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South Africa V NZ Tri-Nations game predictions?

  • 24-07-2009 10:06am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,314 ✭✭✭


    Just wondering what anyone thinks is going to happen on Saturday?

    Bar NZs win in Cape Town last year they've been very close, and I think it will be the same tomorrow. South Africa will probably come out of the blocks faster, but I think NZ will kill the game off and win in the last 20 as they did last week. Peter de Villiers has some fantastic players, but I dont think he is anywhere near as smart as G Henry.

    Anyway, just wondering what anyone else thinks.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,025 ✭✭✭d'Oracle


    The rucks will be great.

    I am picking SA by a tight margin.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,314 ✭✭✭CardinalJ


    d'Oracle wrote: »
    The rucks will be great.

    I am picking SA by a tight margin.

    Oh the rucks are going to be huge. Id say there will be a bit of fistycuffs as well.

    Looking forward to Heinrich Brussow against McCaw and also Thorn V Botha.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    CardinalJ wrote: »
    Peter de Villiers has some fantastic players, but I dont think he is anywhere near as smart as G Henry.

    Declan Kidney has more brains than those two eejits put together imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Noffles


    Declan Kidney has more brains than those two eejits put together imo.

    Think the thread was to see peoples predictions on the tri nations game on Saturday... not who has the most intellectual coach... and especially ones not even involved in the tri nations...........

    Personally I think the Boks will take it but it'll be a hellish game!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭colman1212


    Time is kick off irish time??


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7 horse and cart


    Boks win 5-10 point margin. Broussouw man of the match


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,314 ✭✭✭CardinalJ


    colman1212 wrote: »
    Time is kick off irish time??

    I'm fairly sure its 4pm kick off. Looking forward to it!!:)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,783 ✭✭✭handsomecake


    new zealand by 12 +


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 625 ✭✭✭theKramer


    Kickoff 4pm Irish time.
    Interesting article in the Irish Times related to this match, with a little bit of history thrown in: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2009/0722/1224251064108.html


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 654 ✭✭✭Amabokke


    Springboks should win this one. They are just the better team at the end of the day. Quality AB players but this is the last trophy for the boks to tick boxes for all trophies won before half the team emmigrate to lend a helping hand in Europe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,855 ✭✭✭pappyodaniel


    CardinalJ wrote: »
    Oh the rucks are going to be huge. Id say there will be a bit of fistycuffs as well.

    Looking forward to Heinrich Brussow against McCaw and also Thorn V Botha.

    Fact. It's gonna be a case of who can get away with the most illegal activity, Brussow is one of the most frustrating rugby players around at the moment, his destruction at the break down is immense, he's a cute whore. Good to see Botha back from his suspension as i didn't agree with the punishment, i recall Cian Healy taking out Dowling in the HC semi and getting yellow. It seemed a worse offence yet Munster didn't cite, and rightly so.
    I think the Boks with home advantage should win and i predict a very close tri nations with few points between them and the end of the competition.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,817 ✭✭✭corny


    New Zealand by more than a score.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,416 ✭✭✭chupacabra


    Looking forward to this now. Should be a monumental battle between the Open sides. And FINALLY South Africa have their perfect center pairing, only to have it torn away from them when the series is over :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 654 ✭✭✭Amabokke


    chupacabra wrote: »
    And FINALLY South Africa have their perfect center pairing, only to have it torn away from them when the series is over :pac:

    I believe Fourie might now be going to Cape Town instead so not total loss. De Villiers might only be away for 1 season so hopefully it's just temp.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,249 ✭✭✭Stev_o


    SA Union still crooked enough to have a black man sing the opposition anthem and then a white pair to sing the SA national anthem, some things never change.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,690 ✭✭✭Whyner


    Stev_o wrote: »
    SA Union still crooked enough to have a black man sing the opposition anthem and then a white pair to sing the SA national anthem, some things never change.

