How Did Adam & Eve's Kids Have Kids?

weird

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgfyVZEHcLQ

pts

According to this fine lady a bit of incest sorted that problem out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFkeKKszXTw

it's a funny video btw, well worth a watch.

corglass

Sick!

Sam Vimes

Simple. Adam locked Eve, Cane and Able in his basement and forced them all to have sex with each other so we're all the incestuous offspring of the original Josef Fritzl

MrPudding

Guys, it is quite simple. Adam and Eve were perfect, genetically speaking. So there children were also genetically perfect. As they were genetically perfect they were able to breed without fear of genetic mutation, though it is still fairly creepy.

Obviously mans inherent wickedness, which caused the fall, allowed the genetic perfection to be corrupted which accounts for why we can't breed with our siblings anymore.

Seriously guys, all this stuff is in the bible.

MrP

corglass

Or it never actually happened?

stevejazzx

MrPudding wrote: »

Guys, it is quite simple. Adam and Eve were perfect, genetically speaking. So there children were also genetically perfect. As they were genetically perfect they were able to breed without fear of genetic mutation, though it is still fairly creepy.

Obviously mans inherent wickedness, which caused the fall, allowed the genetic perfection to be corrupted which accounts for why we can't breed with our siblings anymore.

Seriously guys, all this stuff is in the bible.

MrP

I think they mean how did two boys have a child rather than just simple incest?

It's fairly obvious that one of the boys had his mother at some stage. Complicated stuff, religion.

kiffer

stevejazzx wrote: »

I think they mean how did two boys have a child rather than just simple incest?

It's fairly obvious that one of the boys had his mother at some stage. Complicated stuff, religion.

Don't be silly... They reproduced with their sisters... It's just that girls aren't important enough to god to record their birth... They are nameless faceless brood chambers for the seed of Adam.

That's a bit over the top...

Zombrex

I've always be interested why there isn't an answer for this in the Bible.

The ancient people who came up with these oral stories were superstitious and ignorant of things like biology but probably not that stupid that they would never pounder this question, so it is some what surprising that a more iron clad explanation didn't seep into the stories over time.

DublinWriter

MrPudding wrote: »

Guys, it is quite simple. Adam and Eve were perfect, genetically speaking. So there children were also genetically perfect. As they were genetically perfect they were able to breed without fear of genetic mutation, though it is still fairly creepy.

Obviously mans inherent wickedness, which caused the fall, allowed the genetic perfection to be corrupted which accounts for why we can't breed with our siblings anymore.

But weren't Cain and Able born after Adam and Eve were booted out of the Garden of Eden?...ergo they were already corrupted, by the logic of your argument.

Galvasean

stevejazzx wrote: »

I think they mean how did two boys have a child rather than just simple incest?

stevejazzx

Galvasean wrote: »

Are you trying to tell me that Devito knocked up Schwarzenegger? I have to see this movie!

Galvasean

stevejazzx wrote: »

Are you trying to tell me that Devito knocked up Schwarzenegger? I have to see this movie!

I forget the exact details, but I'm willing to bet whatever 'science' they try to pass off in the movie is much more sound than the reasoning we find in Genesis.

Goduznt Xzst

DublinWriter wrote: »

But weren't Cain and Able born after Adam and Eve were booted out of the Garden of Eden?...ergo they were already corrupted, by the logic of your argument.

Supposedly Christians believe that our genes got weaker with each successive generation after Adam and Eve, so being fresh from the garden Adam and Eve still had relatively perfect genes. I think I remember hearing that this was the reason why early humans could live for hundreds of years (i.e. Methuselah), and that the incest taboo only came about when we reached a level of imperfection where successive generations bred from incest would show genetic mutations and abnormalities.

Galvasean

Goduznt Xzst wrote: »

Supposedly Christians believe that our genes got weaker with each successive generation after Adam and Eve, so being fresh from the garden Adam and Eve still had relatively perfect genes. I think I remember hearing that this was the reason why early humans could live for hundreds of years (i.e. Methuselah), and that the incest taboo only came about when we reached a level of imperfection where successive generations bred from incest would show genetic mutations and abnormalities.

So basically we are evolving into the X-men?

Goduznt Xzst

Galvasean wrote: »

So basically we are evolving into the X-men?

lol... no well I was talking about why they believe incest is a taboo now and not then for Adam and Eve. In their minds incest only became something wrong when we'd reached a level of imperfection that sleeping with close relatives would lead to genetic abnormalities in our offspring.

Stercus Accidit

Hermaphrodites.

/thread.

stevejazzx

Galvasean wrote: »

I forget the exact details, but I'm willing to bet whatever 'science' they try to pass off in the movie is much more sound than the reasoning we find in Genesis.

You got me all worked about a devito-schwarzenegger sex secene!

Urizen

While it's not directly expressed, the idea is that Adam and Eve had daughters too over the 700 years or so that they were alive. So they didn't screw their mother, only their sisters. MUCH better

Myksyk

I really enjoy the contorted ends to which creationists will go to make the bible fit with modern scientific knowledge. It gets better and better. The fun thing is that we know that much more knowledge is on its way ... I just wonder what the breaking point of the biblical storytellers is. you know, will they one day go "ah fcuk it there's just no way I can twist this any further"????

