Drinking on the job [split thread]

Cantab.

kearnsr wrote: »

Drinking on the job. Nice to see academic standards hasn’t slipped.

You've obviously never studied in France.

godtabh

Cantab. wrote: »

You've obviously never studied in France.

Are you in France?

If you were working for me and I caught you drinking during lunch I'd have you fired

Cantab.

kearnsr wrote: »

Are you in France?

If you were working for me and I caught you drinking during lunch I'd have you fired

Only if you had it specifically mentioned in the terms and conditions of employment. Perfectly acceptable to have a glass of pinot grigio with food during lunch. Muppet.

btw, are you even in Trinity?

godtabh

Cantab. wrote: »

Only if you had it specifically mentioned in the terms and conditions of employment. Perfectly acceptable to have a glass of pinot grigio with food during lunch. Muppet.

btw, are you even in Trinity?

A lot is covered under mis conduct and I've seen a few people been let go in the past.

I wouldn't trust the work any one has done if I knew they had been drinking during the day.

Doesn't matter if I'm in trinity or not. Its called professionalism

Boston

Different industries though. Cantab is effectively an office worker where as you are a civil engineer, potentially responsible for the lives of others.

godtabh

Boston wrote: »

Different industries though. Cantab is effectively an office worker where as you are a civil engineer, potentially responsible for the lives of others.

I would disagree.

Consequences are different but there is still consequences.

I’ve been to client (who has no design input only decision making) meetings were its policy to send people home if they suspect you are under the influence (3 warnings and your gone) be it from the night before, lunch or the hip flask you think nobody knows about it.

Again it comes down to professionalism. Fit for purpose regardless if its research, design or pushing a pencil

As I said I’d question any work done I suspected was under the influence especially my work but academic work as well.

Cantab.

Which country has better civil engineering: Ireland or France?

On that note, I think I'll pop over to O'Neill's for a roll and a pint of the black stuff. It's been a long morning.

godtabh

Cantab. wrote: »

Which country has better civil engineering: Ireland or France?

On that note, I think I'll pop over to O'Neill's for a roll and a pint of the black stuff. It's been a long morning.

How long is a piece of string?

ApeXaviour

Okay this is very OT, and a debate for a different place and time.

So I'm splitting this thread, as I wouldn't mind giving my two cents at a later stage (have to work).

Warning for Cantab, no personal abuse will be tolerated. Keep it civil lads.

enda1

ApeXaviour wrote: »

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Keep it civil lads.

Keep it mechanical!!

But on the other hand I have on occasion had drinks during lunch but this would only be when relating to official lunchs - lunch with suppliers/university staff.

Countries where I've done this have only been France and Germany. The lunchs are generally ong enough that anything you have had to drink is long forgotten by the time any more work is done.

Wouldn't make it a habit though!

devinejay

enda1 wrote: »

Keep it mechanical!!

Oh lawd!!

(I still laughed though :rolleyes:)

Jonathan

Spot the odd poster out.

Apex. Everyone else is an engineer. :pac:

TedB

Jesus M. Christ. We can't have the odd pint with our lunch? Has one pint ever impaired judgement or performance? What possible effect will that have on our working ability?

Studies show that the occassional pint of Guiness or glass of red wine has positive health benefits. Red wine for example improves blood flow to the heart.

I think people are mixing up getting inebriated on the job (Which is very unprofessional/something an alcoholic might do) and having a little drink with their dinner. Will people please find something more productive to do with their lives rather than worry somebody is having the occasional 'cheeky' drink.

Personally, I would be absolutely against drinking on the job, 'cheeky pint' or otherwise.
Each to their own anyway.

TedB

ND 1978 wrote: »

Personally, I would be absolutely against drinking on the job, 'cheeky pint' or otherwise.
Each to their own anyway.

Thats fair enough. I suppose it would make sense if you were a doctor or doing something that literally worked on life or death and that even a 1% loss in concentration could mean the end of someones life...

But in all other cases... enjoy your pint!

Unregistered.

Meh, I think many would agree it should be restricted to lunch time only! I don't think it's proper to be drinking while doing your job!

Then again, I don't think its proper to give 100% out either, so I'm more than likely wrong about the drink. Might see if we can get that coffee machine replaced with a mini bar.

