Ratholing in card clubs

stevire

There are a couple of card clubs that have plenty of regs that are constantly "going south" or ratholing after they build up a stack. As far as im aware its prohibited in every card club yet the players constantly get away with it.

A lot of the players seem to think that it's standard to do it. I hate to see it and think it can ruin the etquitte of the game and lowers the standard. The players know what's going on, the card club knows whats going on so why isn't there anything done about it? Its the opposing players and the card club that lose out with money being taken from the table and the player still sitting.

I've seen it myself occasionally but never wanted to make a scene so just kept my mouth shut.... What are people's opinions on this?

thedini

prohibited,eh? it's their money they can do what they like with it. will leave this here but I misundertood what op meant, of course you can't do it and you should never be left back near the table.

Chucky the tree

rothling lol, is it not known as rat holing?

steoin

thedini wrote: »

prohibited,eh? it's their money they can do what they like with it.

eh no on 2 counts its not their money the money belongs to the table and is only theirs once they leave the table and no they cant do what they like with it

RichieLawlor

thedini wrote: »

prohibited,eh? it's their money they can do what they like with it.

Are you serious? you better not be

a-k-47

bad etiquette imo..

thedini

RichieLawlor wrote: »

Are you serious? you better not be

no misunderstood what he meant of course you can't do it.

Whyno

Shower of d1ckheaads only do this..its nt der money til its cashed out...

Rekop dog

Whyno wrote: »

Shower of d1ckheaads only do this..its nt der money til its cashed out...

Yeah it's particularly annoying when a fish puts a beat on you and you could easily win it back but he cashes it out and takes the money from the table.

I've seen it happen a lot in the main clubs in Dublin and they need to clamp down on it. It's even easier to rathole on some sites online!

steoin

Rekop dog wrote: »

Yeah it's particularly annoying when a fish puts a beat on you and you could easily win it back but he cashes it out and takes the money from the table.

I've seen it happen a lot in the main clubs in Dublin and they need to clamp down on it. It's even easier to rathole on some sites online!

have u misunderstood what he was saying by any chance? ie taking money out of play and pocketing it

Irish Iron

is this the same as rabbit hunting (looking at what cards were coming next) ?

Slash/ED

I thought ratholing was playing a short stack in a cash game...

Where is this allowed? I've never seen it allowed anywhere but I can only speak of Dublin

steoin

Slash/ED wrote: »

I thought ratholing was playing a short stack in a cash game...

Where is this allowed? I've never seen it allowed anywhere but I can only speak of Dublin

Not allowed anywhere but it does happen especially some1 after a few,not playing long etc

BobSloane

Ratholing is prison slang for smuggling or hiding items in the rectum, apparently

dannydiamond

Ratholing is the practice of taking money off the table. Apparently another less-common phrase used to describe this practice is "going south" (seen during season two of High Stakes Poker). Standard poker rules forbid ratholing, and most casinos will enforce this prohibition. Virtually all poker is played at table stakes, meaning that only money on the table at the start of a hand is in play and subject to being wagered. Ratholing is taken seriously, especially in no-limit and pot-limit games, because it deprives opponents of the opportunity to win back money lost to the ratholer.

Online poker makes it somewhat easier to rathole, but some sites (such as PokerStars and Full Tilt Poker) will force a player who leaves a no-limit table to buy in for the same amount if reseated within a set time limit.

http://poker.wikia.com/wiki/Ratholing

Rekop dog

steoin wrote: »

have u misunderstood what he was saying by any chance? ie taking money out of play and pocketing it

No haven't misunderstood. I've seen players taking money out of play and giving to a friend or runner to cash out for him while still playing at the table.

corkie123

ratholing going south two lovely ways of saying that people are palming money off table and still playing in game which does not give a person a chance of getting it back .

personally i dont mind a person leaving when they want but not going south and if i see it happen i get them to put it back on table also i seen few people leave for half hr then come back to put in less than they left with that i would not allow as well .

5starpool

Binning chips is not allowed anywhere over here afaik, and I have seen people removed from tables for it, and heard of barrings for persistent offenders, but not too often.

Slash/ED

If you're at the table then kick up a fuss and don't let it happen, if that doesn't work don't play in that club ever again and name and shame them

Icarus152

BobSloane wrote: »

Ratholing is prison slang for smuggling or hiding items in the rectum, apparently

It is most certainly frowned upon to hide things in your rectum during a game.It is in Waterford anyway,maybe dublin is a bit more bohemian when it comes to these things.