CDfm

Some traditions have Adam having another partner a demon called Lillith

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilith

Zillah

CDfm wrote: »

Some traditions have Adam having another partner a demon called Lillith

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilith

So I can legitimately tell people I'm descended from a Mesopotamian Storm Demon?

Awesome.

Like, I was already telling people that but now it's for real.

smcgiff

Myksyk wrote: »

I really enjoy the contorted ends to which creationists will go to make the bible fit with modern scientific knowledge.

+1

MrPudding wrote: »

Guys, it is quite simple. Adam and Eve were perfect, genetically speaking. So there children were also genetically perfect. As they were genetically perfect they were able to breed without fear of genetic mutation, though it is still fairly creepy.

Obviously mans inherent wickedness, which caused the fall, allowed the genetic perfection to be corrupted which accounts for why we can't breed with our siblings anymore.

Seriously guys, all this stuff is in the bible.

MrP

Eh! The bible talked about perfect genetics and the concept of genes? I know I dozed off any time I attempted to read the bible (and your man begat your other man etc...), but I obviously missed these bits.

Carpo

smcgiff wrote: »

Eh! The bible talked about perfect genetics and the concept of genes? I know I dozed off any time I attempted to read the bible (and your man begat your other man etc...), but I obviously missed these bits.

I think you need one of these (though to be fair, with creationists muddying the water its often hard to tell without specialist equipment)

smcgiff

Carpo wrote: »

I think you need one of these (though to be fair, with creationists muddying the water its often hard to tell without specialist equipment)

That's it - I wasn't 100% sure you were being serious, so thought I'd better out you just in case!

ChocolateSauce

Isn't it obvious? Binary fission!

Max Power1

corglass wrote: »

Or it never actually happened?

Nailed it

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Dades

Max Power1 wrote: »

/thread

Don't tempt me. :P

lostexpectation

CDfm wrote: »

Some traditions have Adam having another partner a demon called Lillith

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilith

hubah hubah

CDfm

Zillah wrote: »

So I can legitimately tell people I'm descended from a Mesopotamian Storm Demon?

Awesome.

Like, I was already telling people that but now it's for real.

Yup there goes there goes the neighbourhood



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naamah_(demon)

In Genesis 4:22, the NIV states: “Lamech married two women, one named Adah and the other Zillah…. Zillah also had a son, Tubal-Cain, who forged all kinds of tools out of bronze and iron. Tubal-Cain's sister was Naamah.”[1] Although this Lamech is said to be a descendant of Cain, he has sometimes been confused with Lamech among the descendants of Seth, an ancestor of Noah.

Zillah

^ That one I knew about!

Yes I'm aware it is traditionally a female name, but it's old and obscure enough to do anything I want with.

CDfm

Zillah wrote: »

^ That one I knew about!

Yes I'm aware it is traditionally a female name, but it's old and obscure enough to do anything I want with.

Godzillah but the God is always silent.

Angels and demons are androgynous and dont have a gender.

In Mel Gibsons the Passion of the Christ Satan was played by the Italian Actress Rosalinda Celentano with a shaven head for that reason.

Zillah

CDfm wrote: »

Angels and demons are androgynous and dont have a gender.

Zillah was Lamech's human wife, no?

CDfm

Zillah wrote: »

Zillah was Lamech's human wife, no?

Yes.But there is a bit of demon there if I am not mistaken.

There is a Torah of Zillah apparently and here is a quote from a translation you might like

" And be not as salesmen for YHWHs word"

http://www.jacksonsnyder.com/arc/pdf/Torah-of-Zillah-122507.pdf

Coriolanus

I thought Lilith had a bunch of kids with an angel? Or was that just in the comic <<

ShooterSF

Goduznt Xzst wrote: »

Supposedly Christians believe that our genes got weaker with each successive generation after Adam and Eve, so being fresh from the garden Adam and Eve still had relatively perfect genes. I think I remember hearing that this was the reason why early humans could live for hundreds of years (i.e. Methuselah), and that the incest taboo only came about when we reached a level of imperfection where successive generations bred from incest would show genetic mutations and abnormalities.

If that was the reasoning does that not mean early christians discovered evolution? :eek:

ChocolateSauce

ShooterSF wrote: »

If that was the reasoning does that not mean early christians discovered evolution? :eek:

No, a scientist had to tell them what genes were first. :pac:

Húrin

Wicknight wrote: »

I've always be interested why there isn't an answer for this in the Bible.

The ancient people who came up with these oral stories were superstitious and ignorant of things like biology but probably not that stupid that they would never pounder this question, so it is some what surprising that a more iron clad explanation didn't seep into the stories over time.

It's bloody weird innit? I would take it as evidence that their culture was much less literalist than ours. They didn't read the creation myth literally so it didn't matter much to them that this detail was missing.

Zillah

Húrin wrote: »

It's bloody weird innit? I would take it as evidence that their culture was much less literalist than ours. They didn't read the creation myth literally so it didn't matter much to them that this detail was missing.

Oh right, so the reason they're constantly wrong isn't that they're wrong...it's because their culture is "less literalist" than ours.

CDfm

Noah was a wild man after a few drinks. After the flood he planted a vinyard.

given the ark etc wouldnt that make noahs sons the "fathers" of humanity so isnt that the starting point??