IvyTheTerrible

Cantab. wrote: »

You've obviously never studied in France.

I work in research in France and it is most certainly not acceptable to drink at lunch. We are allowed a single half glass of wine at lunch (and that is only for special occassions). If you are seen under the influence of alcohol, that's a serious disciplinary issue.

When I was in Trinity I never drank at lunch either.

The Walsho

I always drink during lunch!














Although I am a raging alcoholic and my problem is tearing both my life and my family apart.

alantc

kearnsr wrote: »

A lot is covered under mis conduct and I've seen a few people been let go in the past.

I wouldn't trust the work any one has done if I knew they had been drinking during the day.

He's not talking about getting hammered. Are you unable to formulate ideas and articulate them on paper after one drink?

kearnsr wrote: »

Doesn't matter if I'm in trinity or not.

Hence he put "btw" before his question. Have you been drinking?

ApeXaviour

kearnsr wrote: »

As I said I’d question any work done I suspected was under the influence especially my work but academic work as well.

You've not heard of, or don't believe in the Ballmer Peak then I take it?

JC 2K3

One glass of wine or one pint at lunch, especially with food, is not going to seriously impact your work.

TedB

JC 2K3 wrote: »

One glass of wine or one pint at lunch, especially with food, is not going to seriously impact your work.

Basically there are two kinds of people -> One group hold a high professional standard for themselves and believe this gives them an entitlement to judge those who don't take themselves so seriously, the other lives life and recognises the profound differences between work and real life, and couldn't give a **** if they have a little drink with their meal. And rightly so.

Liquorice

alantc wrote: »

He's not talking about getting hammered. Are you unable to formulate ideas and articulate them on paper after one drink

I fall off chairs and get slight drunk-vision after one glass of wine (or two with food) so I don't think I could drink on the job and function properly afterwards. So yep, I'm probably unable to articulate ideas on paper after one drink. God forbid I'd ever have to operate technical equipment.

However, I know I don't have much body mass and don't have much tolerance for alcohol, and I get the feeling most other people know their capacity as well and can make their own judgements. Arseholes who go beyond their limits would probably get noticed and chucked quickly enough. That said, if I found out my surgeon or pilot had been drinking I would kick up the biggest tantrum this side of toddlerdom.

ZWEI_VIER_ZWEI

kearnsr wrote: »

I would disagree.

Consequences are different but there is still consequences.

I’ve been to client (who has no design input only decision making) meetings were its policy to send people home if they suspect you are under the influence (3 warnings and your gone) be it from the night before, lunch or the hip flask you think nobody knows about it.

Again it comes down to professionalism. Fit for purpose regardless if its research, design or pushing a pencil

As I said I’d question any work done I suspected was under the influence especially my work but academic work as well.

What absolute nonsense. You really think someone having a pint with their lunch is going to impair their academic work significantly? You really think that pint's going to make you worse at your job?

Sure, it'll affect your reflexes and your motor skills, but arguing that that paper you wrote or that email to a client would have been a shambolic embarrassment if it were written under the influence of a pint is absolutely moronic.

I hope that society moves away from these stupid parochial attitudes where all drinking not done on a Friday night was evil and sinful and harmful economy, and towards a more relaxed culture where people could happily enjoy a quiet pint with lunch without worrying about the boss finding out.

tolosenc

Liquorice wrote: »

I fall off chairs and get slight drunk-vision after one glass of wine (or two with food) so I don't think I could drink on the job and function properly afterwards. So yep, I'm probably unable to articulate ideas on paper after one drink. God forbid I'd ever have to operate technical equipment.

However, I know I don't have much body mass and don't have much tolerance for alcohol, and I get the feeling most other people know their capacity as well and can make their own judgements. Arseholes who go beyond their limits would probably get noticed and chucked quickly enough. That said, if I found out my surgeon or pilot had been drinking I would kick up the biggest tantrum this side of toddlerdom.

OK, here's what you do:

Drink a bottle of wine. Go to the airport dressed as a pilot. Order another glass of wine at the bar. When someone sists beside you, ask where they're going. Then say "Oh! Me too..." And fall off your chair.