    Always someone moaning


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,249 ✭✭✭Stev_o


    What was the logic in dropping Cowan for Leonard? Having a shocker as per usual in the black colours. NZ need to sort the lineout quick and start getting some phases together, hell id put on McAllister at this stage as Donald simply ain't up for this sort of rugby.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,416 ✭✭✭chupacabra


    Stev_o wrote: »
    SA Union still crooked enough to have a black man sing the opposition anthem and then a white pair to sing the SA national anthem, some things never change.

    What? That quartet often sing the home national anthems for south africa... you are reading into this way too much.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,249 ✭✭✭Stev_o


    chupacabra wrote: »
    What? That quartet often sing the home national anthems for south africa... you are reading into this way too much.

    I have yet to see a black choir sign the national anthem for SA at a rugby match, happened last year too. Maybe i am maybe im not but tell me then when is the last time that it's been done the other way around because i certainly can't remember.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,249 ✭✭✭Stev_o


    Brilliant try for NZ. First time they'v tried to avoid contact and it earns them a try. Need to get out of the Boks gameplan of just trying to out muscle them and start trying to move the ball around.


  • Site Banned Posts: 5,676 ✭✭✭jayteecork


    How the hell did Alain Rolland get the World Cup final?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,249 ✭✭✭Stev_o


    Munster signing a ghost man.


  • Site Banned Posts: 5,676 ✭✭✭jayteecork


    Uh oh.
    Here comes another Christian Cullen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,327 ✭✭✭Profiler


    Stev_o wrote: »
    Munster signing a ghost man.

    Off injured now, looked at first like a serious knee injury but he limped off with no help, so hopefully nothing that will affect his ability to play for Munster.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,327 ✭✭✭Profiler


    Try S.Africa :mad:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 211 ✭✭MickTipp


    Amabokke wrote: »
    I believe Fourie might now be going to Cape Town instead so not total loss. De Villiers might only be away for 1 season so hopefully it's just temp.

    think munster have signed JDV on a 2 year contract! JDV wasnt playing too bad until he went off injured!! he is fair injury prone


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 654 ✭✭✭Amabokke


    jayteecork wrote: »
    How the hell did Alain Rolland get the World Cup final?

    I wonder. He is terrible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,249 ✭✭✭Stev_o


    Wilko mark 2 seals the game.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,327 ✭✭✭Profiler


    Amabokke wrote: »
    I wonder. He is terrible.

    I don't agree. I think he is better than any referee the Southern Hemisphere has to offer right now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,249 ✭✭✭Stev_o


    Game over, shit match hopefully things will pick up in the next week or so. Off to watch some Super League.

    @Profiler, he's Irish.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 654 ✭✭✭Amabokke


    Profiler wrote: »
    I don't agree. I think he is better than any referee the Southern Hemisphere has to offer right now.

    Based on what exactly? Im not disagreeing just interest to hear how other's see it.

    I also rate him but today there some very basic calls he did not make.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,327 ✭✭✭Profiler


    Stev_o wrote: »
    @Profiler, he's Irish.

    I know he's Irish, I saw him play AIL for Blackrock more than once and in fact the S/African commentators mentioned he was Irish more than once during the game.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,249 ✭✭✭Stev_o


    Profiler wrote: »
    I know he's Irish, I saw him play AIL for Blackrock more than once and in fact the S/African commentators mentioned he was Irish more than once during the game.

    Eugh completely misinterpretation what you said.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,327 ✭✭✭Profiler


    Amabokke wrote: »
    Based on what exactly? Im not disagreeing just interest to hear how other's see it.

    I also rate him but today there some very basic calls he did not make.

    As we all know not every referee is going to get 100% of the calls right 100% of the time. Based on watching a lot of test match rugby I think Rolland gets most things right.

    I thought Steve Walsh was great Ref and was sorry to see him leave, he was really the only Southern Hemisphere ref I rated.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,193 ✭✭✭[Jackass]


    Only caught the second half of this match...not the best game of rugby I've ever seen and the try that sealed it was shocking, but good win for SA, never looked under too much pressure, NZ weren't great.