El Stuntman

Icarus152 wrote: »

It is most certainly frowned upon to hide things in your rectum during a game.It is in Waterford anyway,maybe dublin is a bit more bohemian when it comes to these things.

I would like to know this practice came to be frowned upon in the Deise

full details please, spare no blushes

pocketdooz

Rekop dog wrote: »

No haven't misunderstood. I've seen players taking money out of play and giving to a friend or runner to cash out for him while still playing at the table.

Where?

I've seen it happen once in the Fitz and once in the Emporium.

Both times the player in question was pulled up on it.

One was a degen and the other was a total newbie who was trying to give money to a friend and didn't know it was not allowed.

Besides that I've never seen it . . .


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YULETIRED

A cousin of mine goes Ratholing,
A cousin of hers loves Joe Dolan

ianmc38

Isnt ratholing buying in short?

insomniak

isn't ratholing where the gays exchange hamsters for rats?

Samba

I played in a room where they had a very simple solution to this, dealer made a rough chip count before you left...

strewelpeter

I thought ratholing was leaving the table after building a stack and moving to a different table (online), or to a different casino (live). Makes more sense as a phrase IMO

You do see people moving from one room to another in Dublin and it makes sense whether you are up or down - who wants to be sitting at the main table with some of the better players when the droolers are fighting with each other to give away their money.

jem

Rekop dog wrote: »

Yeah it's particularly annoying when a fish puts a beat on you and you could easily win it back but he cashes it out and takes the money from the table.

I've seen it happen a lot in the main clubs in Dublin and they need to clamp down on it. It's even easier to rathole on some sites online!

I would point out I have never done it BUT
It may be annoying to have some one win money from you and you dont get a chance to win it back - tough. it was your money, you wagered it, you lost, he won, his money now.
He is intitled to leave the table when ever he likes. otherwise everyone would have to stay at the table until all were level with what they brought to the table. Some times you win some times you lose, thats poker and life.
I dont agree with slipping money off the table while playing its bad form, but leaving when you want its everyone's choice.

Tony_Montana

Totally totally wrong and should never be allowed. Swapping tables is fine IMO but should never happen at the same table

gman127

thedini wrote: »

prohibited,eh? it's their money they can do what they like with it.

They most certainly cannot!
Any money on the table must stay there to be played with as long as the player is.

a-k-47 wrote: »

bad etiquette imo..

Not just an etiquette issue, completely against the rules

Slash/ED wrote: »

If you're at the table then kick up a fuss and don't let it happen, if that doesn't work don't play in that club ever again and name and shame them

Agree 100%. Card room managers cant track hand by hand how much each person has, also difficult for the dealer to follow; so if you see someone pocket chips or 'go south' with them bring to attention immediately and it WILL be sorted out.
If it isn't then your playing in a dodgy card room i'm afraid and time to get out imo!

thedini

gman127 wrote: »

They most certainly cannot!
Any money on the table must stay there to be played with as long as the player is.

did you fail to read the rest of the sentence?

mdwexford

ianmc38 wrote: »

Isnt ratholing buying in short?

I always thought this also.

thedini

mdwexford wrote: »

I always thought this also.

I googled it because I misunderstood the op and got slated, apparently it's when you win at the table, cash out, then return to table with a lesser amount.

Theresalwaysone

Ratholing is buying in short, doubling up, leaving the table and buying in short again? No?

I remember the most frustrating case of taking chips off the table before. Was in a club and the table fish was running sick hot, he would win a pot, take some of the winnings from the pot and go put it on roulette, if he won he would pocket the winnings. He'd do this everytime he won a pot, sometimes taking exactly the amount he won from the pot and putting the amount he invested back in his stack.

Whyno

What would be your views on lending/passing money outta your stack to another player at the table?(to keep the game running at full speed)

Theresalwaysone

Whyno wrote: »

What would be your views on lending/passing money outta your stack to another player at the table?(to keep the game running at full speed)

I think its a bit different, the money IS staying on the table. I'd always ask the whole table and make sure everyone is ok with it before hand though.

Icarus152

You don't have to buy in short to "rathole" or "go south".

It can mean anything from cashing in some of your chips and sitting back at the table with the lesser amount, to putting chips in your pocket on the quiet.

Usually there will be a rule to stop players leaving and rejoining a table within a certain timeframe with a smaller amount of chips then they got up with.

