirrel.

This would be my understanding of it exactly. Its pretty clear cut, I don't understand how so much misinformation gets posted.

I would also add, that Grey and Carion crow can be shot. They are listed as one species on the derog. But are in fact two.

bunny shooter

And the defination of "nearby" is ?

J.R.

bunny shooter wrote: »

And the defination of "nearby" is ?

My interpretation of the EU derogation is you can't shoot pigeons over stubble, even with the landowners permission, if there's no crop nearby......not causing damage so can't shot them.



I'm no expert on EU Derogation, just trying to understand the implications, but I think a lot of it is going to have to be basic common sense & 'cop on' ....weighing up each situation and making a decision accordingly.

At the end of August & all the cereal crops in the vicinity have been harvested, leaving all crop fields in stubble, I think it would be very difficult to fight your case, justifying your reason for shooting pigeons when they are feeding on spilled grain (which will soon be ploughed back into the soil) and are not causing any damage to the crop.

If a garden were nearby (field or two away) that had a crop of cabbage etc. being attacked by pigeons then I think you would be justified in decoying from a nearby stubble field to attract them from the garden to your decoy set-up. The attack & thus damage done to the garden crop would have to be evident from where you set up.

I would class 'nearby' as a field or maybe two away from the crop being attacked....why would you set up a hide farther away that that? .....that's my own understanding anyway.

Jonty

J.R. wrote: »

My interpretation of the EU derogation is you can't shoot pigeons over stubble, even with the landowners permission, if there's no crop nearby......not causing damage so can't shot them.



I'm no expert on EU Derogation, just trying to understand the implications, but I think a lot of it is going to have to be basic common sense & 'cop on' ....weighing up each situation and making a decision accordingly.

At the end of August & all the cereal crops in the vicinity have been harvested, leaving all crop fields in stubble, I think it would be very difficult to fight your case, justifying your reason for shooting pigeons when they are feeding on spilled grain (which will soon be ploughed back into the soil) and are not causing any damage to the crop.

If a garden were nearby (field or two away) that had a crop of cabbage etc. being attacked by pigeons then I think you would be justified in decoying from a nearby stubble field to attract them from the garden to your decoy set-up. The attack & thus damage done to the garden crop would have to be evident from where you set up.

I would class 'nearby' as a field or maybe two away from the crop being attacked....why would you set up a hide farther away that that? .....that's my own understanding anyway.

Definition of near and far away


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmU_q5xrnto

ayapatrick

Mellor wrote: »

I would also add, that Grey and Carion crow can be shot. They are listed as one species on the derog. But are in fact two.

never knew that! whats the differ in the two?

elius

ayapatrick wrote: »

never knew that! whats the differ in the two?

1 is a dirty fooker who will pic the eyes out of a lambs head.. Grey grow is black with a grey back and hood.. I think the carion is just black..

marlin vs

You have the grey back(Hooded crow) which is commonly known down this way as the scall crow the're as clever as a magpie and as bad,take eggs, chicks and take pieces out of lamb's as they are born.



Then you have the Carrion crow this one does more scavaging and cleaning up more than anything.

ayapatrick

marlin vs wrote: »

You have the grey back(Hooded crow) which is commonly known down this way as the scall crow the're as clever as a magpie and as bad,take eggs, chicks and take pieces out of lamb's as they are born.



Then you have the Carrion crow this one does more scavaging and cleaning up more than anything.

i thought the 2 names were both for the greys.
edit: hooded thats the one!

J.R.

Yes - They are two distinct species:

Carrion Crow (Corvus corone corone)

Grey Crow (Corvus cornix)

In U.K. the Carrion crow is the most common of the two and they have no Greycrows but in much of Ireland and Scotland, the carrion crow is replaced by the grey-and-black hooded crow; in the border zones, the two species inter-breed. Carrion Crow can be blown over from Wales etc. to be found in some counties along the East Coast of Ireland. Why there should be two distinct races inhabiting adjoining climatic zones is a mystery.


The Grey Crow is also called the Hooded Crow, Hoodie, or Scáth Crow (I think that's the spelling) as scáth as Gaeilge means 'shaded' or 'shadow'

Mellor

J.R. wrote: »

Carrion Crow Corvus corone

Grey Crow Corvus (corone) cornix

Just a slight change to the latin name and a note on the derog.
The grey is often listed as corvus (corone) cornix or corvus c. cornix. This is because it was until recently (5-7 years ago) considered a geographic variant on the carrion crow (corvus corone).

The derog lists corvus corone only, but labels it as grey (hooded) crow. This is because (I imagine) when the EU directive came in there was no separation between greys and carrions, and the grey was the more common in ireland.



While we are on the derog, anybody know why damage to game birds isn't a valid reason for shooting magpies?

J.R.

Mellor wrote: »

While we are on the derog, anybody know why damage to game birds isn't a valid reason for shooting magpies?

Thanks for corrections - cut & pasted in wrong place!!


Game birds being attacked is covered for magpies this year....wasn't there last year!....makes sense to include them.

http://www.environ.ie/en/Legislation/Heritage/NatureConservation/FileDownLoad,16426,en.pdf

Mellor

Sorry, wasn't concentrating.

meant to say, why damage to game birds isn't a valid reason for shooting rook but was added for magpies?

J.R.

Mellor wrote: »

Sorry, wasn't concentrating.

meant to say, why damage to game birds isn't a valid reason for shooting rook but was added for magpies?

Quite agree with you......they do as much damage as greycrows & magpies and seem to be around in far greater numbers.