    JDV was average enough and picked up an injury, nothing too serious though I don't think, was able to hobble off the field anyway.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 211 ✭✭MickTipp


    any news on JDV's injury??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,855 ✭✭✭pappyodaniel


    Stev_o wrote: »
    SA Union still crooked enough to have a black man sing the opposition anthem and then a white pair to sing the SA national anthem, some things never change.

    Big feckin' deal, maybe the white guys were better singers, let's not make a race issue over a non-issue, it's the 80 minutes of rugby that counts, not the mascots, not the anthems or haka, just the rugby.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,855 ✭✭✭pappyodaniel


    Amabokke wrote: »
    I wonder. He is terrible.

    Most referees are terrible but at least he's consistent. There was moment in today's game where he said " Green hands away!" and the ball came back SA's side and he didn't penalise, that was my only criticism of his performance


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,727 ✭✭✭✭Sherifu


    Big feckin' deal, maybe the white guys were better singers, let's not make a race issue over a non-issue, it's the 80 minutes of rugby that counts, not the mascots, not the anthems or haka, just the rugby.
    Agreed.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    A woeful spectacle for sure! And the arrogant Springboks sail on deserved winners. Does anyone else think that Leonard makes 'Two Steps' Whitaker seem like Speedy Gonzales? Sooner or later somebody is going to bring the Boks gallop to a painful end and I am really looking forward to it! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 213 ✭✭strathspey


    Sooner or later somebody is going to bring the Boks gallop to a painful end and I am really looking forward to it! :D

    It certainly won't be Ireland, if that's what you're implying.


  • Site Banned Posts: 5,676 ✭✭✭jayteecork


    Boks are going to be hard to beat playing the way they do.

    If Steyn plays at out half instead of Pienarr they could run away with games.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    strathspey wrote: »
    It certainly won't be Ireland, if that's what you're implying.

    I wasn't implying that but perhaps you have a short memory? Roll on the 28th November! :D

    Ireland cruise past Springboks

    Irish Times Report

    Saturday, 11 November 2006 20:48

    Ireland ran riot in the first half to launch their autumn series with a crushing 32-15 victory over South Africa at Lansdowne Road.
    The Triple Crown holders entered the match as red-hot favourites and fully justified the tag with a blistering display that cut the outclassed Springboks to pieces.
    It was only their third victory over South Africa in 18 attempts and was their second in succession as tries from Andrew Trimble, David Wallace, Marcus Horan and Shane Horgan did the damage.