Re:Lending/passing money,this becomes a problem if it happens during a hand,DUCY?

NickyOD

stevire wrote: »

I've seen it myself occasionally but never wanted to make a scene so just kept my mouth shut....

Here's your problem obviously. What do you think posting about it on a forum is going to achieve?

Speak up when it happens or forever hold your peace imo. I sure as hell wouldn't tolerate anywhere.

mdwexford

Its a problem at any stage, id always object to money being passed on the table.

Unless its between drunk droolers or something and i want them both to stay in the game.

a147pro

presumably the alternative is he takes all his money off though? I rarely play cash but wouldn't have thought this was a problem until reading this thread

stevire

NickyOD wrote: »

Here's your problem obviously. What do you think posting about it on a forum is going to achieve?

Speak up when it happens or forever hold your peace imo. I sure as hell wouldn't tolerate anywhere.

I think it'll make more people aware of the behaviours that exist in card rooms. I think its the job of the card room manager to be on the lookout for these sort of activities, and the job of a dealer to make the card room manager aware.

I would never make a scene over it, and speak up at a table where I would accuse someone of cheating. I think the most a player can do is tell the card room manager, its his decision what to do after that.

cardshark202

stevire wrote: »

I think it'll make more people aware of the behaviours that exist in card rooms. I think its the job of the card room manager to be on the lookout for these sort of activities, and the job of a dealer to make the card room manager aware.

I would never make a scene over it, and speak up at a table where I would accuse someone of cheating. I think the most a player can do is tell the card room manager, its his decision what to do after that.

wtf if you clearly see a player going south, speak up about it. Don't moan afterwards when its no use.

JimmyCrackCorn!

Is it ok to have half your chips on the table go bust then pull another 25 out of ur arse pocket in chips.

because iv done that and if its rude sorry.

NickyOD

stevire wrote: »

I think it'll make more people aware of the behaviours that exist in card rooms. I think its the job of the card room manager to be on the lookout for these sort of activities, and the job of a dealer to make the card room manager aware.

I would never make a scene over it, and speak up at a table where I would accuse someone of cheating. I think the most a player can do is tell the card room manager, its his decision what to do after that.

Did you actually say anything to the cardroom manager? How do you expect him to keep an eye on every players chips?

stevire

NickyOD wrote: »

Did you actually say anything to the cardroom manager? How do you expect him to keep an eye on every players chips?

No I didn't, I knew the player in question and brought it up another day... He said it was standard and that everyone was doing it. I disagreed, told him it was bad form etc etc. He continued to protest how everyone does it and its the done thing.

Anything I said he just disagreed with, thats the reason I came on here. Not to complain or moan, but to get others views on this issue...

tylerdurden94

JimmyCrackCorn! wrote: »

Is it ok to have half your chips on the table go bust then pull another 25 out of ur arse pocket in chips.

because iv done that and if its rude sorry.

People never have a problem when adding money to the table

Mr.Plough

I went south last week. I was locked and it was someone elses stack though

Benglian

I spent a few weeks playing in Brisbane, Australia recently, and it is rampant there. This is because virtually every poker rule is decided by actual government regulations and of course the Govt. have got it wrong. So, the cardrooms are powerless to stop people doing this as it is 'legally' a players right...
The first night I was there I saw a very lucky player bin black after black when they hit a couple of big pots, and actually raised the issue.
It is 'frowned upon' but there's nothing anyone can do...
I was actually in a $100 buy-in game where a player binned winnings down to the $100 buy-in EVERY time they won, even if it was just $10 or so. Admittedly this got the whole tables back up and everyone went out to bust her, but there was no actual written rule that she was contravening.
This is what happens when regulatory bodies get involved with the fine points of games they know nothing about...

gargle

example...well known character from the fitz borrows 150 from friend,cashes in and sits at table with 150..very first hand,straddle and he raises..fold to the straddler who reraises this well known character lifts his chips and moves all in,dealer counts and would you believe he has only 100,nobody kops it at first and he shows over AA:eek::eek::eek:

surely there should be a diff name on this action

pretty funny tho i thought at the time:D:D:D

BloodyDeath

was playin at a table down the country last week. a fella takes me for 105 and then says to his mate here i owe u a ton. no probs, tell ur man puts it in his pocket. dealer or non of the other players say outh i wasnt a reg i made a comment but to no avail.

but sure, such is such