    At times in the first half they looked unstoppable with Trimble, Shane Horgan, Gordon D'Arcy and Brian O'Driscoll turning on the style to leave the Springboks chasing shadows.
    Ronan O'Gara controlled the game to good effect at fly-half and kicked 12 points, while up front the monster touring pack was dismantled by the Irish.
    They found less space in the second half, which saw Francois Steyn and Bryan Habana cross for South Africa, but they were already out of sight before Horgan's late try gift-wrapped the result.
    South Africa wore replicas of their original 1906 jersey, with no sponsor's logo, to commemorate a centenary of Springbok rugby, but it was not a performance to honour their proud history.
    In two personal milestones skipper John Smit equalled Garry Teichmann's record of 36 games as captain and also became the first Springbok to make 40 consecutive appearances.
    But otherwise the 28-year-old Sharks hooker - the only survivor from the 17-12 defeat in Dublin two years ago - will want to forget his side's performance as quickly as possible.
    The Springboks' experimental line-up - coach Jake White left his senior players at home - included three new caps in Bevin Fortuin, Jaco Pretorius and Steyn.
    Try-machine Habana played his first test match at outside centre and Ireland took full advantage of their opponents' lack of experience.
    It looked very different at the start, however, as breaks from Fortuin and Ricky Januarie swept South Africa deep into Irish territory before Andre Pretorius missed with a drop goal.
    But the Cats fly-half made amends by nailing a penalty moments later as the tourists capitalised on their impressive opening - only to then concede the opening try.
    Ireland surged forward and won a scrum 10 metres out, which they used to bring Andrew Trimble in from the left wing and the powerful Ulsterman burst through the Springbok midfield and crossed.
    O'Gara converted to give the home side a 7-3 lead but some poor line-out throwing from Rory Best - the only change to the side beaten by Australia in the summer - then put them under pressure.
    South Africa set off on a 10-metre rolling maul in the 18th minute but Pretorius spilt the ball forward and Ireland capitalised with a huge kick from O'Gara that pinned the tourists close to their line.
    Pretorius attempted to clear from the line-out but only found Trimble, who set up a promising move which was halted when O'Gara ran back into the forwards.
    The Munster fly-half had won a penalty, however, which he sent between the uprights.
    Trimble began the move that led to Ireland's second try in the 25th minute, with the Ulster winger breaking through several tackles before recycling.
    Quick hands saw the ball spun right where Ireland had numbers and Shane Horgan drew his man before supplying the scoring pass to David Wallace, who raced in under the posts.
    Ireland should have added their third try shortly afterwards but Horgan opted to go it alone even though Gordon D'Arcy had looped around him and was in the clear.
    D'Arcy was making ground in the midfield and one lung-busting run from Paul O'Connell drew a mighty roar from the Lansdowne Road crowd.
    Stormers centre Jean de Villiers relieved the pressure by shrugging off a tackle from O'Gara and he made 30 yards before being hauled to the ground.
    South Africa went on to win a five-metre scrum, but number eight Pierre Spies was smashed into the ground by Wallace and Denis Leamy when he broke from the back of the set-piece and Ireland were awarded a penalty.
    Horgan powered through Habana as Ireland staged a fresh attack which nearly resulted in a try for Trimble in the corner.
    Some desperate cover defence from Jaco Pretorius kept him out but the ball was kept alive and Marcus Horan surged over from close range and O'Gara converted.
    D'Arcy nearly threaded his way through as Ireland raced out of the blocks for the second half, but South Africa won a turnover and prop CJ van der Linde made an unlikely clearance.
    Pretorius missed a long-range penalty as his miserable afternoon continued and Trimble threatened in the left corner only for referee Paul Honiss to rule Brian O'Driscoll's pass forward.
    Ireland maintained the pressure, however, with Horgan charging into space and O'Gara taking the move on until Honiss penalised South Africa for interfering at the breakdown.
    O'Gara landed the penalty and when Pretorius kicked the ball out on the full they were able to launch a fresh attack which was halted when Horgan was hauled down.
    Ireland were at panic stations when Danie Roussouw burst through and Steyn crossed in the corner.
    Habana showed his finishing skills in a remarkable solo try, but Ireland crushed the fightback with a late try from Horgan and O'Gara converted to complete the victory.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,817 ✭✭✭corny


    Was disappointed with New Zealand today. Mistakes cost them dear. Uncharacteristically lacking in intensity in the first half i thought too. Leonard has to be the slowest SH ever to wear the black jersey.

    South Africa did what they do best, prey off mistakes. Their defence around the fringes and their overall physicality make them very hard to beat. A run of the mill performance today was enough so they'll be hard to beat later in the tri nations

    I felt sorry for the Ref actually. Both sides treated the breakdown as absolute free for all. Players going off their feet, not joining from the hindmost foot, hands on the ground, take your pick. Both sides were at it constantly.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    Just came across this snippet in a report on the match in The New Zealand Herald


    'They could have claimed an improbable victory with a late cohesive strike on a faltering Bok side, but substitute halfback Piri Weepu had time to roll a smoke while he waited for his teammates to regroup and the ball to come out of a ruck.
    When it arrived, his pass collected Eaton on the head and the halfback compounded the mistake as Jaques Fourie scored the test-clinching touchdown.'

    Couldn't have put it better myself. I was screaming at the TV (in an empty room - save for my rather shocked five year old - down in my local) for the ball to come back, and I couldn't believe the resulting shambles. I expect better things this Saturday. Very surprised that there weren't more watching as there is a dearth of rugby here until the Magners League/HC etc...

    Incidentally the New Zealand Herald have an excellent website and sports section with superb photographs taken during the match.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10586835


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